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[tara10825]

Does anyone know if the games in the bookies have multipule pots for each game or do the whole machines run to a precentage.

ie if someone loses £500 on the roulette, could you spin in a big win on the fruits?

Answer to your question is NO roulette runs on a different program and does not run on percentage it is 100% random with no Payout percentage.

Anyway i have just got back from holiday in not so sunny cleethorpes (Thorpe Park) and i was in a arcade on seafront were Rainbow riches was still on and working with £2 spin and progressive win i said to the guy in the arcade that its illegal to have that machine on and he said he does not care he has been told by his boss to turn it on so he does as he is told,anyway i put £40 in and got silver pot for £231 so was happy but i belive it should not be turned on.Correct me if i am wrong.

[roderz]

Does anyone actually have the new "rules" that machines have to stick to now then or is it all behind closed doors ?

Is there anywhere joe public can get hold of the do's and dont's of the new changes

Like repeat chances , pot wins , streaks , inhanced play etc etc ?


Just curious

New standards are here.......
Gaming Machine Technical Standards · Gambling Commission
Look at links on the right, the CAT C is the normal £35 jp machines

[CoasterDesignerpro]

Answer to your question is NO roulette runs on a different program and does not run on percentage it is 100% random with no Payout percentage.

Anyway i have just got back from holiday in not so sunny cleethorpes (Thorpe Park) and i was in a arcade on seafront were Rainbow riches was still on and working with £2 spin and progressive win i said to the guy in the arcade that its illegal to have that machine on and he said he does not care he has been told by his boss to turn it on so he does as he is told,anyway i put £40 in and got silver pot for £231 so was happy but i belive it should not be turned on.Correct me if i am wrong.

Tara,

The machine should NOT be switched on, to have ANY section 16/21 machine on after Sept 1st is considered an offence and there are high penalties, one (most likely) being losing their premises licence; which essentially means permenent closure of the gaming centre.

[fruitman69]

New standards are here.......
Gaming Machine Technical Standards · Gambling Commission
Look at links on the right, the CAT C is the normal £35 jp machines

Cheers thats exactly what i was looking for

[mrmystery83]

Tara,

The machine should NOT be switched on, to have ANY section 16/21 machine on after Sept 1st is considered an offence and there are high penalties, one (most likely) being losing their premises licence; which essentially means permenent closure of the gaming centre.

So, as i said in my earlier post in this thread, are they getting around the ruling by only switching them on by request? Surely that's still breaking the law but they do have signs displayed to let people know. Must be a loophole. Referring to an arcade near me btw. Anyone else have arcades near them that are doing that?

[regvera]

Roulette in the bookies is controlled by a percentage.

The number is only as random as the percentage of any given machine will allow at the time of any one spin. (If that makes any sense)

Basically, if a machine is hot - ie: way over it's AVERAGE percentage (It tells you average percentage on the machine if you flick through the screens) you could put £10 on only 1 number and nothing else and it will come in. Equally, if it is on the take - you can cover every number bar 1 - and hey presto!

These machines are fairly murky in terms of how they work, but they are pretty much fancy fruit machines with bigger stakes and bigger potential winnings/losses.

If you look at all the games a Coral bookies has - the average percentage will be diff for each game and from bookie firm to bookie firm - I believe Corals are the worst average percentage for Roulette of the big 3.

What is very mystifying is that the average is worked out (and this is what it says on the machine screen) on a "best play strategy" - now what the hell does that mean?!

There is so little info on FOBT's, but I can guarantee you they are the new cocaine. They are and will be the main (gambling) reason more and more lives will be wrecked over the coming decades. The bookies have somehow managed to get poker and blackjack on them as well (along with the £500 fruities you have mentioned.)

Reg

[Richard]

what a load of rubbish reg, bookies roulette are random - there's no question about it, it's a fact. The same goes for £500 b3/s16 machines

[tara10825]

Roulette in the bookies is controlled by a percentage.

The number is only as random as the percentage of any given machine will allow at the time of any one spin. (If that makes any sense)

Basically, if a machine is hot - ie: way over it's AVERAGE percentage (It tells you average percentage on the machine if you flick through the screens) you could put £10 on only 1 number and nothing else and it will come in. Equally, if it is on the take - you can cover every number bar 1 - and hey presto!

These machines are fairly murky in terms of how they work, but they are pretty much fancy fruit machines with bigger stakes and bigger potential winnings/losses.

If you look at all the games a Coral bookies has - the average percentage will be diff for each game and from bookie firm to bookie firm - I believe Corals are the worst average percentage for Roulette of the big 3.

What is very mystifying is that the average is worked out (and this is what it says on the machine screen) on a "best play strategy" - now what the hell does that mean?!

There is so little info on FOBT's, but I can guarantee you they are the new cocaine. They are and will be the main (gambling) reason more and more lives will be wrecked over the coming decades. The bookies have somehow managed to get poker and blackjack on them as well (along with the £500 fruities you have mentioned.)

Reg

I belive you are wrong the machine and the RNG are totaly seperate the number is picked by a third party company who has in no way the ability to see the machines percentage to pick the number hence and the machine is 100% random no Percentage payout at all.
Correct me if i am wrong.

[Richard]

you are right, amazing how stupid people are to still beleive these aren't random - probably bitter people who have lost a load and want to think it's something other than the fact that roulette is a house game with an edge, and they haven't been lucky enough to beat it

[TheMission]

what a load of rubbish reg, bookies roulette are random - there's no question about it, it's a fact. The same goes for £500 b3/s16 machines

You're only partially correct with regard to the (now defunct) S16s and new B3s: S16s had to be random - B3s can be random or compensated.

[jaybee]

Looks like the new regs about only 4 £500 machines on have not hit here in Scarborough.

I have been in 5 acrades, although the machines have now been converted to B3, there was one acrade with 9 machines in play.

The best ones was the arcade that have not converted the machines but have set the stake to £1 and taped up the change stake button!

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[tara10825]

Looks like the new regs about only 4 £500 machines on have not hit here in Scarborough.

I have been in 5 acrades, although the machines have now been converted to B3, there was one acrade with 9 machines in play.

The best ones was the arcade that have not converted the machines but have set the stake to £1 and taped up the change stake button!

I'll attach pictures in a bit...

They can tape up the change stake button all they want its still illegal as you can just hit max stake on screen and play £2 report them teh are idiots.

[lincs1]

Looks like the new regs about only 4 £500 machines on have not hit here in Scarborough.

I have been in 5 acrades, although the machines have now been converted to B3, there was one acrade with 9 machines in play.

The best ones was the arcade that have not converted the machines but have set the stake to £1 and taped up the change stake button!

is it james corrigans and olympia there about the 2 best arcades in scarborough.

reminds me i must get round to contacting james corrigan as i wanna take his mrs out!! lol


vicki is a stunning blonde... with big hands

[No1Stoney]

Looks like the new regs about only 4 £500 machines on have not hit here in Scarborough.

I have been in 5 acrades, although the machines have now been converted to B3, there was one acrade with 9 machines in play.

The best ones was the arcade that have not converted the machines but have set the stake to £1 and taped up the change stake button!

I'll attach pictures in a bit...

Arcades can house upto 4 B3 machines in every SECTION. the loophole being is they divde the arcade into sections (that dont lead to one another) and place 4 in each "section" all the arcades here in skegness have done this

-No1Stoney

[regvera]

Right, don't mean to sound narky, but....

If those of you who don't play FOBT'S go and PLAY one - and LOOK at the screen -it will TELL you the percentage - because it has to by law. Just the same way I can walk up to the manager of the betting shop (which I did last week) and ask him what the percentage is - even if he prefers to do direct me to the FOBT screen.

I don't gamble online - but are internet casinos completley random?

Is their percentage random?

The FOBT's percentage is not subject to "random" numbers....well, only as random as does it want to pay you (and how much) at the time of your spin? ie: Yes/No - £ amount.

Some threads on FOBT percentages... (sorry for length of link)

Do online casinos cheat you? - Gambling.co.uk Forum

The Racing Forum


Reg

[roderz]

They can tape up the change stake button all they want its still illegal as you can just hit max stake on screen and play £2 report them teh are idiots.

I know I'll propably have the Astra fafia on my back for this but at £1200 a time for upgrades .........

What they should have done (if its an astra machine) is open a file called "reels.lua" then look for the section that contains the word "LineSelections" and change any number 20's to 10's,
Then even if you hit max bet on screen or the 20 win lines button it will only give you 10 win lines tada it now legal !!!! and saved £1200
Although it will only pay £250 max - but saves buying a clubber!!

Also for anyone else who's interested - open the file "config.lua" in note pad and set "Scampi = 0" and "Shell = 0" and it will now run any pc

Who needs an emulator when you can run the real thing !! works on slotto and reels king as well....

Sorry astra but I think you been ripping people off!

[tara10825]

Right, don't mean to sound narky, but....

If those of you who don't play FOBT'S go and PLAY one - and LOOK at the screen -it will TELL you the percentage - because it has to by law. Just the same way I can walk up to the manager of the betting shop (which I did last week) and ask him what the percentage is - even if he prefers to do direct me to the FOBT screen.

I don't gamble online - but are internet casinos completley random?

Is their percentage random?

The FOBT's percentage is not subject to "random" numbers....well, only as random as does it want to pay you (and how much) at the time of your spin? ie: Yes/No - £ amount.

Some threads on FOBT percentages... (sorry for length of link)

Do online casinos cheat you? - Gambling.co.uk Forum

The Racing Forum


Reg

The fruit machines on FOBTS have percentage on them but i stress to you that the roulette on a FOBT does not have a percentage it is 110%random case closed.

[regvera]

Tara,

You actually need to read my previous post.

Just go and look at an FOBT ffs it will TELL YOU the percentage on the ROULETTE.

There is an argument that no "random number generator" is actually random.

There is another link re this subject which I will post on here if I can be
arsed...but you prob won't be arsed to read it, anyway.

FOBT's play hot and cold - just like a frutie - it decides how much it can pay on each given spin which comes from the central computer from companies such as:

The Global Draw

A FOBT can say that it pays 97.3 percent (which I think is the average on a real casino wheel over a set no of spins?)

But that is ON AVERAGE - ie: it can suck one time and drop a load another time.

Wow - doesn't that sound familiar Mr Fruit Machine Player?

Also, FOBT's can pay upto £10,000 - then you have to collect - anyone know anyone, or even heard of anyone who has got near that amount?

Why not? Surely if it is random someone would? There are plenty of people out there playing £100 per spin.

Also - you can press the "spin" button on 2 terminals at exactly the same time and get diff numbers on both (fact) - because the stake/potential payout affects the result (just mho)

Ok, all done and dusted. Now,the only thing truly closed is your head, Tara - try filling it up with knowledge instead of prime cut bollocks.

Reggiepoos

[tara10825]

Tara,

You actually need to read my previous post.

Just go and look at an FOBT ffs it will TELL YOU the percentage on the ROULETTE.

There is an argument that no "random number generator" is actually random.

There is another link re this subject which I will post on here if I can be
arsed...but you prob won't be arsed to read it, anyway.

FOBT's play hot and cold - just like a frutie - it decides how much it can pay on each given spin which comes from the central computer from companies such as:

The Global Draw

A FOBT can say that it pays 97.3 percent (which I think is the average on a real casino wheel over a set no of spins?)

But that is ON AVERAGE - ie: it can suck one time and drop a load another time.

Wow - doesn't that sound familiar Mr Fruit Machine Player?

Also, FOBT's can pay upto £10,000 - then you have to collect - anyone know anyone, or even heard of anyone who has got near that amount?

Why not? Surely if it is random someone would? There are plenty of people out there playing £100 per spin.

Also - you can press the "spin" button on 2 terminals at exactly the same time and get diff numbers on both (fact) - because the stake/potential payout affects the result (just mho)

Ok, all done and dusted. Now,the only thing truly closed is your head, Tara - try filling it up with knowledge instead of prime cut bollocks.

Reggiepoos

The only bollocks that are prime cut are yours if insult me anymore you muppet.

[emulator]

Arcades can house upto 4 B3 machines in every SECTION. the loophole being is they divde the arcade into sections (that dont lead to one another) and place 4 in each "section" all the arcades here in skegness have done this

-No1Stoney

went to southend last weekend and all of the b3's were switched off with a notice to apply for an adult gaming licence. i would persume any arcade wanting these in there arcade over 18 section would also need that.....