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If people want to gain from my works then they have had all they will get, unless a safe way for me to prevent someone profiting from my free work comes about you will not see another sausage from me.

Woo! Pandy quits the scene! What's that, the fiftieth time now?

You know what would be good? If just once you actually addressed the issues people have raised - such as the fact that the FME scene has lost countless download sites and forums due to the cost of bandwidth, and every CD sold saves hundreds and hundreds of megs of bandwidth - instead of just repeating your usual deaf-eared dogma.

Or just why it rips you up so much that someone makes a tiny little profit by providing a useful service which harms nobody.

[hurtand165]

harms nobody[/b'].

why do people not understand that we layout designers know the so called "useful service" will save bandwidth and are not disputing that overused point, we are only bothered by the fact that we are putting our time, effort and sometimes money into providing layouts for you people only to have a select few then sell our work just to make a profit.

i would not be bothered if duplu and wozza started selling fme discs to help cover the cost of the bandwidth, as i am sure handsome_rob would not, but i do get annoyed when i see people selling our work for their own selfish reasons.

[Jez_Shaw]

...we are only bothered by the fact that we are putting our time, effort and sometimes money into providing layouts for you people only to have a select few then sell our work just to make a profit.

I couldn't agree more. Surely this is the whole point of the argument. People are making money off the backs of others. Furthermore, from the tone of this thread, I suspect the perpetrators are not even having the decency to seek the layout creator's permission before doing so.

Irrespective of the legalities of the situation, big corporations, be it Sony, Bellfruit or Barcrest do not tend to bother pursuing people unless it starts adversely affecting their business either in the purse or in the media. The prime example of this is the Empire situation. It could get worse if somebody develops an MPU5 or Epoch emulator, and current machines start being emulated.

[Scmooster]

Whilst it is sad, it's also a fact of life. Everything gets ripped, from clothes to software, and just about everything else worth anything to anyone. If the likes of Microsoft can do little about it then I don't see what can be done here. For the layout designers who wanna pull the plug all I can say is, it's a shame to lose anyone so talented, but there are people joining the ranks every day, I don't think we're gonna lose anything here, really I don't.

Not to say I condone it though, it pisses me right off infact to see you guys and your efforts being abused in this way, I just don't think there's anything positive can be done apart from making people aware that they are free, but this doesn't stop someone trying to 'save people time and money' by offering them on disk. Some people may actually benefit from this in the end, the only way I can see to hurt that is to offer the disks here, at your expense obviously. It's a no winner.

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why do people not understand that we layout designers know the so called "useful service" will save bandwidth and are not disputing that overused point, we are only bothered by the fact that we are putting our time, effort and sometimes money into providing layouts for you people only to have a select few then sell our work just to make a profit.

i would not be bothered if duplu and wozza started selling fme discs to help cover the cost of the bandwidth, as i am sure handsome_rob would not, but i do get annoyed when i see people selling our work for their own selfish reasons.

But nobody can explain why. Making money out of other people's work is the cornerstone of the entire economy of the Western world. It's the core philosophy of our entire way of life. These people are doing it on a TINY scale, with clear benefits to both their customers and the FME scene as a whole. Everybody wins. All these objections are nothing but blind, mean-spirited dogma, with absolutely no basis in common-sense reality.

Everybody goes "Oh, but somebody could do it for free, and we could all tell everybody about it and get eBay auctions pulled and everything", but nobody bothers their arse to DO those things, for the very good reason that it would be a stupid waste of time. Yet they still whine about it endlessly on forums. Sheesh.

Either put up (ie make your own FME CDs and offer them on eBay for postage and media costs alone, which will GUARANTEE the sellers are screwed, because who's going to pay a fiver for something they could get for 50p?) or shut up. If you're not prepared to take action, you have no right whatsoever to whine about it.

[lincs leisure R us]

wow i c my last topic reply WAS removed whats the matter TRUTH HURTS DOES IT

and i can spell i was in a rush as i do have a buisness to run

[Pgamblin]

Jesus FW whats your problem...

Ok so you can attempt to stop them, we may never succeed but its working as we know from a recent reply from Ebay about removing the auctioned items.

If we keep complaining then even if it removed 5/10 that are on the board thats a 50% sucsess rate and less people flogging stuff for a cost which the original designers dont see.

I think that if it was done from this site then the proceeds could go to keeping the server up to date and the cost of bandwidth... Cds are not that expensive anymore so why not create an auction on Ebay just promoting this site. Call it Fruit machines for free or something like that and then point them to this site. If Ebay are not going to remove all the current cd's available then like you said why not beat the competition and offer them for nothing but instead of the cd point them here......

Wozza , Duplu would this be worth progressing or would it be a waste of time......

[hurtand165]

what do you mean by nobody can explain why f***#@#@#@#.

if you mean we cannot explain why we are pissed off at the people who sell our work for profit then you are talking crap, we have explained that we work on our layouts for people to enjoy and keep the memory of the older machines alive and not so people can sell them for profit we will never see.

why are you even posting in this topic, because as far as i know you are not a layout designer and can not understand our point of view. and because of that all your posts seem like they are just there to stir up trouble.

why do you post statements just to provoke people?

i ask this as it seems that is all you ever do, it does not matter what the subject is you always seem to want to argue.

if that is the case try using fruit forums, people on that site are much more willing to argue.

[fruitymad2003]

Hurtand165 wrote:

and because of that all your posts seem like they are just there to stir up trouble.

Couldnt agree more hurtand165.
All your post do FW is stir up trouble and i think that this is your aim on these foums.
If this is then please dont use these foums.
These forums are friendly forums and offer free help to people who need it the most and want to run emulations read my post when i just started.
Look at FMEIW everyone was happy with that and then you came along and started something that was probably your fault any way.

In future read previous posts before you type

[lincs leisure R us]

try stopping all your nagging over NOTHING then u won't rub people's backs up.

the more u agrevate people then the more they will argue.

hope me spelling's right :twisted: this time

[duplu]

Wozza , Duplu would this be worth progressing or would it be a waste of time......

Personally I don't have the time to do this what with part managing the site, managing the server and my 4 year old. I did however think it was a good idea. I think someone needs to distribute a disk at minimum cost (covering their own costs of course : disk+postage+e-bay fees) and then also advertise all the FME sites on the disk for further downloads. The advert could be worded in such a way as to rubbish the other auctions.

To answer FW continual bandwidth whinges - since the site moved servers there are no bandwidth problems. In fact we have enough bandwidth to DoS a small country. So I have no problem with more people downloading layouts.

For those that would still like all the layouts on disks then they can contact Troutman who provides an excellent service where no money every changes hands.

[duplu]

wow i c my last topic reply WAS removed whats the matter TRUTH HURTS DOES IT

and i can spell i was in a rush as i do have a buisness to run

Your post was removed because it violated the rules of the forum in which it was posted.

[duplu]

I've just received an e-mail from an anonymous source that says that one of the sellers is justifying selling the disks at an inflated price because he has written an installation wizard which automatically installs all of the emulators!

Now I wonder where he downloaded that from?

I know who it is and he won't be downloading anything else, in fact he now can't even access the site

Please don't PM me and ask me who it is, the user in question has never posted anything on the forums, and now never will.

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So nobody can answer the question, then?

Oh, and I do make layouts, I've made dozens. Do I care if somebody makes a piddly couple of quid selling them to people who don't have the time or the capacity to download hundreds of megs of files? Not a bit. All I'm looking for is a sane explanation of why a few people here do, and make such a big whiny fuss about it when it'd be quicker, easier and VASTLY more effective just to advertise free ones on eBay yourself and put these people right out of business.

But I guess it's a lot easier just to whinge than it is to do something constructive.

[RB]

its a shame at how easy it is for a thread to degenerate into childish name calling and baiting...



RB

[handsome_rob]

You know what would be good? If just once you actually addressed the issues people have raised - useful service which harms nobody.

how about you try to do the same?

go on then, chop chop

[Pgamblin]

Duplu

What i meant rather than sending out this cd is to make up an auction on ebay saying that 1000+ fruit machine games for your pc and put the price as 1p. You will get people looking into the post and in the auction type in go to http://www.fruit-emu.com for 1000+ FREE TO DOWNLOAD Fruit machine emulation software. No Purchase Required only a free Account sign up...

You could keep the auction open as long as possible and im sure it will make these people advertising these cd's for £5 realise they now have competition...

Is it worth a try ?

I dont have a seller's ebay account so i cant do it but maybe anyone else out there does ?

As for FW i know you dont mind that people profit from any layouts you have done but think about it in a sense where if you were selling them for £5 a time would you not be pissed if someone else was doing the same for your work ? they are getting the money not you....

If you offered a Unique service which came at some cost to you (even if it was just your own free time) would you be grateful to receive credit even money back for your work ? Lets say someone else offers the same service for whatever price but they are using your own idea / creation to make profit for it... This profit could be yours and used to keep the site up and running plus any other costs you may come accross....

[handsome_rob]

Duplu

What i meant rather than sending out this cd is to make up an auction on ebay saying that 1000+ fruit machine games for your pc and put the price as 1p. You will get people looking into the post and in the auction type in go to http://www.fruit-emu.com for 1000+ FREE TO DOWNLOAD Fruit machine emulation software. No Purchase Required only a free Account sign up...

You could keep the auction open as long as possible and im sure it will make these people advertising these cd's for £5 realise they now have competition...

Is it worth a try ?

I dont have a seller's ebay account so i cant do it but maybe anyone else out there does ?

As for FW i know you dont mind that people profit from any layouts you have done but think about it in a sense where if you were selling them for £5 a time would you not be pissed if someone else was doing the same for your work ? they are getting the money not you....

If you offered a Unique service which came at some cost to you (even if it was just your own free time) would you be grateful to receive credit even money back for your work ? Lets say someone else offers the same service for whatever price but they are using your own idea / creation to make profit for it... This profit could be yours and used to keep the site up and running plus any other costs you may come accross....

To be honest that wont be necessary for long.

The emulators have now been given a copyright and its just a matter of time

[RB]

just to be the pessimist...new ebay wording...

1000 Plus Fruit machine programs for playing in free downloadable emulator....£3.99 includes the site for the free Emulator downloads and free updates..blah blah blah...buy now....Dumbass you are owned...


Option 2....

Dont want to spend hours downloading your favourite fruit machines?
The real thing just like in the pubs and arcades across the country.
Buy this cdrom containing over 1000 of your favourite fruit machines and access to free downloadable emulators enabling you to play ...etc etc etc..


Where theres a buck....theres a way


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RB