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#1 Gazeyre1966

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Posted 29 September 2008 - 09:01 PM

Right here goes!!!

Does anyone know what this actually means?...and if so, what is causing it?

I'm sick to death of hearing about it...when I was younger it was called "inflation".

Is it to do, as I think with greedy capitalist bastards? How can anyone make money off other people's assets?

Can someone please explain to me how you can "borrow" shares, make a profit off them and then give them back to whoever owned them originally?

How do Banks go bust? Why do banks borrow money from other banks?

It doesn't affect me fortunately as I'm not silly enough to plough all my cash into dodgy pension funds, invest in shares, etc.....

So come on!!!!! Someone tell me how this works? :)
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Posted 29 September 2008 - 09:18 PM

depends what price of play and jackpot the banks are set at

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Posted 29 September 2008 - 09:32 PM

Will this do to explain Gaz?

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Posted 29 September 2008 - 10:31 PM

It's a delicious new breakfast cereal.

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Posted 30 September 2008 - 12:10 AM

Its not an easy way to explain a credit crunch as such but I'll have a go at nutshelling it if a bank lend £100,000 on a house and two years in the house is repossessed its likely that the property would not be worth the amount that the lender gave to the borrower as usually the property is ripped appart and so is devalued or that the property is in a less desireable location so they go for less. Now in this case there is a shortfall on the banks investment the banks generally auction them off just to get rid as I have found out that happened in my old house in Preston a few murders and rapes put folks off oddly enough so rather than the house being worth £120,000 that the bank lent to the purchaser its worth about £80,000 now multiply this a few hundred times and you see whats happening.

As the original loan is now nullified the bank is down a lot of cash so what is happening is that the banks are lending more than they can afford to lose so are now reluctant to gamble on new applications hence the term credit crunch. Also credit cards are being taken off folks in a similar way you have the 'I got a credit card but never use it' lot having them taken off them because its a pre agreed loan that the bank can no longer cover add up the amount of unused credit cards and jees it would be a lot.

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Posted 30 September 2008 - 06:34 AM

We could be heading to one hell of a recession me thinks.

As a general rule, when a recession takes hold, governments tend to eat into cash reserves big style, usually eating it up just keeping the wheels of normality rolling. But if these cash reserves have been used to bail out banks and building societies ect... then these cash reserves will already be stretched. Once the cash reserves are gone, then governments start borrowing. And countries end up paying back these debts for years or even decades to come. Just as we did with the boom and bust times in the 80's and 90's.

The other thing also is that government borrowing is dependent on the health of the money markets. Will the government be able to borrow to help their country through any potential recession?

The great depression in the US happened due to massive recession and a collapsed money market that didn't have the ability to lend to the government.

As it stands, the difference between a third world country and a first world country is reducing at a very fast rate. If we are to borrow, we may well have to look towards China and India for help. 2 countries that we deem as 'Third World economies'.

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Posted 30 September 2008 - 06:53 AM

How do Banks go bust? Why do banks borrow money from other banks?


Banks have savers. These deposit billions with the banks. The banks use this money to generate more money by using this cash to give out mortgages and loans ect.... Eventually, the banks get close to using all the savers money. So they borrow from other financial institutions to carry on giving out mortgages. And of course these lenders need a return on their loans.

The lenders lend the money as the cash the banks use for mortgages and loans is deemed safe. The only catch is it will take 25 years for the return on a mortgage to be fulfilled. So in short, the banks aren't skint. It's just that their cash is tied up in long term financing.

Lenders then see that the money markets are doing poorly and refrain from lending to the banks. The speculators name the banks who have been refused a loan, the bank finds it difficult to continue giving out mortgages as all their cash it tied up, the public get tipped off that their bank is having difficulties, and the savers start pulling all their money out. Eventually, the bank has no more money to pay savers taking their cash elsewhere so have to call for help. Going to shareholders who are reluctant giving cash to the bank as their will be no return seeing as everyone is pulling out. The shares continue to nosedive, more savers leave the sinking ship, eventually the bank can no longer operate.

Yes, techically, the banks grind to a halt and can no longer operate due to lack of funds but remember, they have billions out their that will take 25 years to be returned from mortgages ect... Mortgages still have to be paid so whoever buys the bank, wether it be another bank or a government, will eventually get their money back although over many years.

The only real risk in all this is if a full blown recession happens and people cannot pay back their mortgages. Bad debt will take a chunk of this buyout money but when you default on a mortgage, your home will be repossessed. And with house prices heading downwards, it could be difficult to raise the cash to completely cover bad payments.

With the buyouts of Northern Rock and now Bradford and Bingley by the government, if we have a harsh recession, we could well have a situation where the state owns many thousands of once private houses when the dust clears.

With Bradford and Bingley. The government could just sit with the bank for 25 years, giving out no more mortgages, just collecting the payments. And when all is done and dusted, end up with the billions the bank started off with plus the profits for charging for finance. Pay back the taxman who bought the bank out, and have money left over. If all goes well of course. So there is the possibility that long term, the government could make money on their investment.

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Posted 30 September 2008 - 09:30 AM

We could be heading to one hell of a recession me thinks.

As a general rule, when a recession takes hold, governments tend to eat into cash reserves big style, usually eating it up just keeping the wheels of normality rolling.


We don't have any cash reserves anyway. The country is in deficit, and Golden Brown sold off the gold reserves years ago to get some quick cash; unfortunately he sold them at the bottom of the market!

As the economy has stubbornly refused to take notice of the fact that the unelected Prime Munster abolished boom and bust, we are very much headed for recession, if not in it already...

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Posted 30 September 2008 - 12:01 PM

There are cash reserves. Thats how the government bought out Northern Rock and Bradford and Bingley.

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Posted 30 September 2008 - 12:25 PM

No actual cash - government just sell bonds with a fixed rate of return.

Building soceities (rather the subsequently bankrupt ones!) borrowed money off each other (and american banks) using mortgages as security. As another poster said - lending money they have borrowed off someone else, as soon as the mortgages in USA and here started to default, it was evident that the security was more or less worthless and banks stopped lending to each other causing the 'crunch'.




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