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[CrAzYbAr]

This is shocking to bring back the cane

If They Ever Do they will be complaints from Doctors and parents if the teachers are heavy handed with the cane

Fifth of teachers 'want cane back' - Yahoo! News UK

Then that's the Kids fault for acting up in the first place.
No I have not completely left School lol but being in the same place as the students you really see whats going on...at the most, kids are sent out of their respective room into ours with much sniggering from the rest of the 6th form haha

As for the Doctors and parents complaining, tough shit. if they cant control their kids then thats what they expect. After some time that's what the doctors would expect, and the parents would realise theres nothing they can do apart from get the prats in line.

Another thing from Zoltar's opinion on the failing system...Bad kids are rewarded when they are good, are the good kids given this treatment? Eff off...! Perhaps with the cane, the whole balance of reward and punishment will fall back into place.

[cardie]

tbh at my school its not always the pupils at fault i mean some of the teachers i cannot stand and would refuse to be tought f*** all by them tbh then again some of the other teachers are really decent and i can learn a lot from someone who isnt a bellend all the time and knows how to control a class of 14 year olds

[decaff]

Thank god I only got to post 4 to see reason.

I think corporal punishment in schools, or the removal of it, was the biggest step that society did to remove the concept of kids knowing their station. This is probably a poor interpretation, but when I was at school, you accepted and took heed from physical punishment from your elders. That being parents, grand parents, teachers and even the coppers. It kept me in line and made sure I knew my place in life as a kid. Being slapped, caned, belted or even shouted at was unpleasant. And because it was unpleasant, you kept your head clean. Did as you were told, and avoided these punishments. And remember, this is not about one person dishing out violence upon another, but a simple method to nurture good behaviour. The last resort so to speak.

Today, we have a system where those who don't behave are given rewards for good behaviour. That system fails in every department. Bad behaviour is simply manipulated until an offender gets what they want.

When you get a new puppy, giving it a treat because it shat outside will not develop its behaviour. It will never put 2 and 2 together and work out that shitting outside earns a treat. But rubbing the pups nose in the dung mountain in the house after it's expelled the contents of it's pooch rectum, and the pup will not like it. And will be more likely to learn that theres a pattern going on when it gets it's nose rubbed in the shite.



All that happened when corporal punishment was removed from schools, was that the last tool for teachers to persuade respectable dicipline from kids, went out of the window. Kids do what they like because they know there will be no retaliation that will embarass them. Suspension and expulsion doesn't work. Most kids see this as some sort of device to earn respect from their friends.

These kids that leave school with no dicipline or respect for how society works, will continue through life being a pain to society. And no doubt, they will blame their schooling, and education for their problems.

Spot on Compy, you're 100% right there!!! Until we bring back corporal punishment, AND capital punishment, birching, the stocks etc. and start making life very very unpleasant for those that have no respect for society then, near as damnit, we might as well give up.

All of this trouble has been caused by gutless, woolly-minded, hand-wringing do-gooder cretins that have successfully ruined this country since the end of WWII. The'yre called POLITICIANS and all they're interested in is a fat salary and being re-elected so they can maintain that fat salary for as long as possible. They believe that in order to be re-elected each time you mustn't do anything contentious; everything must be middle-of-the-road namby-pamby don't-rock-the-boat sweetness and light and everyone will think they're wonderful.

WELL THEY'RE NOT - they're completely useless C***S; whichever party; makes no difference! Until some politician has got the bollocks to stand up and implement the measures that this country really needs to get it back on its feet, you might as well not bother.

Give the people a ballot paper with a separate box to tick for "NONE OF THE ABOVE" and the politicians (all of them) might just have to sit up and listen and start earning that fat salary. That is, of course, subject to the proviso that by the time we get to that stage in history the population of this country isn't so f*****g illiterate and permanently pissed or stoned that they can actually put a tick in a box!

[RB]

Too many liberal mamby pamby do gooders in the world.....bring back caning, teachers built like brick shithouses who could throw a mean punch...i went to an all boys school with 6th form prefects who used to patrol the rooftops any sign of trouble and all the hard f***ers in the sixth form used to dogpile in and kick shit out of everybody involved, whilst the teachers watched. then you where marched off to the head for 6 on each hand. And each teacher had their own pet torture device Mr Hughes,(english) size 12 plimsol, Mr Andrews (maths) Steel ruler, Mr Bates (history) blackboard rubber, after a few whacks you soon fell into place and respected their authority....always thinking in the back of your mind "wait until i meet you down a dark alley mate"......schools and politics are way to f*****g soft.....

[CrAzYbAr]

tbh at my school its not always the pupils at fault i mean some of the teachers i cannot stand and would refuse to be tought f*** all by them tbh then again some of the other teachers are really decent and i can learn a lot from someone who isnt a bellend all the time and knows how to control a class of 14 year olds

That sounds very much like what Z was making out at the end of his post.

[Zoltar]

tbh at my school its not always the pupils at fault i mean some of the teachers i cannot stand and would refuse to be tought f*** all by them tbh then again some of the other teachers are really decent and i can learn a lot from someone who isnt a bellend all the time and knows how to control a class of 14 year olds

At the end of the day, you go to school/college/Uni to learn. Wether a teacher is good or bad, thats irrelevent. Refusing to be taught by them eh?

I spent 3 years at Hull Grammar School with double chemistry for the first 2 lessons on a wednesday morning. (2 x 50 minute lessons together). It was hell. I hated it but had no choice. I had to endure it or go down the line of punishment and after that, still having to endure those lessons. Instead of refusing to be taught by this 'undesirable' teacher, just accept this fact and get on with things.

When you leave school, no doubt you'll encounter similar people in your working life. An arrogant supervisor for example. If you refuse to work under them, then it's the dole queue. Get your head down, accept it and deal with it, and you'll keep your job, get paid and maybe even one day, take his place or be in a higher position than him.

The thing is, you can have a class of 37 kids. No doubt an overcrowded class, and that one person who decides to be disruptive, or become difficult, will hinder those who also may not like this teacher, but who have the good sense to accept this and get on with things.

[Gazeyre1966]

So Cardie...How do you control a 14 year old who is being disruptive when you have no power or control over him? Please tell me!!!

I remember the first time I got the belt. It f*****g hurt. I was in Primary 7 at the time. I spat at someone in the dinner queue.

I got it several other times at secondary school. The incident that stood out for me was when I was in second year. We had a teacher called Mrs Flannigan (French) who was head of her department. She was a tough old boot and used to demonstrate her ability by putting a piece of chalk on the table and then whacking it once with the belt, turning said piece of chalk into a pile of dust. I'm sure she broke one boys wrist...and not one namby pamby parent, pupil, do-gooder, etc....complained. That was the way it was. Needless to say, I always behaved myself in French class.

It is time to bring back discipline in the schools. Said teacher wished me well when I left, as do most if I'm honest. Hooligans and pain in the arse pupils (i.e: bullies) always turn out to be the leechers in society unless someone brings them into line.

I'd definitely bring back compulsory conscription into the army for these arseholes. They'll soon learn.

[Bandits]

I think they should bring back the cane, i use to get the cane almost daily, i got six of the best as we use to call it for setting the school fire alarms off and for hanging the gay german history teacher out a 4th floor window by his ankles with 3 other lads, and again for kissing a girl on the play ground.

Not proud of my wrongs but lets face it kids will be kids but in my time at school you never heard of kids stabbing teachers like you do now, We have gone a long period where teachers and parents cannot punish kids and look where we are today.

I was disciplined alot it has'nt harmed me! just taught me respect!
we use to get a size 12 training shoe on our ass too which i thought was worse than the cane as the teacher was built like a bear.

They only want to bring back the cane for serious offenders and in secondary schools only and i think its a good idea!

[aaamusements]

I'd definitely bring back compulsory conscription into the army for these arseholes. They'll soon learn.

Hooray! I was waiting for "Bring back National Service"!

[Daryl]

I remember a thread on DAD's similar to this one about how the young are now, and I believe in that thread I made a post that most definitely it was the worst thing they did when they abolished corporal punishment in schools/colleges etc.

Just look how most of the young adolescents are nowadays? There is no respect at all for anyone, and some areas are 'no-go' places because the young are totally in control there and the police etc cannot seem to do a thing about it, other than the odd ASBO (which most youngsters like to earn nowadays anyway) being issued.

I am disabled and some of the youngsters around our end would certainly treat people like me, and the elderly, as easy targets in some of the areas in my town, especially after dark.

The cane should never have been abolished in the first place, but I think bringing it back now is like shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted I'm afraid. The youngsters now would just retailate back. I don't think there would be any respect in the cane from any of the youngsters now, and then you would get the do-gooders from the UK and the EU going on about how the young would be victims to violence. I think we are living in a very sad world, and unfortunately there just doesn't seem a way to bring any respect back in the younger generation.

Never mind, within the next 20-years they shall be all ruling us in politics.

[hitthesix]

Hooray! I was waiting for "Bring back National Service"!

So are you the first to volunteer then


Discipline should start at an early age i.e from the parents
trouble is too may parents just pamper to the little shits and they get everything they want
example i was in asda the other day and this woman was aking her 3 year old son what he wanted for his dinner, wtf is that all about.
if you asked a hundred parents what their kids got up to at night about 35% would know. the rest really don't give a shit as long as they are out of their way. sad but true
too many do gooders and little wonder this country is going down the pan.
but what is the answer ?
bring back the cane to schools ( probably too late for that) as said above
corporal punishment ( ooh but it's barbaric) oh! yeah but it works.
national service ( yes bring it on)

[nails]

I agree with Zoltar 100%

Spot on m8

[Geddy]

When I get a bit more time I might give a professional account of all of this and my views but in the mean time if we are to talk about the three R's can someone slip one of them into the topic title please.... snigger

[Geddy]

Discipline should start at an early age i.e from the parents

Indeed but is it any coincidence that today's parents are mainly the first ones who were educated without the threat of the cane?

[cashcards]

Indeed but is it any coincidence that today's parents are mainly the first ones who were educated without the threat of the cane?

excellent point,we shouldnt be debating bringing the cane back,it should never of been taken away.this country will never become a decent place again in my opinion,pesemistic i know but gang culture and total disrespect for people.i cant see any answers.a mandetory 5 yr jail term for being armed with a gun or knife might be a start.and get rid of the comfort in prisons.

[aaamusements]

So are you the first to volunteer then

At the creaky age of 29, yes, but not at the bottom!

Seeing as I choose to spend many weekends running round with an airsoft gun, at least I already have the uniform...

[paulsant2010]

what are you talkin about i think the y should bring back the cane ,5 years in jail for carrying a knife (firrst offence) 10 years for a gunn and then leaglize all drugs including smack and crack as weather its leagle or not people have access to them and only sad uneducated stupid idiots with no respect for themselfs or there familey will allow themselfs to get in to shit like this, another thing the reason kids act so bad is the lack of a proper hard man of a dad in the home....

[tommydee]

It would be the best, kids now adays need discapline, I heard a lass talking at work her sis was givebn lines for talking on her mobile phone during class. She said it was an emergeny call - eh yeah telling her big sis qwhat lipstick that she wanted... GET REAL teachers have no control over pupils.

Continuing on another story now most of you know im from Newcastle and the troubles thats at the club, one of my mates daughters is called Ashley. and she wend to the shops (she is 8) with her top on and because she had ashley 8 on the back she was beaten up by older kids of 15-18 because of her name,. She is now in hospital with a broken leg and multaple fractures, so for you that say discapline should not be brought back think of Ahley, if they kids had been discaplined at skool this may never have happened.

[richy76]

Its all down to the parents, a good smack will stop them being cheeky little f***s & teach them some respect.