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Posted 23 May 2012 - 06:14 PM
That's crazy RH - which council is it?
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 07:15 PM
That's crazy RH - which council is it?
Magz sweet reply mate..........I think that Council is trying a cop out (as I think your post suggests) too.
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 07:41 PM
About £400 in club cops and robbers in one day, was in the club for 6 hours, until they kicked me out when it closed.
I was the first one in the morning to get in, straight back on the machine, got JP and then cashpot all in the first 2 hours, left £200 down on the 2 days.
Got home and then lost my girlfriend that day after I forgot to pick her up the night before, so in the end losing £200 and a girlfriend in 24hrs was quite bad....
think of the money you saved long term...
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 08:16 PM
Magz sweet reply mate..........I think that Council is trying a cop out (as I think your post suggests) too.
Seems like it to me - as addiction is really a medical condition their attitude borders on discriminatory. If RH had a broken back and had to undergo surgery, would they pull housing benefit after 4 weeks? I think not...
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 08:20 PM
Further to my last post, it's also not the general rule if I read this correctly:
http://www.dover.gov...ry_absence.aspx
OK this is Dover, but I think it's a general guidline. You can get 13 weeks when "on holiday" which this could be classed as. Better, you can get 52 weeks if you're on a rehab scheme, which I think would fit this case, no?
http://www.dover.gov...ry_absence.aspx
OK this is Dover, but I think it's a general guidline. You can get 13 weeks when "on holiday" which this could be classed as. Better, you can get 52 weeks if you're on a rehab scheme, which I think would fit this case, no?
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 08:26 PM
The only problem is that I am liable for rent while at Gordon Moody. The rent is £186.02 a week which is why the council said I can't clam for more than 4 weeks. They said I could if it was a medical problem/matter I could claim for the full 14 weeks, but because I am am liable for rent while staying that over rules the medical grounds which can be claimed for 52 weeks. I was also told by someone else about duel rent but Gloucester city council don't do this. I wish I had not been honest now as i would have gotten away with just going letting the council just carry on paying but thought a new start so I will be honest and now look where it's got me.
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 08:33 PM
that sucks rob, hope you get things sorted out.. are there no charitable organisations that could help you through this financially ? its a big effort being made on your part and as such you need/deserve some backing
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 08:37 PM
Man, this gets confusing! So because you have to pay rent it's not considered "medically approved care"? That sounds like an interpretation of the rules to me, rather than a hard and fast policy. I wonder if you got a referal from your doctor it would make a difference?
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 09:07 PM
I've taken the letter from the doctor already which obviously made no difference, I got really angry when she said they had made a mistake and that should would inform her staff that they got it wrong. I decided to go on the merit that I would have a place to come back to rather than making my situation worse by becoming homeless. I'm in two minds on what to do! I really want to go but I don't wan't to be in a situation which is going to cause stress when I finish.
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 09:17 PM
I've been there mate, in a similar situation to yourself and if you need help you've got to do everything you can to take it. Frankly, if you stay on the addiction road then you'll end up homeless (or worse) anyway. However, I'd really advise you to try the Citizens Advice before you make any decision. They helped me with a different but similar matter and they were really good. At least then you'll know what your options are.
You can make it through this shit, as I and others on this forum have done and I know it sounds unlikely but you end up stronger for the experience.
Best of luck and try to keep positive!!
You can make it through this shit, as I and others on this forum have done and I know it sounds unlikely but you end up stronger for the experience.
Best of luck and try to keep positive!!
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 11:36 PM
Man, this gets confusing! So because you have to pay rent it's not considered "medically approved care"? That sounds like an interpretation of the rules to me, rather than a hard and fast policy. I wonder if you got a referal from your doctor it would make a difference?
I'm going to question this tomorrow, I've been on the website for a few hours now looking for temporary absence from home and as far as I can see there is nothing about it on the Gloucester website. I do know that she said I could claim up to 52 weeks if it was People receiving "medically approved care" which it is. So if someone has to pay to have an operation and needs to stay in hospital they can't get help with rent. I know it's an extreme example but you get what I mean. I found this info online but am unsure if it's relevant, I don't understand it to be honest.
http://dwp.gov.uk/docs/s89v8.pdf
I am not sure if this section is referring to housing benefit or not? I know its in there some place but where I have no idea, this is SI 1987/1967
Sch. 3.
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Posted 24 May 2012 - 07:04 AM
So you,d get benefit if you were having counselling for drug or alcohol addiction but not gambling that's not right in my eyes gambling is the same. On another point how much were you putting through the slot per week maybe the money you,ll save each week not gambling could be put partly towards rent etc anyways whether you go or not the 2nd step on the road to recovery is to NOT go into or anywhere near the places where slots etc are basically don,t go out lol. I wish you luck
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Posted 28 May 2012 - 09:44 AM
So you,d get benefit if you were having counselling for drug or alcohol addiction but not gambling that's not right in my eyes gambling is the same. On another point how much were you putting through the slot per week maybe the money you,ll save each week not gambling could be put partly towards rent etc anyways whether you go or not the 2nd step on the road to recovery is to NOT go into or anywhere near the places where slots etc are basically don,t go out lol. I wish you luck
I will be having counselling vectra as well as lots of other stuff but guess thats not good enough for my local cowboy council.
Got the letter from the council today which says I CAN claim housing benefit but I cant!!! Just a waste of space me thinks.
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Posted 28 May 2012 - 11:22 AM
If you,ve got a letter stating you can then in my eyes you can, you,ve got proof with the letter but get a 2nd opinion 1st. Just say I went to this house for 14weeks I can't claim housin benefit now as I work or earn to much,but if I went there I wouldn,t be earning so I would hope to get it. Anyway how's it going so far have you kept out of them places, do it a day/week at a time try not to put any money in them its gonna be very hartd to start with but it,ll get easier over time you,ll soon notice how much money you,ll have at the end of the week
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Posted 28 May 2012 - 11:35 AM
If you,ve got a letter stating you can then in my eyes you can, you,ve got proof with the letter but get a 2nd opinion 1st. Just say I went to this house for 14weeks I can't claim housin benefit now as I work or earn to much,but if I went there I wouldn,t be earning so I would hope to get it. Anyway how's it going so far have you kept out of them places, do it a day/week at a time try not to put any money in them its gonna be very hartd to start with but it,ll get easier over time you,ll soon notice how much money you,ll have at the end of the week
i've only played four machines since last week and in all about £4 on the ten pence ones down at weston super sludge. Im just at my local shelter to get some advice from them and have brought my letters from Gordon on gloss cowboy council. will just have to see how it goes i know its not going to be easy but i could do without this hanging over my head while im trying to get well.
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Posted 28 May 2012 - 12:51 PM
Well looks like it's not going to be as hard as first thought, it's going to be even harder. The council had told me that while I was away they would continue paying my housing benefit for the 14 weeks while away. So because I knew I would have a place to come back to it made it easier for me to decide to go, so accepted the offer to go to Gordon Moody. Now just had a call to tell me they will only pay the first 4 weeks and thats it. So looks like I wont be able to go as I will be homeless when I get back which would probably be a trigger to get me back into gambling. If anyone is any good at writing letters I would appreciate some help. Please send a pm if you can assist me.
Rob, what the council have told you is a load of crap.
There is in law, known as a 13 week rule, where HB etc is supposed to be paid for persons in your situ, and in some cases can be extended up to 52 weeks.
I had cause to use this fact of law, when some nazi's from the council who 4 years back also harassed mum, because they stopped covering me because I am mum's legally reconised carer.
Link here which explains this law, and is something you can use to fight your case.
Also get in touch with your local homeless housing support group like Shelter or even CAB (They will know for sure who to forward you on to in your area), and you should be ok.
At worse, you may have to cover one weeks worth of housing benefit if they are really arsey, but that's it.
http://www.leicester...away-from-home/
Though this is for Leicester City Council, it is applicable to all local councils in the UK, and is an easy to understand guide how the rules work for you.
At a guess, you may come under a Temporary Residential care rule, but quite possibly the 13 week one too.
I'll drop you a PM with my mobile number if you want to talk more.
EDIT..... You would also be covered by the 52 week rule, long as an approved medical person like your GP says you need this treatment.
Also just found GamCare's place is not far at Western too http://www.gamcare.o..._treatment.html
Edited by stanmarsh14, 28 May 2012 - 01:05 PM.
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Posted 28 May 2012 - 04:56 PM
Would RH not fall foul of the 3rd requirement to "Not claim Housing Benefit elsewhere while you are away"?
If that's the only sticking point, though, definately worth asking CAB if there's any other way to claim for this sort of thing. I can't imagine RH is the first person to have this issue...
If that's the only sticking point, though, definately worth asking CAB if there's any other way to claim for this sort of thing. I can't imagine RH is the first person to have this issue...
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Posted 28 May 2012 - 05:22 PM
Cheers for that in-depth reply stan thats a great help. I have been to shelter today and they can't do anything until it's classed as a housing issue and at present the issue is money/benefit related so they can't get involved. If I do become homeless tho they can assist me then. I'm going to the drop in at the C.A.B tomorrow morning @ 8am as I know it gets busy about 8.45 for there opening at 10am. I will take the letter from the council and Gordon moody along with me and try and see if they can help me sort it out before I go to London. The lady from shelter said that the C.A.B would probably be able to find some sort of loop hole and she thinks it will be sorted.
With regards to the medically approved care, my doctor did write a letter to the council about 4 years ago to say that I had a serious gambling addiction so that the council could pay my rent direct to my landlady's (my landlady is only 7 years old
) agent. They accepted that I had a problem and then paid the rent to the agent which is vary rare as they don't pay rent to landlord/landladies any more it's paid direct to tenants. It's a difficult one due to me falling under one rule which is in my favour and then another rule is against me. You would have thought that they would wan't to help somebody out in this difficult situation. I don't want to lose the place I live unless the council can provide me with a flat which I would be happy to take.
Thanks again guys for your help it's much appreciated, and I will probably give you a ring tomorrow Stan to have a quick chat on whats what.
Cheers
With regards to the medically approved care, my doctor did write a letter to the council about 4 years ago to say that I had a serious gambling addiction so that the council could pay my rent direct to my landlady's (my landlady is only 7 years old
) agent. They accepted that I had a problem and then paid the rent to the agent which is vary rare as they don't pay rent to landlord/landladies any more it's paid direct to tenants. It's a difficult one due to me falling under one rule which is in my favour and then another rule is against me. You would have thought that they would wan't to help somebody out in this difficult situation. I don't want to lose the place I live unless the council can provide me with a flat which I would be happy to take. Thanks again guys for your help it's much appreciated, and I will probably give you a ring tomorrow Stan to have a quick chat on whats what.
Cheers
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Posted 28 May 2012 - 05:42 PM
Glad you're getting to go RH - hope you find that loophole!
Best of luck...
Best of luck...
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