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[jamespir]

Geddy...



But either way, if you don't like the idea of UJ then you don't have to use it....

exactly you hit it on the head

[niallquinn]

exactly you hit it on the head

You don't have to use pedophilia material, does that make it okay? You don't have to be a serial rapist, does that make it okay? You don't have to be an armed robber, does that make it okay?

See, it's called moral standards, and it's reflected by the way you were brought up, to understand correctly, the difference between right and wrong, which a lot of folks around here, are sadly lacking.

[jaybee]

You don't have to use pedophilia material, does that make it okay? You don't have to be a serial rapist, does that make it okay? You don't have to be an armed robber, does that make it okay?

See, it's called moral standards, and it's reflected by the way you were brought up, to understand correctly, the difference between right and wrong, which a lot of folks around here, are sadly lacking.

I'm sorry but I don't get your argument here?

This is a site about GAMBLING machine emulation. GAMBLING is bad, if it was unlawful, none of us would even be here.

[jamespir]

SPAMMER

grow up you muppet

Edited by jamespir, 15 February 2009 - 09:28 AM.
doble post

[jamespir]

You don't have to use pedophilia material, does that make it okay? You don't have to be a serial rapist, does that make it okay? You don't have to be an armed robber, does that make it okay?

See, it's called moral standards, and it's reflected by the way you were brought up, to understand correctly, the difference between right and wrong, which a lot of folks around here, are sadly lacking.

what the daisy have you been taking if you dont want to gamble dont its not illegal to gamble where it is illegal to do the things you posted how can you even compare being a pedophille or rapist to somone who likes to gamble you sick idiot go back to school and look the term gambler up in the dictionary

[voodoomau5]

You don't have to use pedophilia material, does that make it okay? You don't have to be a serial rapist, does that make it okay? You don't have to be an armed robber, does that make it okay?

See, it's called moral standards, and it's reflected by the way you were brought up, to understand correctly, the difference between right and wrong, which a lot of folks around here, are sadly lacking.

That does make kind of sense,

Paedophile > I always thought Noel was looking at me funny while playing wow.

Rapist > Ms and 50p left, offer £1.16, no deal, 50p. Yep I would class that as rape.

Armed robber > It's armed with flashy lights, funny noises and Noel's hypnotic beard and it took my last bit of shrapnel.

[carlosgee]

That does make kind of sense,

Paedophile > I always thought Noel was looking at me funny while playing wow.

Rapist > Ms and 50p left, offer £1.16, no deal, 50p. Yep I would class that as rape.

Armed robber > It's armed with flashy lights, funny noises and Noel's hypnotic beard and it took my last bit of shrapnel.

glad you can make light of paedos and rapists, when its your wife whos gone through it, see if you can still make it lighthearted

[Geddy]

Geddy...

It's a free world and if Duplo and those like him allow such sites to advertise their wares then there is very little you or I can do....

Indeed but that does not make it moral or right. You asked why I did not take it up with the owners of the site and I showed you a quote which basically states no matter what I do Duplu would not care. I am sorry but I do have to question Duplu's moral stance on all of this. Banner fair enough, but I do not agree with it but allowing owner of said banner a posting account to allow him to spam is below par shall we say.

UJ are free to advertise on those sites which allow them and I would say that for all the legal processes which UJ have under taken in order to get this far will not allow them to advertise on child based sites, where as Fruit-Emu is open to all, so therefore within reason sites such as UJ can advertise...

I doubt very much any laws have been broken but it is just immoral

I will say this and that is you will not find an advert for porn sites even the softest of porn on this site, yet if you check through some of the threads on this forum alone the words 'Porn' is mentioned many many times in some way shape or form, of which impressionable kids can and will get access to....so what is worse??

Easy sorted then, get rid of all the kids. Also if someone mentions porn in a post they are not financially to gain if a person goes out and buys some porn. Do we have Ben Dover posting in these threads?

But either way, if you don't like the idea of UJ then you don't have to use it....

I won't be using it but that is hardly the point is it?

You don't have to use pedophilia material, does that make it okay? You don't have to be a serial rapist, does that make it okay? You don't have to be an armed robber, does that make it okay?

See, it's called moral standards, and it's reflected by the way you were brought up, to understand correctly, the difference between right and wrong, which a lot of folks around here, are sadly lacking.

Indeed it is morally wrong that a gambling company should be spamming these threads to make money from our members.

[voodoomau5]

glad you can make light of paedos and rapists, when its your wife whos gone through it, see if you can still make it lighthearted

Sorry mate, no offence intended.

[carlosgee]

i went off at deep end, you werent to know mate, so i owe you an apology not the other way round

[impersonator]

Geddy, if you had of read all posts which Peter Clayton (UJ) have made, you would have noticed that he and the team were seeking advice from who they considered to be the best fruit emu site and builders around, seeking the knowledge of others in order to create proper pub style fruit machines rather than the online stuff that passes for fruit machines these day, there is nothing wrong in seeking advice...

But as for (SPAMMING) as you have so often state in your posts along with others who have jumped onto your band wagon... It is not spamming, but just Peter explaining himself and the details involve in putting together such a project of which it was mostly in response to people who thought UJ was a con, or those seeking answers for the delayed launch and that's all it should have been....

As for the immoral aspect of things?, I'v been through a hell of a lot over the past 30 yrs living in N Ireland, I will not state what I have had to live with on this forum as it's not the right place, so don't bring immorality in to it. I'v seen it, live there, very bad memories and got the T-Shirt.

What 'We', your families and friends have all been thru over the years (what ever it was) need not be aired on this site in any way shape or form, so therefore should not be part of the topic of this thread...

If you or anyone else has an issue (immoral or other wise) with UJ then the only bit of advice I will give is this, quit harping on about it, don't use the site, Geddy - go and set up your own website where you can make it 100% non gambling promoting related and safe for all..

I could go on but what is the point.

Have a great afternoon..

[Magic121]

Great site !!

[Geddy]

Geddy, if you had of read all posts which Peter Clayton (UJ) have made, you would have noticed that he and the team were seeking advice from who they considered to be the best fruit emu site and builders around, seeking the knowledge of others in order to create proper pub style fruit machines rather than the online stuff that passes for fruit machines these day, there is nothing wrong in seeking advice...

Seeking advice on how to make money from this membership.

But as for (SPAMMING) as you have so often state in your posts along with others who have jumped onto your band wagon... It is not spamming

Of course it is spamming and blatant spamming at that.

As for the immoral aspect of things?, I'v been through a hell of a lot over the past 30 yrs living in N Ireland, I will not state what I have had to live with on this forum as it's not the right place, so don't bring immorality in to it. I'v seen it, live there, very bad memories and got the T-Shirt.

So because you have been through rough times in NI I am not allowed to bring morality into a discussion about gambling? I'm sorry I fail to see whatver logic you are trying to put across.

What 'We', your families and friends have all been thru over the years (what ever it was) need not be aired on this site in any way shape or form, so therefore should not be part of the topic of this thread...

Again you fail to make your point.

If you or anyone else has an issue (immoral or other wise) with UJ then the only bit of advice I will give is this, quit harping on about it, don't use the site, Geddy - go and set up your own website where you can make it 100% non gambling promoting related and safe for all..

Quit harping on about it? Yeah that will get it sorted out. You mention living in NI, how about if the politicians just said 'ah quit harping on about it let them just fight and fight and fight'.... shit that would have been great I'm sure. Again failed logic. If no one fights nothing gets done, maybe nothing gets done any way but at least I care enough to make a stand.

Great site !!

Which one?

[impersonator]

We are all free to seek advice from whom ever we see as being the best peolpe to seek that advice from, if it turns out, (as in this case for UJ they asking the wrong people) which it's clear to me which has now raised quite a big stink....

Again I will state the complete and total obvious, (nothing failed logic about it Geddy), don't use the site or sites similar, plain and simple... If it was such a big issue then why didn't a moderator remove the posts posted by Peter?

Duplu, did what he felt was right after investigating UJ, he has to make money in some way in order to keep this site running and without it, this site and content wouldn't be here, and as he quite rightly put it, UJ paid upfront and with no cash in return for it (failed logic there me thinks) but no, you have spend money in order to make money...

I understand from your point of view that impressionable kids could get into the gambling habit etc (in relation to UJ), but at the end of the day by using the material on this site and other such sites those kids can sit and play these at home and then once they are older play them or similar machines for real in pubs and clubs, so need I go on.....

[peter.clayton]

Not quite sure what the fuss is all about but here goes from the evil empire that is unionjackpots.com.

Once upon a time...........

A couple of mates decided to have a crack at building some feature packed fruit machines that everyone could play. They would be free and everyone would be happy in the land of Fruit-Emu and elsewhere. So the guys had a bash at it and realised that it was going to be a lot harder than it looked. If the machines were going to be clones of existing machines they couldn't be played online due to copyright infringements and the market was already well catered for. The problem was that the software had to be downloaded and it couldn't be networked as emu machines, or a lot of them if they were clones, were illegal which prevented any network element. Why did it all have to be underground? Why not get something organised where you could challenge each other, have tournaments and all live happily ever after?

Equally, the people behind the evil empire at UJ were fed up not being able to play real machines which they could gamble on because everything online was crap, which is a technical term. They thought that the people who chose to gamble were getting ripped off because there was no skill element and nothing that could replicate the real pub experience. What if you could design machines that you could play online, that would replicate the pub experience and would be as good looking as the best machines from the fruit-emu guys?

Being pig headed they continued in their merry quest unhindered about the costs or even realising what this would require in terms of effort and investment. They just wanted to see if it could be done.

So they pulled together a small team and got to work. If they had known then what then knew now they would have taken themselves to the highest rampart in the land and thrown themselves off. But they didn't.

Then one day one of the evil people at UJ said, 'shit guys, have you any idea what we have spent and what this is going to cost'. And everyone else looked at each other blankly and said no. We then had to decide whether to abandon ship or finish the damn thing off, and being pig headed (a recurring theme) they decided to finish it off which required making the play for real option a goer in order to recoup costs.

No one bought a white cat and a large leather chair at this point so we could sit there stroking the cat with evil grimaces on our face, and we hadn't considered buying a chrome bridge with a trap door into a tank of sharks. We thought it was a fair trade, to see if we could actually compete with the big boys who were not serving the market very well and delivering value to punters. Could it be done, could a bunch of upstarts really take on the big boys? We wanted to know, but not being rich, a play for real element was necessary and even more expensive to achieve which we didn't really know at the time.

So we fired ahead knowing that everyone in the land would love us and throw roses at our feet when we told them what this David was going to do to the Goliaths. Oops.

We needed to talk to 2 types of people. The first was the pro players at sites like fruitchat.co.uk who have massive knowledge of machines in the real world but have no idea how to actually build them. The second were the emu guys who know how to build them but without the need for a complex back end like a full gaming site. Oops again.

We rode into town on the back of white horses without any appreciation at all that some of the emu guys came from a back ground of problem gaming, we just had absolutely no idea and didn't really think it through. Once it was pointed out to us by DAD we apologised and disappeared for a while. Until we returned to apologise for the launch cock up and to respond to a couple of threads that we did not start but felt we had to answer because we were getting slated so badly it was hard to ignore.

Like this one.

We did not start this thread and only provided answers to questions people really wanted to know, but somehow it always makes it worse. We also accept that gambling can be a problem for some but I think you have to have had a problem with it to fully understand.

I smoke way too much, but at no point do I blame the manufacturers of cigarettes. I accept that there is something addictive about me that makes me smoke and there are far more cigarette packets around than fruit machines. But I have not started a campaign against corner shops or super markets. I accept that it is my problem and no matter what the Government does to help you get of the fags, I probably never will. But this is my deficiency not Philip Morris's and if I want to stop it has to come from me until I get to the state where I can walk past a corner shop without wanting to smoke or blame them for forcing me to smoke. And remember, this could kill me where other forms of addiction can not.

None of the above is a criticism of addiction because all the people behind UJ smoke, every damn one of us, so we do understand, but we also fail to see such a direct connection between what we are doing and being responsible for addictions to gambling when we are not even up and running and will form such a small part of the market.

What we will do is listen to you and demonstrate that we are capable of changing our opinion, rather than some of the rants that appear as responses in threads, who absolutely refuse to consider anything other than their own view. It's why we disappeared for about 3 months off this site, because people asked us to and DAD made a really good case for it due to the particular nature of the thread.

DAD and I don't particularly see eye to eye but I can at least understand his point of view and he was very eloquent in his argument. Even though I can not agree with him I can at least agree to see where he is coming from.

So we ploughed on, slightly taken aback by the response from this site but this was mainly our lack of foresight in terms of understanding the audience behind this site that had had a problem with gambling.

Even at this point we had not thought about buying a jet black and sinister looking speed boat so we could fire missiles at families on a boating lake.

Hey guys, said one of us, let's keep both happy. Let's always have a free play option for those that don't want to gamble and a play for real option so we can get at least some of our money back. No matter what people assume, it was as innocent as this. Perhaps wrongly, but there was no intend to lure people in, especially from this site because we don't want a penny from the emu players, just their advice. (Can't wait for this bit to be copy and pasted and then trashed by another rant).

We then embarked upon a sale of our wives and girlfriends for medical experiments so we could plough even more cash into the project. And if anyone knows how to answer this question from our beloveds then I would really appreciate it.

"You haven't put much into this have you honey"?

Even at this stage there was no pillage planned. We could license out the games which would possibly make everything on our site free play only, or we could sell the site to one of the big boys who would hoover it up and make it a small part of their existing gambling offering. Or we could do it ourselves and get our money back and then decide. There was no original plan to allow us to buy stealth helicopters so we could bomb small countries and steal their oil. It doesn't bother us whether people believe us or not, we know the intentions behind UJ and have done since the start. And they weren't too bad, just perhaps a little challenging.

So here we are. Defending ourselves again and sometimes for understandable reasons. We're not going to defend ourselves against accusations that we know are not true, but we will against those who misunderstand where we are coming from.

Trust us, at this point we are not in a position to buy our own island unless it is a Tracey Island from toys 'r' us. But we would love to get our money back and finish the job.

If you want to bin this thread then do it, it's your site not ours. If you want to keep it up then fine by us. But we are not here to subvert innocents with our evil ways.

Who knows what the future may bring? We may cock it up, we may lose a ton of money, we may get our money back, we may become a full gaming site and rule the world from a high tower that revolves, which would be nice if I didn't suffer from motion sickness.

But I know that what we are doing has no deliberate motivation to piss people off, screw them or cause problems. If we do then we'll listen, to well reasoned arguments and try to make changes accordingly.

All we want to do is offer a better product to an existing audience that is currently getting no value at all with AWP's. We're not convinced it will increase the gaming audience as the whole point about UJ is if you offer a better product you should be drawing existing players from other sites who already play, we don't want virgins.

This is far easier for us than to make gamblers out of non gamblers, as we don't have the money to do this. In other words, the pie is already there, we just want a slice of it by offering a better product at a better price with a better playing experience and higher value.

Everyone is entitled to have their own opinion and while you can call us naive in some respects, evil we are not. Now where's that laser canon I need to talk to Geddy.

[stanmarsh14]

Now where's that laser canon I need to talk to Geddy

Over in #mpu34 last time I looked....

Gaming Related Chat Links

[Geddy]

Again I will state the complete and total obvious, (nothing failed logic about it Geddy), don't use the site or sites similar, plain and simple... If it was such a big issue then why didn't a moderator remove the posts posted by Peter?

I won't be using the sites but that is NOT the point. Not sure how many more times I have to say it till it sinks in.

I believe a moderator should have moved the posts, in fact I do not think PC should have an account here especially when (and for the 100th time) he is posting to spam his site in order to MAKE MONEY FROM FRUIT-EMU MEMBERS!!!

Also do you think a mod would 'dare' do anything regarding PC's posts after Dulpu made it clear that it was his site and he has the right to run it the way he wants? Remember he quit because people dared to voice an opinion regarding the running of this site.

Duplu, did what he felt was right after investigating UJ, he has to make money in some way in order to keep this site running and without it, this site and content wouldn't be here, and as he quite rightly put it, UJ paid upfront and with no cash in return for it (failed logic there me thinks) but no, you have spend money in order to make money...

However Duplu admits in his posts he 'knew very little about the company.' So no investigation there then.
Also for the 100th time although I am not too keen on the banner that is NOT main issue here. The 'posting' in this thread to make 'us' more aware of his site, thus SPAMMING is the issue.

IS THAT CLEAR NOW?

I understand from your point of view that impressionable kids could get into the gambling habit etc (in relation to UJ), but at the end of the day by using the material on this site and other such sites those kids can sit and play these at home and then once they are older play them or similar machines for real in pubs and clubs, so need I go on.....

Well yeah you need go on really because there is no direct link between FME and increasing gambling. In fact I would say the opposite to say FME has helped many addicts with their problems. And AGAIN since I must not have made myself clear NO ONE (well apart from one hehe) is trying to make money from FME so your analogy is flawed.

[Geddy]

I'll snip the sob story because it basically is totally irrelevant. A companies history has nothing to do with the points raised.

Not quite sure what the fuss is all about but here goes from the evil empire that is unionjackpots.com.

(Must not have bothered to read the PM.)

1) The fuss as you put it is that you are advertising and spamming your company on an EMULATION site. A site involved in a scene that has historically warned people about the dangers of gambling.

2) Your company is out to make money. However you are targeting your money making to a group of ex-addicts and impressionable kids. Thus in my eyes do not care how you make your money as long as you do.

3) You refer to smoking. How many banners do you see advertising Cigarettes on anti-smoking or lung cancer awareness sites?

4) Like I said a banner is okay, I do not agree with it however but the spamming of threads (and lies... Outback gaming for example) is not acceptable. I find it highly immoral and disgusting but then you are making money out of it so you are not likely to care.

[cardie]

Not quite sure what the fuss is all about but here goes from the evil empire that is unionjackpots.com.

Once upon a time...........

A couple of mates decided to have a crack at building some feature packed fruit machines that everyone could play. They would be free and everyone would be happy in the land of Fruit-Emu and elsewhere. So the guys had a bash at it and realised that it was going to be a lot harder than it looked. If the machines were going to be clones of existing machines they couldn't be played online due to copyright infringements and the market was already well catered for. The problem was that the software had to be downloaded and it couldn't be networked as emu machines, or a lot of them if they were clones, were illegal which prevented any network element. Why did it all have to be underground? Why not get something organised where you could challenge each other, have tournaments and all live happily ever after?

Equally, the people behind the evil empire at UJ were fed up not being able to play real machines which they could gamble on because everything online was crap, which is a technical term. They thought that the people who chose to gamble were getting ripped off because there was no skill element and nothing that could replicate the real pub experience. What if you could design machines that you could play online, that would replicate the pub experience and would be as good looking as the best machines from the fruit-emu guys?

Being pig headed they continued in their merry quest unhindered about the costs or even realising what this would require in terms of effort and investment. They just wanted to see if it could be done.

So they pulled together a small team and got to work. If they had known then what then knew now they would have taken themselves to the highest rampart in the land and thrown themselves off. But they didn't.

Then one day one of the evil people at UJ said, 'shit guys, have you any idea what we have spent and what this is going to cost'. And everyone else looked at each other blankly and said no. We then had to decide whether to abandon ship or finish the damn thing off, and being pig headed (a recurring theme) they decided to finish it off which required making the play for real option a goer in order to recoup costs.

No one bought a white cat and a large leather chair at this point so we could sit there stroking the cat with evil grimaces on our face, and we hadn't considered buying a chrome bridge with a trap door into a tank of sharks. We thought it was a fair trade, to see if we could actually compete with the big boys who were not serving the market very well and delivering value to punters. Could it be done, could a bunch of upstarts really take on the big boys? We wanted to know, but not being rich, a play for real element was necessary and even more expensive to achieve which we didn't really know at the time.

So we fired ahead knowing that everyone in the land would love us and throw roses at our feet when we told them what this David was going to do to the Goliaths. Oops.

We needed to talk to 2 types of people. The first was the pro players at sites like fruitchat.co.uk who have massive knowledge of machines in the real world but have no idea how to actually build them. The second were the emu guys who know how to build them but without the need for a complex back end like a full gaming site. Oops again.

We rode into town on the back of white horses without any appreciation at all that some of the emu guys came from a back ground of problem gaming, we just had absolutely no idea and didn't really think it through. Once it was pointed out to us by DAD we apologised and disappeared for a while. Until we returned to apologise for the launch cock up and to respond to a couple of threads that we did not start but felt we had to answer because we were getting slated so badly it was hard to ignore.

Like this one.

We did not start this thread and only provided answers to questions people really wanted to know, but somehow it always makes it worse. We also accept that gambling can be a problem for some but I think you have to have had a problem with it to fully understand.

I smoke way too much, but at no point do I blame the manufacturers of cigarettes. I accept that there is something addictive about me that makes me smoke and there are far more cigarette packets around than fruit machines. But I have not started a campaign against corner shops or super markets. I accept that it is my problem and no matter what the Government does to help you get of the fags, I probably never will. But this is my deficiency not Philip Morris's and if I want to stop it has to come from me until I get to the state where I can walk past a corner shop without wanting to smoke or blame them for forcing me to smoke. And remember, this could kill me where other forms of addiction can not.

None of the above is a criticism of addiction because all the people behind UJ smoke, every damn one of us, so we do understand, but we also fail to see such a direct connection between what we are doing and being responsible for addictions to gambling when we are not even up and running and will form such a small part of the market.

What we will do is listen to you and demonstrate that we are capable of changing our opinion, rather than some of the rants that appear as responses in threads, who absolutely refuse to consider anything other than their own view. It's why we disappeared for about 3 months off this site, because people asked us to and DAD made a really good case for it due to the particular nature of the thread.

DAD and I don't particularly see eye to eye but I can at least understand his point of view and he was very eloquent in his argument. Even though I can not agree with him I can at least agree to see where he is coming from.

So we ploughed on, slightly taken aback by the response from this site but this was mainly our lack of foresight in terms of understanding the audience behind this site that had had a problem with gambling.

Even at this point we had not thought about buying a jet black and sinister looking speed boat so we could fire missiles at families on a boating lake.

Hey guys, said one of us, let's keep both happy. Let's always have a free play option for those that don't want to gamble and a play for real option so we can get at least some of our money back. No matter what people assume, it was as innocent as this. Perhaps wrongly, but there was no intend to lure people in, especially from this site because we don't want a penny from the emu players, just their advice. (Can't wait for this bit to be copy and pasted and then trashed by another rant).

We then embarked upon a sale of our wives and girlfriends for medical experiments so we could plough even more cash into the project. And if anyone knows how to answer this question from our beloveds then I would really appreciate it.

"You haven't put much into this have you honey"?

Even at this stage there was no pillage planned. We could license out the games which would possibly make everything on our site free play only, or we could sell the site to one of the big boys who would hoover it up and make it a small part of their existing gambling offering. Or we could do it ourselves and get our money back and then decide. There was no original plan to allow us to buy stealth helicopters so we could bomb small countries and steal their oil. It doesn't bother us whether people believe us or not, we know the intentions behind UJ and have done since the start. And they weren't too bad, just perhaps a little challenging.

So here we are. Defending ourselves again and sometimes for understandable reasons. We're not going to defend ourselves against accusations that we know are not true, but we will against those who misunderstand where we are coming from.

Trust us, at this point we are not in a position to buy our own island unless it is a Tracey Island from toys 'r' us. But we would love to get our money back and finish the job.

If you want to bin this thread then do it, it's your site not ours. If you want to keep it up then fine by us. But we are not here to subvert innocents with our evil ways.

Who knows what the future may bring? We may cock it up, we may lose a ton of money, we may get our money back, we may become a full gaming site and rule the world from a high tower that revolves, which would be nice if I didn't suffer from motion sickness.

But I know that what we are doing has no deliberate motivation to piss people off, screw them or cause problems. If we do then we'll listen, to well reasoned arguments and try to make changes accordingly.

All we want to do is offer a better product to an existing audience that is currently getting no value at all with AWP's. We're not convinced it will increase the gaming audience as the whole point about UJ is if you offer a better product you should be drawing existing players from other sites who already play, we don't want virgins.

This is far easier for us than to make gamblers out of non gamblers, as we don't have the money to do this. In other words, the pie is already there, we just want a slice of it by offering a better product at a better price with a better playing experience and higher value.

Everyone is entitled to have their own opinion and while you can call us naive in some respects, evil we are not. Now where's that laser canon I need to talk to Geddy.

so what you saying??

haha somone had to!!