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[Geddy]

The next one for Beta once Mad Money Monster gets released.

Outback Gaming has nothing to do with the new venture and I have no desire to drag them into this.

Erm their logo is on the Cops n Robbers picture hehe...

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[peter.clayton]

The first time this was asked it was in connection with people backing the business, Outback Gaming has nothing to do with the business in any respect but we are free to choose who we want as suppliers like any company.

[nails]

Sorry, what else can we say about the slightly arsing up of the initial launch.

Virtually everything at our end is done and emails will be going out this week or next depending on a couple of things I can't really go into at this stage. We are genuinely thankful of the support we have received and understand that we have not covered ourselves with glory by letting people down on the launch.

When we started this we had, to be honest, no idea as to the scale of the task we were faced with. We're talking well over 6 figures on backing what started as an idea in a pub and quickly turned into something massive even for a far bigger team than we have.

The idea was to be the only site in the world where you could play real feature packed fruit machines with a gambling option, or free play, as no one else had provided this. We now know why. The scale of the job has been enormous and we have been working flat out to get this delivered.

We apologise for the lack of communication but when things go down, boy do they go down with some style. Over the last few months we have had to develop a completely new gaming engine from scratch, a payment system that will link into reputable systems like NetBanx for example, a communication's port, age verification systems, number generators testing to gaming commission standards and before we forget, the games themselves.

We are pretty much ready to go but can't because of a legislation loophole that has only come to light despite being in close touch with the various governing bodies over some months. It took them by surprise too and we are working through it so the delays are actually out of our hands and in the lap of the Gods. It could be next week it could be 3 months no one is saying and they can't be pushed. Equally we don't want to be seen to be pushing those very, very, very nice people who can grant the final license.

All personal licenses have been granted without a problem but the operator's license has recently become the sticking point. Not because we are doing something we shouldn't or for any irregularities but because legislation can change and the knock on effect (which I can't go into) has caught a lot of people out.

The site you are seeing is being replaced entirely and I understand some people's security concerns. But the site was never the real thing, just the holding / advertising page that would herald the actual site on launch which is incredibly secure, independently tested and bullet proof in terms of security.

All money is ring fenced for those who choose to gamble and is held by reputable banks and payment systems, more of which we can reveal later once the actual secure site goes up.

I have to say, developing the games has been the easy part, it really has. The testing and the legislation has been the bugger and truthfully, when we set out to muck about with machines we underestimated the task in hand.

However, we stuck with it rather than give up and hopefully we'll be a little forgiven for our pig headed attitude when others might have ran for the hills a long time before we would.

We will see this through, we will let you know over the next few days what is happening and we will get a machine up so you can try to break it into small pieces but we have really tried to get it right before any of you pros go to it with your hammers and you have to bear in mind you are the toughest audience by far to release a game to.

Again, I can only apologise for the delay and the lack of communication and my only excuse is that we are working around the clock to deliver this, even if we were a little naive with the timeframe required to get all of this done.

Would we have done it if we had any idea as to the level of investment and work required? Probably not. But now we are in it we are in it for good. If anyone still has doubts as to what we are trying to achieve we did attend ATE recently and the interest it generated (stuff you guys haven't seen) was phenomenal, sincere and accepted with a good deal of surprise that a few guys could actually do something of this scale to this standard. It was good to get the thumbs up from what we would call the leaders in the industry and they would not have done that unless we could prove that we were here to stay, had shown them things that we can't quite reveal yet and talked to them without knowing what we are doing.

We're just sorry we let you guys down and we should have come to you sooner to tell you what was going on. Finding time to scratch our own arses has been the problem but we accept we have to prioritise who we tell what to and when.

Beta is not far away, real play may, possibly, be a while. But those people in authority are very, very, very nice if they didn't catch that first time round.

We will get back to you this time, promise.

i just want to say that what a waste it is when somebody quotes the whole txt

[Toddyuk]

i just want to say that what a waste it is when somebody quotes the whole txt

so it is

[Geddy]

The first time this was asked it was in connection with people backing the business, Outback Gaming has nothing to do with the business in any respect but we are free to choose who we want as suppliers like any company.

The first time it was mentioned about Outback gaming was because they were registered to the premises where the website is registered to. Then when this was pointed out you denied they had anything to do with Union Jackpots (quote above) however since their logo is on all the machines you have shown us I would state they appear to have a great deal to do with your venture.

The fact still remains like I tried to explain in PM that as an ex fruit machine addict (like loads of folk here) I find it disgusting that someone should pimp a gambling site here. A banner is not so bad (although bad enough in my eyes) but to spam threads like we have never seen before is disgusting.

No other FME site is being 'targeted' so why here? Like I mentioned there are a great deal of young impressionable kids here who you are basically taking advantage on to make money. Ex addicts and young kids do not need that type of temptation, it is like a brewery having a banner or a brewery rep posting his wares in a forum on the Alcoholics Anonymous site!

Yes you are going to mention there are 'software' that stops the kids signing up which I am sure will be 100% safe but the fact remains we are here for emulation and NOT gambling. Most of us want to forget our horrible experiences with gambling and not be tempted into future loses.

Fruit-Emu <--- the clue is in the name.

[voodoomau5]

Yeah but they're not exactly going to advertise on a porn site, althoughhh..... hmmm

[Geddy]

Yeah but they're not exactly going to advertise on a porn site, althoughhh..... hmmm

Advertising in the form of a banner fair enough (not in my eyes though) but NOT to advertise on any other FME site and to spam threads is a bit suss really.

[voodoomau5]

Advertising in the form of a banner fair enough (not in my eyes though) but NOT to advertise on any other FME site and to spam threads is a bit suss really.

Well maybe we should ask for them to put a banner for fruit-emu on their site then. And the argument about them choosing this site as it's full of recovered addicts, so what! shall we just get a petition to ban every arcade you walk past then. I'm not starting an argument or anything but it's exactly the same as the v.i.p layouts, it doesn't hurt or cause a problem for anyone(yeah it may piss people off) but there's no need to make a big ass bitch fight about it.

[Geddy]

Well maybe we should ask for them to put a banner for fruit-emu on their site then.

Hardly the point is it? Does FE need advertising? Does FE need to make money and attract business?

And the argument about them choosing this site as it's full of recovered addicts, so what! shall we just get a petition to ban every arcade you walk past then.

Flawed logic you gotta love it. It is hardly the same and you know it. UJ came here to drum up business for their gambling site to which they hope to make money and a lot of it... did you see the 'six figure backing' mentioned? I mean that would have to be covered as well. (I'm very interested why the Mecca, DADsFME or Fruit Forums were not contacted.)

I'm not starting an argument or anything but it's exactly the same as the v.i.p layouts, it doesn't hurt or cause a problem for anyone(yeah it may piss people off) but there's no need to make a big ass bitch fight about it.

It is nothing at all like the VIP layouts haha and yes gambling does hurt and cause problems for people or are you that naive?

Also I do think this point is worth making a fuss over it as this is an EMULATION site NOT a gambling site and they should not have the owner of the gambling site pimping his wares here, it's a bad example.

[voodoomau5]

Ok

I got to go now, gotta tell bebo that they are out of order to have an ebay banner on their site and i'll let you in on a little secret - bebo is not an auction site

[Matty.N]

Yes you are going to mention there are 'software' that stops the kids signing up which I am sure will be 100% safe

Software might stop access but most kids nowadays know how to proxy serve & that cant be stopped unless the proxy site is blocked & theres 1000's upon 1000's of em

Fruit-Emu <--- the clue is in the name.

oooo ooo is it Fruit Machine Emulation?:angel:

it's exactly the same as the v.i.p layouts, it doesn't hurt or cause a problem for anyone(yeah it may piss people off) but there's no need to make a big ass bitch fight about it.

Nope VIP Layouts are emulations that take no money

UJ Machines are simulations that take real money

[Geddy]

Ok

I got to go now, gotta tell bebo that they are out of order to have an ebay banner on their site and i'll let you in on a little secret - bebo is not an auction site

Oh FFS...... however are bebo actually against auction sites? We as a fruit machine emulation site are historically against gambling because most of us have been there and suffered....

(Note to self - do not try to reason with teenagers.... they know too much...)

[impersonator]

Geddy.... U really need 2 take a very very very big step back from the Edge, coz ur 1 man who is standing way 2 near.....

Peter and co, have clearly spent alot of time investigating the in's and out's of setting up their venture, also the large amount of money each have had 2 invest, the licences which the have to obtain, the extremely strick laws and guide lines which they must meet etc, all covered by the groups below.

UK Gambling Commision | Gamble Aware

Geddy... if u had spent some time reading all the posts which Peter has gone in2 some gr8 detail and trouble explaining all that has been involved, then u might just understand and realise that all the 'Fruit Machines' such as the 2 which Peter provided images of can be played either for 'REAL' or just pure 'Emulation FUN'... in my eye.. as these are machines which do not exist in pubs etc with similarites 2 machines I have played in the past or recently, to me they are just simulations (emulations) in away, hence (I feel) that this was the reason for Peter to post on Fruit-Emu as he knew people here would b in some way interested...

I praise Peter and Co. 4 taking on such a venture, where others in the past have bottled out, coz of all the legal issues etc that is involved. I 4-1 will b using there site once live purely 4 fun... and that's all I will b doin... I gambled in my mid teens and learnt the hard way... but will power stopped me goin beyond breakin point, I'm almost 40 and I now play 4 fun....

Geddy, u have the rite 2 ur opinion as I and many others do, but it seems that u grabbed the wrong end of the stick, Peter can choose 2 advertise or post on any site, (as 4 Spamming other threads on the Fruit-Emu forum), well now..!!! letting every1 know 'Union Jackpots' is on the way is not wrong, u see this happening anywhere, wen a new store or night club opens, 4 weeks on end all u see is posters, fliers etc..., so all Peter is doing is makin Fruit-Emu forum users aware that they are on their way in the hopes that people will check it out.... There is nothing wrong in what Peter has been doing...

So I will end as I started...

Geddy off yur high horse...

and lets give Peter & Co ('Union Jackpots') all the support they need.....

Edited by impersonator, 14 February 2009 - 01:09 PM.

[niallquinn]

Geddy.... U really need 2 take a very very very big step back from the Edge, coz ur 1 man who is standing way 2 near.....

Peter and co, have clearly spent alot of time investigating the in's and out's of setting up their venture, also the large amount of money each have had 2 invest, the licences which the have to obtain, the extremely strick laws and guide lines which they must meet etc, all covered by the groups below.

UK Gambling Commision | Gamble Aware

Geddy... if u had spent some time reading all the posts which Peter has gone in2 some gr8 detail and trouble explaining all that has been involved, then u might just understand and realise that all the 'Fruit Machines' such as the 2 which Peter provided images of can be played either for 'REAL' or just pure 'Emulation FUN'... in my eye.. as these are machines which do not exist in pubs etc with similarites 2 machines I have played in the past or recently, to me they are just simulations (emulations) in away, hence (I feel) that this was the reason for Peter to post on Fruit-Emu as he knew people here would b in some way interested...

I praise Peter and Co. 4 taking on such a venture, where others in the past have bottled out, coz of all the legal issues etc that is involved. I 4-1 will b using there site once live purely 4 fun... and that's all I will b doin... I gambled in my mid teens and learnt the hard way... but will power stopped me goin beyond breakin point, I now play 4 fun....

Geddy, u have the rite 2 ur opinion as I and many others do, but it seems that u grabbed the wrong end of the stick, Peter can choose 2 advertise or post on any site, (as 4 Spamming other threads on the Fruit-Emu forum), well now..!!! letting every1 know 'Union Jackpots' is on the way is not wrong, u see this happening anywhere, wen a new store or night club opens, 4 weeks on end all u see is posters, fliers etc..., so all Peter is doing is makin Fruit-Emu forum users aware that they are on their way in the hopes that people will check it out.... There is nothing wrong in what Peter has been doing...

So I will end as I started...

Geddy off yur high horse...

and lets give Peter & Co ('Union Jackpots') all the support they need.....

U? Yur? Goin? Doin? Which language is that? Is it Esperanto?

[impersonator]

Bertfly,

There's nothing on the forum rules that states that I must write in a particular way...

[voodoomau5]

(Note to self - do not try to reason with teenagers.... they know too much...)

You don't reason with anyone by the looks of things. You make a statement and whoever disagrees with it, they MUST be wrong.

[matrix2021]

Bertfly,

There's nothing on the forum rules that states that I must write in a particular way...

...But for a guy pushing 40 - it is slightly inappropriate.

u might just understand and realise that all the 'Fruit Machines' such as the 2 which Peter provided images of can be played either for 'REAL' or just pure 'Emulation FUN'

So how many people will actually see it like that? That sort of strategy is how EVERY online casino site works - and this is no different. You give people a little temptation on Free Play and thats all they need before they start thinking they can reciprocate success for Real. Before you know it, you have people with empty wallets. Do you really think everyone on here with the same intention of playing for fun is going to stick to it? I seriously doubt it. If online casino's didn't benefit from the progression of free play to real play, then the option would be removed altogether.

so all Peter is doing is makin Fruit-Emu forum users aware that they are on their way in the hopes that people will check it out

Yes, through shameless promotion of his site in the hope people become weak enough to move up from free play to real play. His strategy is positioned very well, making out it's for the love of fruit machines, and that you can play for free all the time. But the truth is that there's hundreds of people that will be lured to the site, possibly the recovering gamblers that aren't strong enough to keep to free play.

[ady]

You don't reason with anyone by the looks of things. You make a statement and whoever disagrees with it, they MUST be wrong.

Sorry to quote just this One....but its better than doing the whole thread..


DAD correctly said we are 'going around in circles'....and yeah we are, Geddy does have valid points...logo's for One...

But, and a big BUT...only time will tell as to what UJ is all about...I hope then there will be no "I told you so's" posts either way....when the situation arises I will say now that any posts on those lines will be deleted as we have enough ribbing pre knowing anything.

As has been said numerious times this is an FME site....and yes there is a banner for real life gambling, we are fully aware though that gambling isn't the issue...its the fact that UJ is so unknown--and of course the strange ways of promoting itself prior to (the now proven non-existant) countdown?

A sales ploy?...A genuine mistake?...dare I say no UJ at all?....who knows???

In the meantime please gents lets not row between ourselves and enjoy the reasons we are here on Fruit-Emu

[voodoomau5]

Sorry to quote just this One....but its better than doing the whole thread..


DAD correctly said we are 'going around in circles'....and yeah we are, Geddy does have valid points...logo's for One...

But, and a big BUT...only time will tell as to what UJ is all about...I hope then there will be no "I told you so's" posts either way....when the situation arises I will say now that any posts on those lines will be deleted as we have enough ribbing pre knowing anything.

As has been said numerious times this is an FME site....and yes there is a banner for real life gambling, we are fully aware though that gambling isn't the issue...its the fact that UJ is so unknown--and of course the strange ways of promoting itself prior to (the now proven non-existant) countdown?

A sales ploy?...A genuine mistake?...dare I say no UJ at all?....who knows???

In the meantime please gents lets not row between ourselves and enjoy the reasons we are here on Fruit-Emu

I feell honoured you quoted me ady aha.

Well put though mate, i'm off to put my e-shrapnel into i'm a celeb