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[Geddy]

Have you ever had ownership of any layouts or heavens forbid a whole emulator that you did not share with the scene?

Nope all the layouts/roms/artwork etc I have have been released to the public... but according to you releasing roms gets the coders to f*** off, you just cannot win with you can you? I need not mention the 300 plus DVD sets I have done to help people out either at my cost I may add.

I was a beta tester for JPeMu for a short while yes... however surely you would not want me to go against the coders wishes and leak an emulator do you? Or again can I not win... damned if you do etc...

An observation that repeats the same crap you have spouted for years. Don't see how it is relevant anyway when it detracts from your main point.

It is relevant because it seems the same people time after time are holding back the scene or trying to directly or indirectly cause trouble.

[Geddy]

Nothings up with classics

but i prefer DX's as it looks better

but a lot of work goes into classics

The main point of the post was though to point out that one of the VIP layouts had been released some 7 months ago at a different site. You claimed no DX of said layout had been made...

[ady]

Nope all the layouts/roms/artwork etc I have have been released to the public... but according to you releasing roms gets the coders to fuck off, you just cannot win with you can you? I need not mention the 300 plus DVD sets I have done to help people out either at my cost I may add.

I can vouch 102% for that comment...........a massive thanks Geddy and not a penny asked for.

[impact]

I`m sorry and all that people such as my self like others who may not be in this vip aloud area is out rage. I may have not paid for the member ship but to the point have given flyers and roms done layout testing and been a member for a long time time. I feel that is like some sort of thanks but no thanks.

Is this me just being me. Well could set up a poll for us who have not paid but having given some thing to make one or two machines or more in fact come to life.

[Nemmie]

I was a beta tester for JPeMu for a short while yes... however surely you would not want me to go against the coders wishes and leak an emulator do you? Or again can I not win... damned if you do etc...

What about the illicit version of MFME that you had in your possession (totally against the coders wishes) and that you knew was going to be leaked. Why did you not do the honourable (according to your logic ) thing and release it yourself?

It is relevant because it seems the same people time after time are holding back the scene or trying to directly or indirectly cause trouble.

But has it been established that this is the case? I think not.

[letemspin]

So either you do not know what that means OR you are saying that I hoard layouts? Mmmm



Actually just an observation but predictably you have jumped to the wrong conclusion with your T u t t o n Coloured Specs on..



It's the end of the scene as we know it actually



Thank you..

... Oh man, how many more years do we have to suffer this same old crap as a collective? Yes, Andy T offered to 'sell' those layouts for £500 about four years ago or whenever it was. Ill advised and unethical certainly, but nothing to say, lying to your missus about where that last £50 went (i.e. spunked down the back of some service station AWP on the way home). Maybe you've never done stuff like that but most here have in the past, myself included. So, according to your 'standards' then, we all should all be castigated on a continuous basis, just so you can indulge your righteous spleen.

Anyway, I could take or leave 'paying' Andy for some layouts but I and pretty much everyone else in the Scene couldn't avoid the 5 years worth of continuous, unending barage of shite splashed across perhaps half a dozen FME forums, pissing and whining about it, 'FUAT' layouts, DIF and all the rest of it. Seriously, how many interesting posters and contributors have turned away from FME over the years as a direct result of this abject, childish tedium?

It's all very well asking in all seriousness 'where are we now with MFME, forget the politics' in one place and actually expecting an answer, but not whilst gleefully indulging in said politics elsewhere. It's a ridiculous Double Standard, something you apparently abhor? Apart from anything else, your supposed hapless 'adversary' isn't even here and furthermore hasn't been for yonks.

I've got no problem with you being critical of this VIP system, I share your core concerns for that matter - but don't use this as yet another vehicle for your AT hate-fest. Contrary to your undoubted perception of the situation, it certainly doesn't cast you in a favourable light at all.

Cavey

Edited by letemspin, 09 February 2009 - 07:08 PM.

[Mavroz]

lol, also being treat the same!!

[spa]

Can't see the problem with a remade, remade, remade, remade............................ remade DX.

[DaemonX]

Just wondering, was there this type of outrage when people like Harvey or m1adness used to lock the roms so that nobody else could make remakes of their work?

[Johnnyafc]

Can't see the problem with a remade, remade, remade, remade............................ remade DX.

Remade Special Edition

[cypresshillclan]

The vip system is rubbish its fair play to all layout creators etc wanting some respect for their releases but what about people like me that cant afford to pay to support the site or dont have the time to create layouts or simply just dont understand the layout creation procedure why should we be penalised fair enough if the vip section gets the releases maybe a week or 2 ahead of us other people but if its months thats just being elitist and before someone either points out my spelling isnt the greatest or my punctation isnt the greatest i know deal with it lol

[Nemmie]

... Oh man, how many more years do we have to suffer this same old crap as a collective? Yes, Andy T offered to 'sell' those layouts for £500 about four years ago or whenever it was. Ill advised and unethical certainly, but nothing to say, lying to your missus about where that last £50 went (i.e. spunked down the back of some service station AWP on the way home). Maybe you've never done stuff like that but most here have in the past, myself included. So, according to your 'standards' then, we all should all be castigated on a continuous basis, just so you can indulge your righteous spleen.

Anyway, I could take or leave 'paying' Andy for some layouts but I and pretty much everyone else in the Scene couldn't avoid the 5 years worth of continuous, unending barage of shite splashed across perhaps half a dozen FME forums, pissing and whining about it, 'FUAT' layouts, DIF and all the rest of it. Seriously, how many interesting posters and contributors have turned away from FME over the years as a direct result of this abject, childish tedium?

It's all very well asking in all seriousness 'where are we now with MFME, forget the politics' in one place and actually expecting an answer, but not whilst gleefully indulging in said politics elsewhere. It's a ridiculous Double Standard, something you apparently abhor? Apart from anything else, your supposed hapless 'adversary' isn't even here and furthermore hasn't been for yonks.

I've got no problem with you being critical of this VIP system, I share your core concerns for that matter - but don't use this as yet another vehicle for your AT hate-fest. Contrary to your undoubted perception of the situation, it certainly doesn't cast you in a favourable light at all.

Cavey

Yeah man, what Cavey said with big brass balls on.

[nails]

The whole thing nearly made be start a thread same day as VIP was created. Some time back a regular user decided to code his own fruit machines, you all know him - but thats another argument. Point being, even though this guy got up off his arse and coded to try and make a little bit of `honest money` he was slammed by what appeared to be the entire scene for charging for his machines - on a public domain site. This very public slamming was done in these forums.

(I think its important to point out that the argument was not the charging of machines, BUT charging for machines on this site)

Today, we see the forum in question charging for public domain releases. Whilst the site owner has gone out of his way to set the site up, i do indeed see the need to ask for donations to keep the site alive. This is a great site, with some very knowledgeble people regularly placing their 2p`s worth in, but my personal opinion is a line has to be draw where nobody has to pay for public domain releases. The only person(s) who `should` charge i would say are the copyright holders of the roms, or the person who did graphics from scratch and not used flyers who belonged to the same company as to where the roms came from.

That said, VIP for the site is a grat idea, for new comers perhaps to get to grips and have access to many other things, but releases that actually already belong to joe public, no.

That said, i dont dis any of the admin for this decision, these are just my thoughts, and i will wait for that lineup 2009 edition to be released to general public (or on dads......)

[Matty.N]

but what about people like me that cant afford to pay to support the site or dont have the time to create layouts

no offence but a donation of £10 is hardly a lot

im an unemployed 17 year old & have managed to pay it

[letemspin]

Great to see you posting again Cavey

Hiya DAD, good to see you also mate, I trust you are well!

Cavey

[curlywill]

has duplu specified how long it will be between vip releases and releases to the rest?

[Geddy]

has duplu specified how long it will be between vip releases and releases to the rest?

Just posted some more publicly and erm quit

[Geddy]

Great to see you posting again Cavey

Yeah must be Wizzy's birthday or something... oh wait a bit...

[Geddy]

I've got no problem with you being critical of this VIP system, I share your core concerns for that matter - but don't use this as yet another vehicle for your AT hate-fest. Contrary to your undoubted perception of the situation, it certainly doesn't cast you in a favourable light at all.

What it does show (especially with some of the VIP layouts going public) is again this bloke is the thorn in the side of FME. How many more resources does he have hoarded that could go some way to help the scene he has arguably destroyed?
Contrary to your undoubted perception of the situation, it certainly doesn't cast you in a favourable light at all defending this bloke. When he has caused you or someone close to you so much personal problems that he has to me then you have some room to chip in and complain, until then you just do not know or appreciate the depth of it all. Join the rest of the 'Harry Half-a-Story' group...