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[Mr_Cash69]

MKV Series 2, 1999, and It was one of the lucky ones to get to MKVI in 2001 and got a new cabnet as well.



ONE main problem, the odds for the game got greatly in favour of the Pub / Casino / Club, by adding that reel... OMG, it is so hard to win some dollars....

One of the best machines out there at the moment is Aristocrats "Where's the GOLD", the feature comes out often and click on the right person in the feature and $10.00 is your on a 25 cent SPIN, 1c covering all lines.

Enchanted (Cashman) is the best of all these machines, is what I think....

[Heihachi_73]

Not quite true about that extra reel Mr.Cash...

The 6 reel games, Enchantress and Big Hearted, is of course a bit different to the original, and were also in MKV format down here. While 5-of-a-kinds pay lower than the 5 reel games of the same type, the 6-of-a-kinds is where it really pays. Enchantress also pays both ends IIRC, while in Big Hearted, the heart feature actually retriggers instead of simply going back to 3 spins when a heart comes up - that means, you could have something like 8 free spins left when you get 6 hearts up! Getting 6 hearts up makes the bell go off 6 times and can be heard throughout the venue (at least on the MKV version) - it also has the scatter noise and slow motion reel sound which is very unusual for a MKV machine.

Can't confirm the Jubilee MKIV machines, but they are very similar to normal MKIV games in the most basic aspects. Same video resolution, same CPU/sound chip etc, but they usually have updated reel graphics to match the MKV games and a better interface that isn't just plain text. The Enchanted Forest video on YouTube shows a 2c Jubilee version (although it is in crappy mobile phone quality so it's very blurry and jumpy). This video is linked in my first post on page 4. There is also a 50 line Enchanted Forest game called Mystic Forest. It actually animates the expanding reels instead of just flashing everything and blinking the eyes.

Where's the Gold can be nasty too, if you only get 1 substitute and it's 'Peter Panner' himself you'll be lucky to get two dollars out of the free games, especially since you only get 4 most of the time. Same with Let's Go Fish'n. What's comical about WTG is the fact that just about every local venue in Victoria jumped the denomination to 5c, and it's still that way today.

[freddy1]

So hows progress going are we going to be able to play these games soon

[Agua]

These things take time I imagine!

http://www.dia.govt....provedGames.pdf

the above link lists all games that were approved to run on the MKIV 540. I noticed that there's actually two independent 2.5 systems, the Microstar 2.5 and the Jubilee 2.5 prior to the 540 system.

You'll notice some of the approved games for those now obsolete systems include Black Rhino etc...has anyone ever seen a 2.5? I didn't even know that system existed!

[Mr_Cash69]

Golden Pyramids, Dolphin Treasue and Enchanted Forest, Please nice PPLS at MAME, can you fix em so I can play em on my laptop, there is a Sweetheart one somewhere but can't download it.

BTW, how do I access the Service Page , so I can fix the TILT.....Heihtachi_73 & Palindrome??? Mapping the keyboard and an xbox360 (USB) was straight forward infact Mame did most of the work....

I don't really want sound if I can get a working machine...LOL Sound can wait....

Any further process, I have a C/C++ Compiler, and can read the code, but have not mastered C yet....This is a complex language, if it wasn't everyone would be doing it....

Cheers for now please up-date soon!!!

[IGT]

I just got all the Mame 132 roms.
none of the MKV's work.

[Heihachi_73]

It's on indefinite hold until the ARM engine is rewritten in MAME, which will probably not happen in the next 10 years. That's not even including the completely undocumented, proprietary Aristocrat stuff, of which we don't even know how to get the video display working; it should display a POST screen and halt there (see photo on page 5 of this thread). Most likely you won't see the games working or the source even changed at all in 0.150 or 0.200 either, besides other game dumps being added for archival purposes.

Basically, MK5 is dead; MK4 is the only thing with any hope of getting started, unless some dumps of non-Aristocrat games end up surfacing.

If you have access to any old decommissioned games by Konami, IGT, Atronic, Bally, Pacific, VLC/Powerhouse (Winning Touch) or others, send in as much info and dumps to MAME as possible. Doesn't matter what game it is, whether it is Prize Money, Count de Money, I.C. Money or Show Me The Money as long as it's a game to be saved from ending up crushed and buried in landfill like ET!

[IGT]

It's on indefinite hold until the ARM engine is rewritten in MAME, which will probably not happen in the next 10 years. That's not even including the completely undocumented, proprietary Aristocrat stuff, of which we don't even know how to get the video display working; it should display a POST screen and halt there (see photo on page 5 of this thread). Most likely you won't see the games working or the source even changed at all in 0.150 or 0.200 either, besides other game dumps being added for archival purposes.

Basically, MK5 is dead; MK4 is the only thing with any hope of getting started, unless some dumps of non-Aristocrat games end up surfacing.

If you have access to any old decommissioned games by Konami, IGT, Atronic, Bally, Pacific, VLC/Powerhouse (Winning Touch) or others, send in as much info and dumps to MAME as possible. Doesn't matter what game it is, whether it is Prize Money, Count de Money, I.C. Money or Show Me The Money as long as it's a game to be saved from ending up crushed and buried in landfill like ET!

10 years. What about if i can find the author who emulated 50 lions. those 4 mkv games long ago. maybe he knows something. good luck if anyone knows were he is. anyhows. to you Heihachi and the rest of the team you did a great job

[IGT]

btw, which arm code is missing? is it the ARM7 or just natural ARM. in Mame source code

[IGT]

Golden Pyramids, Dolphin Treasue and Enchanted Forest, Please nice PPLS at MAME, can you fix em so I can play em on my laptop, there is a Sweetheart one somewhere but can't download it.

BTW, how do I access the Service Page , so I can fix the TILT.....Heihtachi_73 & Palindrome??? Mapping the keyboard and an xbox360 (USB) was straight forward infact Mame did most of the work....

I don't really want sound if I can get a working machine...LOL Sound can wait....

Any further process, I have a C/C++ Compiler, and can read the code, but have not mastered C yet....This is a complex language, if it wasn't everyone would be doing it....

Cheers for now please up-date soon!!!

hey cash, if you don't really know about C, don't waste your life on it. You only live for so long i tried it is so f***ed up. how can someone read that. or type it. thus there are people/aliens who can do it with no problems.! the thing is who can find the quickest and the most important code. that's what makes them different.

[Heihachi_73]

Aristocrat MKV uses the ARM250 chip. It is only partially emulated in MAME, and any unimplemented opcodes (such as TST which MKV relies on) have been simply patched to get further. It works on a few Data East games, but nothing much else.

The 'author' who 'emulated' 50 Lions doesn't exist. Those four MK6 games were PORTED to Windows with a custom program made by Aristocrat themselves for testing purposes (a screenshot of Big Ben* exists showing the touchscreen pointer for example); these four programs were apparently leaked by an ex-employee. Look at the program code, there is no SH-4 code there whatsoever, and all writes to memory is in the 0x400000 range and up like normal Win32 programs. The games have practically been decompiled and then recompiled into Windows-native code; saving only the bare AVL files (which is simply an internal archive file like TAR) and binary saves which is the equivalent of a PSX memory card (EEPROM and SRAM, note that it isn't even saved 3 times like the real machine). There is no note acceptor support, no hopper, no printer, no link system for jackpots and cashless/CCCE credit transfers, not even any CRC checking.

*Before you ask, no, Big Ben was not leaked, nor was any other game.

[IGT]

Aristocrat MKV uses the ARM250 chip. It is only partially emulated in MAME, and any unimplemented opcodes (such as TST which MKV relies on) have been simply patched to get further. It works on a few Data East games, but nothing much else.

The 'author' who 'emulated' 50 Lions doesn't exist. Those four MK6 games were PORTED to Windows with a custom program made by Aristocrat themselves for testing purposes (a screenshot of Big Ben* exists showing the touchscreen pointer for example); these four programs were apparently leaked by an ex-employee. Look at the program code, there is no SH-4 code there whatsoever, and all writes to memory is in the 0x400000 range and up like normal Win32 programs. The games have practically been decompiled and then recompiled into Windows-native code; saving only the bare AVL files (which is simply an internal archive file like TAR) and binary saves which is the equivalent of a PSX memory card (EEPROM and SRAM, note that it isn't even saved 3 times like the real machine). There is no note acceptor support, no hopper, no printer, no link system for jackpots and cashless/CCCE credit transfers, not even any CRC checking.

*Before you ask, no, Big Ben was not leaked, nor was any other game.

well i didn't know about big ben anyway. or if it was leaked. Custom emulated e.g gesus there's gotta be away. I can see how hard it is to code mkv games on mame.

[Agua]

Be positive!! It shouldn't take 10 years to emulate. Someone surely can emulate the ARM250 - the technology is now over 15 years old!! If they can land a man on the moon, we can get a 15 year old second generation computer system working

Who wrote the source for the partially emulated initial Arm? Is there a way to patch the TST or substitute it somehow?

[IGT]

Be positive!! It shouldn't take 10 years to emulate. Someone surely can emulate the ARM250 - the technology is now over 15 years old!! If they can land a man on the moon, we can get a 15 year old second generation computer system working

Who wrote the source for the partially emulated initial Arm? Is there a way to patch the TST or substitute it somehow?

i think hes right agua. im still waitng for raidne dx. its been 3 years now.

[Agua]

If the Arm Engine is not working properly in Mame, shouldn't we be submitting it in Mame Tester for fixing? Otherwise, how does anyone from mame even know that there's a problem...

[IGT]

If the Arm Engine is not working properly in Mame, shouldn't we be submitting it in Mame Tester for fixing? Otherwise, how does anyone from mame even know that there's a problem...

its not a Arm engine there looking for. i think looking for something else. like something to do with the actual MKV game! there programmers of mame dont know something inside the MKV cpu. or something, could be , and it looks like they cant get the screen up and running, that's just one problem. there not sure even if mkv runs acorn. anyway. they didnt say YES IT runs on a ACORN they just presume it does. im talking about mame developers. like you and i.

[IGT]

its not a Arm engine there looking for. i think looking for something else. like something to do with the actual MKV game! there programmers of mame dont know something inside the MKV cpu. or something, could be , and it looks like they cant get the screen up and running, that's just one problem. there not sure even if mkv runs acorn. anyway. they didnt say YES IT runs on a ACORN they just presume it does. im talking about mame developers. like you and i.

thus, could be a special rom were dealing with. all GOLD chip cpu. haha

[Agua]

How would one go about taking an independent ARM250 emulator available and then somehow incorporating it into Mame ie: there are already emulators which exist for the Arm250 out there but they're independent and not part of Mame. How would one go about copying the code over to Mame to have it incorporated into Mame?

[IGT]

How would one go about taking an independent ARM250 emulator available and then somehow incorporating it into Mame ie: there are already emulators which exist for the Arm250 out there but they're independent and not part of Mame. How would one go about copying the code over to Mame to have it incorporated into Mame?

Thats easy! the hardest bit is what there trying to do now. There's something on that ARM chip connected to the MKV motherboard. which whoever does not know how it works. I guess like what hei, is saying we have to wait for someone to code it. or sum shit. more mkv motherboards would be even better.

[IGT]

Thats easy! the hardest bit is what there trying to do now. There's something on that ARM chip connected to the MKV motherboard. which whoever does not know how it works. I guess like what hei, is saying we have to wait for someone to code it. or sum shit. more mkv motherboards would be even better.

It could be a mix cpu. built in 1 that is. I thought it was a zilog cpu. Z80 and ARM have all on one chip. z80 and arm have made chips like that,