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Posted 18 March 2009 - 10:55 PM

Aye I see a slight bit of sarcasm there lol..........

A lot of people arn't/wern't aware of DIF thats around today........I suggest you (not directed at you bj......just it was you I quoted as I don't think you for One was/are aware of the site) read the replies on here from some of the 'older' members...

Believe it when its said, the things said on there were noted by creators...and the reason?..(been mentioned already but) Mr House knows his stuff and don't talk ball in his replies.


Ady, no sarcasm intended at all.:angel:

I was originally very suspect at Mr House, not realising he was a returning revered founder member of the FME massif. However, just a few of his posts later, and the responses he elicits from those who would be in the know suggest he is someone to respect and listen to.

I actually enjoy My House's posts as they are always well thought out and respond absolutely to the points at issue without getting abusive. I am sure he only has the best from FME at heart, and if I take up my promise to myself to start layout producing next year then I will willingly submit them to a critical eye from a past master.:cool:

Cheery regards:)

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Posted 19 March 2009 - 12:17 AM

Right the good news is, the doman name transfer is well in progress, I am expecting to have lots of green lights around the weekend...

...the bad news is I have made a rather poor attempt at a layout for you laptop users. It's a huge size at 838x740, so I think you'll need one of the wider screen laptops for this...

...screenshot attached - available as soon as the site goes live.

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Posted 19 March 2009 - 12:25 PM

Ady, no sarcasm intended at all.:angel:

I was originally very suspect at Mr House, not realising he was a returning revered founder member of the FME massif. However, just a few of his posts later, and the responses he elicits from those who would be in the know suggest he is someone to respect and listen to.

I actually enjoy My House's posts as they are always well thought out and respond absolutely to the points at issue without getting abusive. I am sure he only has the best from FME at heart, and if I take up my promise to myself to start layout producing next year then I will willingly submit them to a critical eye from a past master.:cool:

Cheery regards:)

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Fair mate if you wasn't aware :)


...the bad news is I have made a rather poor attempt at a layout for you laptop users. It's a huge size at 838x740, so I think you'll need one of the wider screen laptops for this...

...screenshot attached - available as soon as the site goes live.


hahaha right lets start with.....those 'nudges' what are they!!!!!!!!!!!


only kidding........jeeze do I regret doing this joke ;)

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Posted 19 March 2009 - 01:47 PM

Fair mate if you wasn't aware :)




hahaha right lets start with.....those 'nudges' what are they!!!!!!!!!!!


only kidding........jeeze do I regret doing this joke ;)


I can actually hear the future echoes of an enormous bitch slap hitting ady through his monitor;)

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Posted 19 March 2009 - 03:07 PM

I can actually hear the future echoes of an enormous bitch slap hitting ady through his monitor;)


lol already been done mate....to me by Mr House :)

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Posted 19 March 2009 - 03:45 PM

Woot!

Great stuff Mr House - looking forward to the return of DIF.

ps - will Slingo be making a return too :bigeyes05:

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Posted 19 March 2009 - 04:37 PM

Woot!

Great stuff Mr House - looking forward to the return of DIF.

ps - will Slingo be making a return too :bigeyes05:


Yes, but I think it's only fair to reset all scores on all games - especially the ones that people had beaten mine on... :bigeyes14:

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Posted 19 March 2009 - 04:54 PM

Any chance of launching it with the hundreds of unreleased SP classics, and the slightly later version than 10.1 that does the cctalk?

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Posted 19 March 2009 - 05:01 PM

Any chance of launching it with the hundreds of unreleased SP classics, and the slightly later version than 10.1 that does the cctalk?

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We only need one South Park classic layout..... :D

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Posted 19 March 2009 - 11:07 PM

Right the good news is, the doman name transfer is well in progress, I am expecting to have lots of green lights around the weekend...

...the bad news is I have made a rather poor attempt at a layout for you laptop users. It's a huge size at 838x740, so I think you'll need one of the wider screen laptops for this...

...screenshot attached - available as soon as the site goes live.

How long is it gonna be for the relaunch wasn't a member last time round but looking forward to it.

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Posted 20 March 2009 - 12:39 AM

I give it three weeks before he disappears in a hissy fit .I don't see why layouts need to be reviewed at all, a simple thanks and some encouragement is all that is necessary to people that spend their time doing it.

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Posted 20 March 2009 - 07:03 AM

I give it three weeks before he disappears in a hissy fit .I don't see why layouts need to be reviewed at all, a simple thanks and some encouragement is all that is necessary to people that spend their time doing it.


In the world of Ritdav where the land is green, the sky is blue and he has a horseshoe tattoo on his arse...

...this maybe the case.

However for every positive there is a negitive and I wholesomely thank you for being that and welcome your sugar induced but deeply flawed opinion.

You my friend are one of those people that I mentioned before who runs through the woods stark bollock naked wildly thanking people for layouts that are of a poor quality.

You are part of the reason that people think they're doing a good job when they make layouts but a thousand angels in heaven all scream at the same time "What the f*** is this?" when they see it.

DIF has made people a better layout designer then what they were before.

That gives it purpose and makes it fantastic...

...btw, welcome to post #32.

#33 Zoltar

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Posted 20 March 2009 - 08:07 AM

I will say that a scene such as ours should be bustling with activity with many more websites than what we currently have. During the good times, I'm sure there were in excess of 10 English websites that were running at the same time with FME content. Add to that, the foreign sites and you realise how big the scene actually is. Or used to be.

Sure, whilst theres no advances with MFME or JPeMu or BFMulator, there is forward movement with FMFE so we are not entirely stagnant. Theres been the odd sentence here and there saying things are running low. Theres not much else to do layout wise. But to be fair, this isn't 'The End' catching up with us. Theres plenty of layouts that do the job but fall well short of the title 'perfection'. MPU4 on MFME was done and dusted some years ago and up until a year or 2 ago, when I still did a bit of layout designing, there was still a massive urge to go back and 'better' some of the layouts that I had done in the past, or even take other layouts and do my versions of them.

One thing that I've always been against on the scene is the old 'rom flood'. Although few and far between when they do happen, but when they do, theres a great deal of people being selective with what they grab from the flood to do. This is in no way indicated at any single individual, but simply pointing out human nature. Imagine if DOND was finally emulatable and the roms were just released as part of a flood. What tends to happen is many will grab these roms and we have a race to see who can get theirs out there first. This is what happens with popular and well known games. We have a handful of rushed efforts where the designer simply aims to be the first to do the said game. I'm sure I've seen in the past where a rom thats released as part of a flood is out there as a classic within a few hours. And the DX follows a few more hours later. The most eyecatching part of the layout being the nice pictorial layout designers name to the side that probably had more time and effort spent on it than the whole layout. Not oozing with quality but it does the job and the layout designer gets his accolade of being the first to do 'GAME X' or 'GAME Y'. Then once the game is out there, others fall away as the challenge now has a winner. What this leaves the scene in effect, is a game that plays well, but lacks in true quality.

I feel I can talk about this and not disrespect other designers as I'm guilty of this very same thing. But it does cost the scene as firstly, time and effort is wasted by designers on a challenge they were never going to win. Usually the layout, half done is binned. Secondly, the released game, as mentioned earlier lacks the time and effort thus the quality and we are left with a game that should have been far more pleasing to the eye.

I agree that the simple pat on the back thanks that are added to a layout release thread may serve to show appreciation, they don't necessarily indicate an endorsement that the quality is good.

Looking back over the last year or two, theres been some cracking layouts that deserve serious thanks. But theres been many time more layouts that with a bit more time and effort, could have been better.

DIF I believe, isn't about simple cheap shots at layout designers. Not a tool to 'bad-mouth' them or to favour some and dismiss others, it did serve a purpose that ultimately benefited the scene as a whole. Sure, the comments may sometimes be perceived as insulting and humiliating, but this is the 'entertainment factor' of DIF. I have to say, that with any of my efforts released over the years, I'd sooner be told that it's a 'bag of $&%#' rather than gain the false pretense that it's great, when it isn't.

Going back to my main ramblings though. Theres hundreds of layouts out there that can be bettered. There may be thousands lol. If DIF was here all through those times, firstly, we'd probably have seen a great deal less 'naff' layouts, and the quality of layouts we'd have on the scene would be far greater visually.

At the end of the day, accept the comments made. Take them with a pinch of salt. Firstly, you took the time and effort to make a layout. That in itself is a fantastic and worthy feat. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Once you are there, it's time to better yourself. DIF will tell you exactly what you need to know to improve matters. And remember, comments made there may knock the old self confidence. But you sure will feel good when you get your layout there and receive nothing but praise. And do remember this. There isn't a layout designer on this scene that didn't take a few knocks along the way. Those still here doing their stuff after the knocks will tell you they benefited from such knocks and became a better layout designer for not throwing in the towel.

There is of course an alternative. And thats simply to ignore DIF. After all, it's not the governing body of the scene. It's there to help you. But with anything, you don't have to listen and your layouts will still be warmly received on the scene. But wouldn't it be nice to be associated with one of those great layout designers both Classic and DX that we have here. People like Dad, Pook, Bugs 'n' Trouty, JohnnyAFC, Ady, Pandy, and maybe even myself lol. Far to many names to mention but all regarded (except me) as masters of the game.

This is just a hobby at the end of the game. We do it for fun, for fulfillment, for the banter and sometimes for the odd pat on the back. Once you start taking things to heart, and are effected emotionally by comments, it's time to sit it out for a month or two. I have a few semi-complete layouts that I haven't touched for months. I won't say I'm completely spent of enthusiasm. I don't even say much on the forums these days. But I'm around if anyone wants some advice or help.
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Posted 20 March 2009 - 08:27 AM

Nice short post Zoltar,nice to see you posting again;)
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Posted 21 March 2009 - 12:25 PM

Great post their Zoltar, thank you.

Even with the good burning of people's layouts that DIF does in a fashion that Hitler used to burn books, if it makes the people concerned a better layout designer then that is good for everyone.

I am not the best layout designer by far, but I am a reasonable critic. Nobody has asked their layouts to be judged or reviewed, but the way I see it is as soon as they enter the public domain then they're up for grabs. It's like people who release films that they know are shit, they can't say to the media - please don't review this or say anything bad!

We also try to have fun, here is one review that is still available (when) the site goes live...

Machine: Money Mad Martians
Designer: Kriss

Mr House is looking for a new layout so he goes into the layout shop. Behind the counter is the shopkeeper who is probably selling them to make money for something or other and upstairs is his wife Margret.

Shopkeeper: Hello.
Mr House: Hello.
Shopkeeper: Can I help you?
Mr House: Yes.
Shopkeeper: Oh?
Mr House: I am looking for a layout for MFME?
Shopkeeper: Have you tried one of Pook's?
Mr House: Yes, but none of them has space in it.
Shopkeeper: What about this old one by Ross, it's called Apollo 9 and that has space in it.
Mr House: Does it? I'll take a look then.
Shopkeeper: Let me just fire it up then.
Mr House: It's not very space like is it?
Shopkeeper: Do you think not?
Mr House: No. Do you have any others?
Shopkeeper: I don't know. Let me check. Margret! Margret!
Mr House: ...
Shopkeeper: ...
Margret: Yes?
Shopkeeper: I have a gentlemen in the shop here, he is looking for a MFME layout that has space in it. Do we have any?
Margret: Have you shown him Apollo 9?
Shopkeeper: Yes, he thought it was not very space like.
Margret: Oh.
Mr House: ...
Shopkeeper: ...
Margret: Is he still there?
Shopkeeper: Yes.
Margret: Oh, I know. Have you shown him Money Mad Martians?
Shopkeeper: I know, have you seen Money Mad Martians?
Mr House: No.
Shopkeeper: Would you like to?
Mr House: Yes please.
Shopkeeper: Let me load this one up. What do you think.
Mr House: That does not have very much space in it, does it?
Shopkeeper: No, but it's got Martians, they come from space.
Mr House: Yes. I was looking for something with a little more space in it and less humans.
Shopkeeper: Well I think it's meant to be an invasion.
Mr House: What about the red and the white notes across the top, why do they have white lines around them?
Shopkeeper: Oh that's just the lamping.
Mr House: I don't see how the notes can fly above the space ship, it's not very realistic is it?
Shopkeeper: Well no, but what did you expect?
Mr House: I was expecting the notes to be a little smaller, I have never seen notes that big, especially in the sky. I don't feel that this is projecting an accurate projection of an invasion.
Shopkeeper: Well I don't think I can help there. Apart from the notes, is everything else okay with it?
Mr House: I was hoping for more space above the space ship. Also look at the lamping it seemed to be too varied in styles as some is omni while others look simply highlighted.
Shopkeeper: Everybody has their own style, you have to broaden your horizons.
Mr House: Yes. I am not sure about the martians on this layout either. They look a bit cartoonish and warm to the touch.
Shopkeeper: I don't think that they're meant to be scary.
Mr House: They were in Alien.
Shopkeeper: This is not Alien, this is an MFME layout.
Mr House: But they do look warm to the touch which I don't think is right in the constraints of the image that this layout is trying to portray with a martian invasion from space.
Shopkeeper: Well there is nothing that I can do about that, I never made this layout.
Mr House: I know.
Shopkeeper: So do you want it then?
Mr House: No.
Shopkeeper: Why's that then?
Mr House: I was hoping for a layout with more of a space theme and I don't like the attract mode, the flickering of the varied lamps that are both omni, highlighted and with white lines hurt my eyes when they flash.
Shopkeeper: That's a pity.
Mr House: Do you have any other space layouts?
Shopkeeper: No, none have been made I'm afraid.
Mr House: Oh. I'll just wait here then until one has been done.


The domain is taking a little longer to transfer then what should be humanly possible by the hosts, but do not fear it will eventually happen so I can release that southpark classic.

Below is a screenshot of the site as it's going to return, still a few things to do, but thought in the end, it was worth a fresh coat of paint. There is a banner rotation system there as well for the top. Now I am going to do banners for most the FME sites that I am aware about. If you have a specific banner that you would like then please attach it here. The only restictions are it must be 468x60 and I don't want it looking like it's drawn by a five year old. Some of the classics I see are bad enough so let's not make the banners look just as shit! :bigeyes14:

The only things really left to do for me (apart from wait for the domain to go through) is put the arcade back, update the FME site checker on the right hand side and put a few more banners on...

...then the minor things of reviewing. I just hope that ritdav gets a layout or two done to look at. :bigeyes25:

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Posted 21 March 2009 - 01:15 PM

Great post Mr House. I eagerly look forward to the site and sorry for any bad feelings I had for you. Never caught DIF the first time round and judged you as you would a layout. Good luck. :-)
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#37 Geddy

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Posted 21 March 2009 - 02:24 PM

/me bets he won't have his 'reviewer' account anymore hehe :D

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Posted 21 March 2009 - 02:34 PM

I won't quote the whole post and this isn't meant as an insult or whatever but -

as far as i can see that isn't a review of a layout but more of a review of the machine itself, for example the martians bit lol they don't look any different on kriss's layout as to what they do on the actual machine itself but the way you've wrote it in your little britain sketch style review it seems to focus on the fact that the layout isn't worth "buying" as the martians aren't scary enough or whatever. Maybe you shouldn't be reviewing layouts and try writing to barcrest to re-draw there artwork for the said machine and see if they'll make the aliens soo scary you'll Scheiße ihre hosen XD.




Like i said this isn't to criticise or anything, i'm just confused as why that is meant to be helpful to layout creators.


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Posted 21 March 2009 - 02:43 PM

I am not the best layout designer by far


Can be that bad, i adopted your classic style layout :D - and put my own twist on it :)
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Posted 21 March 2009 - 03:03 PM

I'm scared now. Might release my layout under a different name and if it gets a good review i will own up n say its mine.




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