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[duplu]

'We' so you are admitting Duplu is passing you personal information to check against your database?

We does not refer to me as I have no admin association with FW, this is handled by somebody else - I don't use phpBB. For anyone who is interested (not that you'll listen) I installed phpBB for Andy and clarified who three members from FE were. This was not by IP or e-mail address but because their usernames were exactly the same on FE.

[Geddy]

We does not refer to me as I have no admin association with FW, this is handled by somebody else - I don't use phpBB. For anyone who is interested (not that you'll listen) I installed phpBB for Andy and clarified who three members from FE were. This was not by IP or e-mail address but because their usernames were exactly the same on FE.

Right so for example you have a member 'XYZ' here.

FW has a member 'XYZ' at Fruitworkz. Unless information held here is compared to information FW has how the hell can FW tell if the account is made by the same person.

Stop trying and I mean trying to insult my intelligence.

[duplu]

That is total bullshit. I have listed an example above. Also Andy T has said twice now this practice has took place.

How can Andy compare an IP or email address if he has nothing to compare it to?

Account closed no but I would appreciate my donation returned as it is clear it could be going towards the hosting of FW which I am being discriminated by.

Andy has successfully wound you up to the point of explosion and you're believing everything he says because you want to. As I've said before, because someone writes something on a forum it does not make it true. I have no idea how Andy is checking IP addresses (if he is) but I haven't posted or sent him or anyone else any from FE.

[duplu]

Right so for example you have a member 'XYZ' here.

FW has a member 'XYZ' at Fruitworkz. Unless information held here is compared to information FW has how the hell can FW tell if the account is made by the same person.

Stop trying and I mean trying to insult my intelligence.

Read my post above this one.

[Geddy]

We does not refer to me as I have no admin association with FW, this is handled by somebody else

I actually think the 'we' is referring to you...

IPs and email addresses[/B]

Now you are either saying zomb1 is a lying piece of shit or indeed you are sharing personal information. Which is it?

So again stop trying to insult my intelligence.

Is it padlock time again?

[Geddy]

Andy has successfully wound you up to the point of explosion and you're believing everything he says because you want to.

Not the case at all. Andy could never wind me up he is not clever enough sorry. So are you calling Andy a liar?

As I've said before, because someone writes something on a forum it does not make it true. I have no idea how Andy is checking IP addresses (if he is) but I haven't posted or sent him or anyone else any from FE.

Well he says you are doing it for him. So it is either you or one of your staff. I would check that out if I were you.

[Geddy]

Read my post above this one.

Yeah and it does not explain how Andy can tell if member XYZ here is the same person as member XYZ at FW UNLESS he has personal data to compare such as IPs and emails.

[duplu]

I actually think the 'we' is referring to you...



Now you are either saying zomb1 is a lying piece of shit or indeed you are sharing personal information. Which is it?

So again stop trying to insult my intelligence.

Is it padlock time again?

That's an old post that has now been rebuked several times. For your information, not that it's anybodies business but my own, Andy has apologised to me via PM for creating this mess. His reasons for posting what he did are his own.

[duplu]

Not the case at all. Andy could never wind me up he is not clever enough sorry. So are you calling Andy a liar?



Well he says you are doing it for him. So it is either you or one of your staff. I would check that out if I were you.

Why are you so keen for me to label Andy a liar? Is that the opportunity for you to post some supposed chat logs of me passing IP addresses to Andy? I thought there was some kind of killer evidence but I haven't seen any yet.

I would be confident it's none of the mods either, hardly the best of friends with Andy are they!

[Geddy]

That's an old post that has now been rebuked several times. For your information, not that it's anybodies business but my own, Andy has apologised to me via PM for creating this mess. His reasons for posting what he did are his own.

Rebuked? (By who?) However I don't think so as he backed it up at half seven tonight.

Well I hope you have learned another valuable lesson on not trusting Andy then since he has dragged you, your name and hosts through the shite. I doubt it though.

Would still love to know how he knows a members details here to cross reference to his site. I think you might have a leaky staff.

Sorry if I am sounding out of turn but I have personally been seriously burned by this sort of thing in FME land by one of the people involved hence I am taking this episode extremely seriously.

[Geddy]

Why are you so keen for me to label Andy a liar? Is that the opportunity for you to post some supposed chat logs of me passing IP addresses to Andy? I thought there was some kind of killer evidence but I haven't seen any yet.

Because if you label him a lair you MIGHT learn from the mistakes you have made in being associated with him. I have no chat logs of you passing on information. I have other evidence that he knows information from this site to compare with his own.

I would be confident it's none of the mods either, hardly the best of friends with Andy are they!

Well he has got the information some how or HOW CAN HE COMPARE???

[duplu]

Well he has got the information some how or HOW CAN HE COMPARE???

He can make an educated guess based both on the e-mail address people have used for signup and the IP address.

[duplu]

Because if you label him a lair you MIGHT learn from the mistakes you have made in being associated with him. I have no chat logs of you passing on information. I have other evidence that he knows information from this site to compare with his own.

Well that's not going to hold up with the ICO to whom I have been reported. A sad day indeed for FME. And people thought AT has stooped low.

[£6 In Tokens]

Wonder who XYZ are? Did they receive e-mails explaining that you passed on (some) of their information (IP or any other details)?

If not can this be done ASAP, I know at least 1 of XYZ must be.........Bit late now though, should have had permission from the member surely.

:devil:

[Geddy]

He can make an educated guess based both on the e-mail address people have used for signup and the IP address.

EH???? Right I will try AGAIN.

If Geddy signs up to FW and his ip address is 123.456.789. and email geddy@geddy.co.uk

How does Andy know if his Geddy is the same as here? The only information he should have access to is the name 'Geddy.' How can he compare IPs or emails unless he has access to them here?

Again stop trying to insult my intelligence.

Well that's not going to hold up with the ICO to whom I have been reported. A sad day indeed for FME. And people thought AT has stooped low.

Well it is a sad day but once folk started reporting FME sites for bullshit then this was always going to happen.

And we all know how that all started. Are you beginning to learn yet?

[DialTone]

Well that's not going to hold up with the ICO to whom I have been reported. A sad day indeed for FME. And people thought AT has stooped low.

Unbelievable. I am so angry now to see this persistent vitriol towards anything concerning AT be allowed to affect so many FME members in one fell swoop. I'm not going to list it all, as I'm sure we're all aware of the history; I don't have the time to list it all; and I'm sure most are as sick and tired as I am of it all. Please don't come the "but fruitworkz is harming the scene" nonsense either - it will only harm if you let it, but rest assured, if you force the issue, I have no doubt whatsoever that the FME scene will lose out someway somehow yet again. It's always been that way.

I wasn't going to make any posts concerning this, but now I feel I have no option. The "we" that Andy refers to most likely includes me - I am a co-admin on Fruitworkz site for the interim whilst I assist him with some configuration and maintenance in the early days - he asked me to assist him as his phpBB/forums knowledge was somewhat limited. I'm so glad that you have jumped to conclusions about Duplu's involvement, as this simply shows you up to be the irrational #@#@#@# that you really are.

Concerning the "IP checking" - there is more than one way to skin a cat, for sure. I know - because I've been the one skinning that proverbial cat. This has involved the use of geographic IP lookups, reverse DNS lookups, email checking, sending of PMs to known individuals to verify their identities and so on... and ultimately guesswork!!!

In deference to the guesswork comment - you specifically mention a "Trouty" account. This was indeed registered on fruitworkz. This was also deleted almost as quickly. There was no need to check the account as Trouty was and is considered "persona non grata" at the fruitworkz site in light of his vitriol towards AT. There seemed little point in allowing either Trouty or someone purporting to be him to register, as that was likely to be a recipe for disaster, regardless of their real identity. Account membership at fruitworkz is not a god-given right, it is solely at the discretion of the site owner (AT) - not me I might add! If AT chooses not to accept a member, that's his choice alone, and his right alone. If you don't like that - tough!

This scene has not been about "genuine" FME for quite some time now - and it really gets my goat to read the mountains of utter shite spouted to the contrary. Several users' intentions are extremely transparent where AT is concerned - it isn't about FME, it's about a personal vendetta that they are hell-bent on executing. That is what is wrong in FME today, not this relatively innocuous comments and actions by someone who is so demonstrably passionate about FME.

That this has now reached a point where Duplu himself has been dragged kicking and screaming into the petty schoolyard bullying is utterly despicable. I am not stupid, and am aware of recent events surrounding the opening of fruitworkz' own forum. I would have reasonably thought that this was actually a positive step for FME... AT now has his own "corner of the internet" to do with as he sees fit; Dad has his own "corner" too (along with several of the most vitriolic members towards AT); and now never the twain need meet. But no, it seems that isn't enough for some people, who will stoop to the lowest of lows in order to attempt to ensure his removal from the internet. Trust me - such attempts are futile. It's the nature of the internet, grow a pair, grow up, and get over it. Life moves on.

Sheesh!

[MAGIK]

Can I just give you a chilling reminder duplu of what ATs motives were the last time he tried to obtain personal information. Ask Mr House WHY DIF shut down and he dissapeared off face of FME for a while.

[mufcmufc]

Deary me, what a bunch of pathetic f*****g childish pricks.

[MAGIK]

YES dialtone I know you are dissapointed with me but I tried to get on with the guy and he spent all his time spouting pure fantasy about other members of the scene. I am not gonna disown my freinds and contacts because he tells me to. And the way he convinced guitar to take FMEF away from the general FME community was underhand and plain wrong. I note I am nod a moderator of that forum in fruitworkz- I should have been. After all I put many many hours into that project helping him overcome its various hurdles. That doesnt matter to AT. He is already calling it his own project, he has discarded all guitars imaging artwork like it was nothing and as far as he is concerned he is doing it with guitar and no one else gets near. I think him reporting DADsFME to the site hosts is utterly disgusting I really do.

You know yourself what he has done over the years I am not allowing him to treat me like he has.

[MAGIK]

Deary me, what a bunch of pathetic f*****g childish pricks.

Not so, I am bloddy angry that there is even the hint of this going on. We cannot just get walked all over like this FME would be no where NEAR where it is today without bugs and trouty, and guys like me who push for all they are worth to collect resources and get old machines working.

Having an enormous talent in artwork is one thing yes, and yes, he is good at art, very good. But FME does not belong to him and he should be able to accept critisism. Unfortunatley if anyone dares to they regret it.