232 replies to this topic

[DialTone]

Firstly do not be so f*****g blind to the truth. AT has harmed the scene from nearly day one and involved you yourself on many occasions. Do you want me to list all the things I KNOW for 100% certain he has done that has caused the scene to fall back. That is without the personal things he has done to me or others.

My comments were not about listing the things that you perceive him to have done to have damaged the scene - I even stated that, so no I do not want you to list them any more than I am about to list the numerous ways that you yourself have been directly and extremely incidental in harming FME.

'It only harms if you let it.' Well that is the biggest pile of shite I have seen posted for a while. I robbed your shop but it is only a robbing if you think it is. DT what a f*****g whole load of shite.

You're absolutely right about one thing. A f*****g whole load of shite. The analogy you made, anyway. If you can, try making a relevant analogy and I might be interested.

We only jumped to Duplu's involvement because we have been told by AT that is the case.... or are you now calling him a liar as well?

You've already done that yourself on so many occasions that I've lost count. How is it that you now choose to believe his every word where previously you have stubbornly refused?

Again an utter pile of crap. I'm sorry you claim to be intelligent however you are clearly not. I have 100% evidence that IPs/emails have been cross checked between here and FW.
No matter what you say above it is pure spin. There is only one way Andy could compare IPs to here and that is if he has access to them.

My own IQ speaks for itself, thanks very much! Trust me when I inform you that I'll lose no sleep tonight that you doubt that. If you have 100% evidence that IP addresses have been cross-checked, then I am prepared to stand corrected. But frankly your own credibility is severely lacking, so I'll hold out on that one for the time being.

It has not been about FME because in one way or anther you best buddy has f***ed it up by wanting it his way. TBH I dunno why the hell you give him the time of day let alone attempting to stick up for him. He has f***ed you over more than enough.
As for 'innocuous comments and actions' I do not consider reporting FME sites, stealing emulators, leaking emulators, attention seeking, bribary, personal threats, trying to make money from FME (on more than one occasion) etc etc as 'innocuous' and anyone thinking they are including yourself need a reality check.

I trust you'll be holding up your hands then for your own less-than-innocuous actions and finally accepting responsibility for them? I suspect not, based on your track record thus far. I don't condone reporting FME sites to hosts, generally speaking, and here I make no exception. As for stealing/leaking emulators, personal threats etc etc, I guess you'd no more than me how that works?

Far from schoolyard bullying this is a serious problem.

No Shit!

Duplu has been 'dragged' into it because he foolishly has got involved with AT.

Why does this sound so Bond-esque? "You'll regret that Mr. Bond"; "Don't be foolish Mr. Bond". From where I'm sitting, it may well have been foolish given that you have made it patently clear for quite some time now that you have no time for AT nor anyone else who might have the tenacity to speak to/deal with him. That's quite ironic in light of many of your claims against AT. What it is, though, is his perogative. Not yours.

As for AT having his own corner that is fine however you have to question his ethics and methods. As for DAD having his own corner, well just..... because your mate is trying his damed to get it closed out of pure spite of not being able to get his own way...... AGAIN!!!

Actually, I don't have to question his ethics and methods at all. I don't have to do anything. Not that you'd care, but I do question yours: He has (mostly) been demonstrably an avid FME enthusiast, and gone out of his way on many occasions to make contributions to the scene. Sure, he's ruffled a few feathers along the way, but that's to be expected I would have thought. You, on the other hand, appear to have contributed very questionably to the FME scene. Certainly, you've been implicated in a number of very negative actions (despite your denials) though, in spite of your protests about how passionate about FME you are, and lest we forget the Bugs/Trouty layout "fiasco". You seem adamant that we should drone on about emulator leaking (and let's remember, JPeMu for instance did get another release after he leaked it - perhaps that's because I was able to bury the hatchet? Can you say the same for MFME?), EPEE, and all manner of other topics, but seem very quick to run from your own shortcomings. Hypocrisy is alive and well then, clearly.

DT

[MAGIK]

If EVERYONE could only TRY and resolve things here FME could move on. But that is never ever going to happen is it?

can everyone not go into a chatroom or something and bloddy well thrash this out?

Well I have had replies to my Pm and the correct action has been taken. Thats my part in this over with.

[duplu]

So are you accusing other FME sites in helping AT with his checks? I doubt anyone at DADs would be approached hehe.

Not at all, just thinking outside the box - not that I'm accusing AT or DT either of being in cahoots with another forum.

[Geddy]

Well Jimmy that is a lovely post. I'm sorry I am a bit busy now but I really hope this thread is still open tomorrow so I can give it my attention.

FYI the only person abusing people here, MFs or the Mecca recently has been YOU. You are the only one posting personal abuse and swearing aimed to abuse.

So please stop the 'woe is me' crap...... another one of your triats.

[MAGIK]

As for EPEE can we please not go down that road again- either talk about it properly or not at all.

most of the problem here is that no one tells it like it is.

joys of the internet eh?

[£6 In Tokens]

@ JimmyRiddle/FW post about hate & bulling - That is bullshit. To put everyone straight - It is only mostly you and Touty in a battle that will never end, not an entire forum = Fact.

I have made tongue & check comments about lots of members, but I haven't verbally attacked you personally, nothing more than what is said on the forums in jest. I couldn't care less about FW, more angry that you got Duplu involved in this, which is low...Hope your proud of yourself.

Also, I'll give you an example - On FF about a year ago, I had various members posting against me on a post I made, quite strong comments too . Now I didn't cry "Bully" I just got on with it, even though I didn't agree.

That post I have seen you make a few times now on various forums, and I can see straight though it. In fact most of it looks like a copy and paste

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[DialTone]

I am not gonna disown my freinds and contacts because he tells me to. And the way he convinced guitar to take FMEF away from the general FME community was underhand and plain wrong. I note I am nod a moderator of that forum in fruitworkz- I should have been. After all I put many many hours into that project helping him overcome its various hurdles. That doesnt matter to AT. He is already calling it his own project, he has discarded all guitars imaging artwork like it was nothing and as far as he is concerned he is doing it with guitar and no one else gets near.

Who you associate with is precisely your choice. Of course it is. Unless you happen to be AT, or friends with AT btw: If you don't already know what I mean, then trust me that you'll soon learn that there are those who are hellbent on making it their life's mission to see to it that AT is never associated with by anyone. And that's bullying in anyone's book. Quite how this community has tolerated that for so many years I'm still at a loss to understand.

You know yourself what he has done over the years I am not allowing him to treat me like he has.

Can I just interject a moment to point out that were it not for AT (and my good self of course), there would never have been the MERC software, and thus possibly even public design tools (though that's now speculative of course as we'll never know what might have been).

Can I point out that there would have been no M1AEMU (which led directly to M1A being included in MFME I have no doubt, and without question led to my involvement with CW in MFME and the addition of many other techs, albeit with my role being something of an "apprentice's" as it were, but a keen, active and devoted participant nevertheless). Furthermore, were it not for AT, public MFME releases around that time would likely have been few and far between, if at all.

Can I also point out that there may well have been no public JPeMu (for a whole plethora of reasons I'm too exhausted to go into right now) and to reiterate that in spite of the leak of JPeMu by AT, another version was ultimately released to the public.

Just 3 points, but imho extremely crucial ones. Love or loathe him, as I have already stated his enthusiasm towards FME is (or was, certainly) bordering on obsessive.

Why anyway does one member have special privelage to the point where his name is automatcally blocked, but he himself can do as he pleases with us??

I have a better question... Why the f*** does it really matter?! lol I'm sure if you want your name blanking, you're savvy enough to know how to go about asking for that...

As for EPEE can we please not go down that road again- either talk about it properly or not at all.

most of the problem here is that no one tells it like it is.

joys of the internet eh?

Might I respectfully suggest that now is neither the time nor the place to go "down the EPEE" road? Whilst I believe that in many ways, that's led us to the situation that we're in today, I don't believe anything will be accomplished whilst it is used as a millstone in every argument surrounding AT (hence the brevity of my own mention of it). I'm sure there'll be a "right time" to discuss it, but I don't think the time is now.

DT

[DialTone]

Incidentally, as a side-issue, most who know me "of old" will know that I used to be more than happy to discuss issues like this either face-to-face or on a chatroom such as IRC. Unfortunately, the chatroom "of old" no longer exists. This is just a sign of the times as things have moved on, and I'm prepared to accept that and move on with them, but it's a little disappointing that despite there now being "credible" alternatives to that chatroom, they're so infrequently used by other FME members as to make them white elephants.

The IRC channel hosted on tveps is virtually useless as a credible discussion medium due to those involved, so we are left in this impasse whereby we have no other recourse than to play "forum post tennis" to try to resolve points, and that's so slow and tedious as to be counter-productive in and of itself. I'd love an opportunity to try to help resolve some of the problems that are inherent within the FME scene, but on the one hand it seems that there is a lack of genuine interest in doing so, and on the other hand I have to be mindful that my own personal situation is somewhat challenging for me to juggle and I must consider my "real" life before anything else.

I believe the expression is "Checkmate"?

DT

[£6 In Tokens]

For the last time.

Whatever Epee was/is or will continue to be. One thing that's for sure is that whatever it was or is it is no longer a public project and thus not worth wasting breath discussing.

Edit: I posted and edited this as I lowered myself to egging on, goading etc. A low blow, and unnecessary, nothing to do with this thread at all.

:devil:

Edited by £6 In Tokens, 27 March 2009 - 10:18 PM.

[Geddy]

This so called 'pure fantasy' that I was 'spouting' about other members might have seemed that way to you. However, it was simply "If you are going to attempt to run a successful forum you need to take into account that certain members will do their best to ruin it"

How about read only accounts or ban them if/after they break the rules like a normal place would do?

I pointed these members out to you (thanks for taking private conversation into the public forums, I really appreciate that !) as the members who I knew would take issue with me posting on your forum.

Pot kettle black, how many warning have you had for publishing private conversations now? Hypocrite. (Point 3/7/13)

I attempted to help Guitar with his emulator (see attempted, he was well within his rights to refuse what I was doing. Even if my work was shit hey, at least I was trying) at which point a certain member unsuprisingly took great issue with this and started spamming and trolling the thread in a blatant attempt to destroy it.

Yes we all know what happened after the mushy PMs. I also may point I was ‘trying’ first but took displeasure that all my hard work was going to be wasted since you were on board. You know things do not tend to run smoothly with you involved. Did you mention a user name there? (Point 3/4/7/12/13)

Contrary to what you seem to think I was not going to accept that. you had your chance to so something about it but refused. I decided I did not want to post on your forum any more.

Can you understand that yes? Personally I find that pretty reasonable, in the way that I am not going to take blatant abuse and sit back whilst nothing is done about it.

You mean you could not get your own way so took your ball home? AT look YOU are the only one posting foul and abusive posts. You did it at the mecca, here (ady) and at makic’sforums. So don’t come the ‘woe is me attitude’ everyone can read and know who is to blame. (Point 3/13)

As far as I am concerned FME has no sides. FME has no argument and it is what it is. Fruit machines being emulated. And to that ends I do not discriminate about who does it, or how they do it. They're perfectly entitled to do whatever they want with their forums (note their forums, as in their intellectual property) as is anyone else.

FME has no sides? So why is any member involved with DADsFME not allowed on your forum.... LIAR! That IS discrimination and my friend I think you will find discrimination is against the law. (Point 3)

I decided that your forum was not for me, as I wasn't going to waste my valuable time attempting to help someone with an emulator to better FME and take abuse for it. Does that sound fair too yes?

You mean for once one forum admin was not going to stand for your abusive posts and not allow you to post whatever shite you wanted to get your own way....... yip fair enough that is how I saw it also. (Point 12/13)

Please, don't even dare to play the "you haven't tried" card.

I have tried to do FME on every single damned forum on the internet that exists for it bar one. And I don't even need to name it or explain why. That is blatantly obvious.

And on every single one of those forums the admins and moderators there saw it more important to 'let people have their say' and thus allowed my on topic FME posts to be utterly dragged through the mud and destroyed forthwith.

You have not tried to get on or mend bridges..... there I dare!!!! Going to report me? You are without doubt the most protected member of any forum I have ever seen. You spout that much bullshite in PM so they don’t take action over you. For what you have done especially with cash for layouts and EPEE you should have been banned for life! (Point 3/4/6/12/13)

And thus I tried every single forum and at every single forum it was very clear to me that FME wasn't truly and transparently the main agenda.

And that's fine. We all need to do what we need to do in order to live a fulfilled life.

And thus I opened my forum.

Oh my God you have me in tears you really do...... what you actually mean is that for once some one dared grow a set of balls and stop you in your tracks. Good on them. (Point 3/12/13)

At the point of doing so (and let me inform you of this) Guitar had also had a belly full of the bullshit and was at a loose end. He also realised that you were taken with 'agendas other than fme' and realised it wasn't going to work on your forum. And this had nothing to do with me. He's a free person with his own free will.

I offered him a subforum at Fruitworkz and thus he accepted. I made him a moderator of his subforum and it is up to him to run it as he sees fit.

You mean after the planning in mushy PMs how you were going to effectively ‘steal’ FMEF away from Guitar (a user name) and make sure you could gleam more attention from it. (Point 12)

FMEF is not soley bound to Fruitworkz and never will be. There is of course a FMEF area there just as there is and was on other forums. If Guitar decides to use it? fine ! If not? that's his call. See, we decided that the offer should be made and we made it. It really is that simple.

Last I heard FMEF was no longer a publically developed emulator because Guitar (a user name) spat the dummy because of the first sign of ECD. This was done at DADsFME because amazingly folks thought he had made a poor judgement call. How dare they have an opinion different to a coders......how dare they!!!

OK regarding me reporting Dad to his hosts.

Yes I did. Want to know why?

Firstly I am not in a position in my life to act irresponsibly toward the gambling industry. That's all I am going to say, nuff said as it were.

See for that admission alone you should be banned from every FME forum, however you won’t be because certain admins do not have the balls.
Also since you have not worked in the UK since the onset of FME how the hell can you be in a position in life to be ‘fearful of the industry.’ This is Planet Earth mate.... not Fantasy Island. Just because you know someone who works near the industry does not automatically mean it effects you. Same for that NDA bullshite. (Point 2/3/4/6/7/11/12/13)

Secondly that layout was not posted there for any other reason than to goad me and attack me for deciding to have a few small t&c when it comes to the layouts that I produce (lest we not forget that !)

It was posted for the reasons said. I have a duty to the members of DADsFME and they are being discriminated against by you for no reason. The other reason it was posted to prove what a nasty spiteful individual you are when you cannot get your own way and yip I was proved right again. How many times it is now you have tried to take DADsFME down just because you cannot get your own way? (Point 11/12/13)

The only reason those T&C's were even put forth in the first place was because of history. I did it to represent myself as responsible and nothing more. The last thing I wanted of course was for them to be used in a manner to aim more vitriol at me. And they were, and thus I decided to do something about it.

No they were put there for attention seeking ways. Pure and simple. It was a control mechanism; you are trying again to control the scene again. Got to love that word ‘vitriol,’ did you and DT get it for Christmas? (Point 3/12/13)

That said, don't you dare to tell me I am 'low' or anything else. I am attacked, I do what I have to do to defend myself. However, you wouldn't understand that seeing as I have been (unfortunately) directed to a good few posts where you bad mouth me on a forum I can not and will not.. yawn.

You are the lowest of the low, actually you like reporting things don’t you? It is okay it took me six months but I got through it and you failed again.
You are not being attacked paranoid man. You are the one doing the abusing. Look recently at the attack on Ady for NO reason other than he voiced a differing opinon.......eeee how DARE HE!!! (Point 12/13)

So if you want to look for whose fault that is look in the mirror. I will only take so much. Words? I can take plenty and have for the past seven years. Please do not even dare to assume that you know how my thought process works.

Actually I do know how your thought process works, I work with younger versions of you every day. It is my job to understand people’s thought patterns and I am well qualified to do so. Do you want me to take a total stab in the dark and tell you what your thought processes are. (In fact I think I already have..) (Point 3/7/12/13)

For many many years I put my layouts in the most open accessible places (ff does not require registration to download attatchments) however because of the constant onslaught of bullshit (bullshit you are recently guilty of yourself) I have had to take action to protect myself and my interests.

Yeah so has everyone else so what makes you so special? What are you actually trying to protect yourself from? The Darleks or something? What is it in that head of yours that makes you so paranoid? (That was rhetorical I know the answer.) (Point 12/13)

[Geddy]

Part II

As for your accusations of me threatening Harvey.

Instead of listening to rumour you should try asking for the facts.

Like some other members Harvey decided to embark on a vitriolic campaign against me. However, he decided to use the front page of his website to do so. At which point I said I would go to his house and knock on his door in order to resolve it like gentlemen.

He failed to grasp that things that happen on the internet can affect someone's real life, so I said that maybe if the internet stepped into his real life he might understand.

Which tbh I said out of total frustration and because I felt completely stresed about about the hate campaign being aimed at me. Again something you will never understand because instead of being the one recieving all of this vitriol you are one of the few dishing it out.

The problem arose of course when a certain member decided to cross reference my post to Harvey with another one I had made trying to track down and old friend of mine. Of course, the person who did the tracking openly posted to say it wasn't Harvey I asked him to look for and since then I have emailed harvey with the address of this person who used to live there so he can see for himself.

The fact is I called Harvey's bluff and never did and still do not have his address. Now I'm sharp enough to realise that if I really wanted to I could have found him. But thankfully he has accepted my motives and reasons for saying what I did and we have moved on.

And those motives were literally a last ditch act out of desperation to stop someone from continuing a campaign of hate and spite toward me.

Did we mention anyone's name in that bit above by any chance?
There is that word again.....vitriol. Nice. However let’s have a look at the real facts should we?
Firstly out of pure attention seeking and sympathy attempts you plastered your image, name, car, sign posts near where you live and various other personal information all over the internet. That was YOU doing that not anyone else. Now once you have done that I believe we are talking public domain, or at least the horse has bolted. So it is totally unreasonable for you when it suits to try and undo YOUR actions and blame your misgivings on everyone else. You can’t expect people to undo what you did yourself and that is what you were trying to do in the case of DIF. You made a threat that you were going to pay Mr House a visit and sort it out like gentleman, you also made it abundantly clear to him to make sure the kids were not around in case it got messy.
I take it I am ‘certain member.’ However it was not me who made the link and a thread you posted weeks before hand. The whole threat thing got more focus when two and two were put together when AT posted a thread asking how he could find an old friend in the UK. Shit this old friend just happened to be in the same area as Mr House. It was obvious to anyone with two brain cells what your motives were and out of this thread DIF was closed down. How many FME sites now have you tried to close since you cannot get your own way?
Then of course we have the other threats you have made..... I can’t mention too much detail regarding last year’s reports (as a case is being prepared) however shall we say when the allegation was made you then buggered off for a year whilst it blew over........mmmmm.
Also we have this – ‘LMAO. Maybe living so close to that sewage plant has had adverse effects on you because you still don't get it, do you?’ So there you go you are now posting that you know where I live and if you continue reading that post you threaten me. Stalker boy. (Point 3/4/6/11/12/13)

I don't want to make this personal but I know you have a child with some difficulties (I have mentioned this in private chats) but you have also posted on the mecca about it and I read it (so its public information).

Tell me. How would you feel if someone at school bullies him and makes his life completely miserable?

Would you get angry? maybe start shouting?

Relevance your honour!!!! (Point 10)

I have plenty of conviction in my actions thanks.

I don't, however, enjoy going on a forum in order to make someone's life a f*****g misery.

So why do it? However you now seem to have progressed to real life misery as well. (Point 12)

Therefore in complete honesty I don't want to use people's names or usernames or full names or last names or ex usernames BLAH BLAH.

Yeah that is right how many times have I seen you use real names like Alex, Tony, Ian, Pete, Harv, Peter, Nick, Kevin etc etc and now loads of ‘Guitars’ in this post....... LIAR! (Point 3)

Personally I would absolutely love to just be able to log onto the internet for ONE f*****g DAY and not see some #@#@#@# slagging me off all over every single FME forum that exists.

That is easy..... stop posting shite and lies and just get on with releasing layouts NORMALLY like everyone else does. You don’t see anyone else fighting so you are the only common factor. (Point 7/12/13)

I explained it before. I'm not confrontational unless I am provoked and I am useless at arguing. TBH? When I joined FME back in 2000 I wasn't aware that it was one of the required qualifications.

Yes that is another trait........ thanks for that. (Point 6)

YOU might be able to carry on slagging people off using every name in history for them but I would much rather get the f*** on with some FME.

Off you go then stop spouting crap on this forum..... (Point 12/13)

Quite simply I am a grafter. I come from a family of grafters and my main philosophy in life is actions speak louder than words.

Bhawawawawawawawaw...... oooooooooo.........bhawawawawawaw. Sponger you mean not grafter. (Point 6/7/12)

Thus, I don't scurry around every last f*****g forum on the internet replying to your constant bullshit accusations. Because I would rather spend my time on FME.

What you doing now then? (Point 13)

Sure, I've made some pretty outlandish posts. Ones that often don't make sense. That's nothing but trying to DEFEND myself (because I always seem to be on the f*****g backfoot) against outlandish stupid accusations and attacks performed AGAINST me.

Actually everything I have ever accused you of you have done and basically admitted to doing so what is your point. Problem is that everything you have accused me of I have not done and hence we have this problem. (Point 3/6/7/12/13)

Your ultimate goal in FME may well be destroying my good name. Mine is bringing fruit machines to justice.

What good name? Your name is like mud hence you feel the need to change it every few months. Actually according to the post at the mecca you were just here to watch FME die? Or was that another lie? The MPU Mecca - View Single Post - Sorry, but I have to.... (Point 3/4/7/12/13)

It's pretty f*****g clear we have different agendas and could not possibly be any more different in personality and that's why I haven't played you at your own game.

Yeah I know I am perfectly stable and intelligent hence we are different. I work hard in a difficult profession and you erm well you know. I have a great family and kids and you have your glass scans. I’m so glad I am not you. (Point 12/13)

If you want to go around flinging shit? that's fine. When it involves me to the point that I feel I have to do something? I will.

Go on keep digging that grave, a nice e-threat there thanks. (Point 11)

I don't look for thanks, I hardly get any. I don't do it for attention as you seem to think because even you should have the intelligence to work out that ALL I GET IS CRAP.

You don’t do it for attention? Are you barking? Everything you do is based solely on how much attention you can gain from it. That is what your kind thrive on. Do not insult my or anyone else’s intelligence by trying to make us think otherwise.
If you did not want attention you would not open your own forum. You would not try to get high up every coders arse as possible, you would not manipulate the scene for your own ends, you would not keep changing nicks, you would not post all the begging sobbers, you would not try time after time to get people into trouble who dared to cross you....... you my friend are a classic case. (Point 3/4/7/12/13)

Sure, there are many that talk the good fight. Many who moderate forums and claim to be an FME enthusiast and say it's their hobby. Yet over five years I could count the ammount of FME they have actually done and provided on one hand.

Well that is the problem isn’t it. Why should folks contribute to something you have done your best to destroy time after time? Why for instance should I spend most hours of two weekends making layouts for an emulator that is now not public or that you have a hand in? (Point 12/13)

You might need this post - FMEF Cancelled Layouts - An Explaination for 'cross-ref' purposes.

[Geddy]

My comments were not about listing the things that you perceive him to have done to have damaged the scene - I even stated that, so no I do not want you to list them any more than I am about to list the numerous ways that you yourself have been directly and extremely incidental in harming FME.

Perceive? Do you not mean 'actually done?' Looks like I am going to have to list them eh?

As for what I have done wrong am I still waiting for proof. Let me see are we talking about rom floods and Re-A?

Shine some light time. According to you AT did not kill the scene with the leak of jpemu since we had another release after that. So going along those lines since the original flood happened before that event I have done nothing wrong. That is your logic not mine. Also we still have access to BBS sites so the rom floods did not bugger that either. You logic is very flawed on the rom flood accusation. All the rom floods did was bring your hoarded little selection of roms to the general public. I'm quite proud of that fact actually.
Next Re-A. AT accuses me of making him quit because I posted a Hellsbells rom that apparently has his real name in the alpha. Haha. Well to address that for starters there was no such rom at that time and all Dutch BFM roms are/were freely avaialble at the EuroCoin www site. That is where I got all the Dutch BFM roms so how can posting a publically available rom do any damage? haha..... belter.
Also you will find (since I was in contact a great deal with Re-A) he left because he came dissolusioned with the scene because he had been 'ripped' off code wise by CW and felt under valued that Pete made a conversion tool to basically make his work redundant. Now whose story sounds more plausable? Mine or ATs?

I trust you'll be holding up your hands then for your own less-than-innocuous actions and finally accepting responsibility for them? I suspect not, based on your track record thus far.

Explained above..... when you know the FULL facts of anything let me know and I will try to address your concerns then. Thanks.

I don't condone reporting FME sites to hosts, generally speaking, and here I make no exception.

Good...... so the reporting of DADs AGAIN goes down as another 'less-than-innocuous' crime against FME for AT..... or is that just bad perception on my behalf?

As for stealing/leaking emulators, personal threats etc etc, I guess you'd no more than me how that works?

Nope never stole an emu, never leaked one, never made personal real life threats. I think you will find that is all AT so you best ask him how all that works.

[Mr House]

Also you will find (since I was in contact a great deal with Re-A) he left because he came dissolusioned with the scene because he had been 'ripped' off code wise by CW and felt under valued that Pete made a conversion tool to basically make his work redundant. Now whose story sounds more plausable? Mine or ATs?

Complete and utter bullshit.

Chris may not have publicly had an emu running at that time, but just because he was developing his own emulation of the same technology does not mean that he used RA's code. He did not.

Pete made a conversion tool because RA's emulation with awkard to use compared to MFME and JPEMU. MFME opened up the emulation of the scorpion tech to far more people then whatever RA's did.

To set the record straight...

THEY WERE BOTH SEPERATE EMUALTION PROJECTS THAT TOOK NOTHING FROM EACH OTHER

...RA's lost out to MFME due to the easy nature to make layouts with it. Pete made a tool to help people convert them to MFME and the rest is history.

[Geddy]

Complete and utter bullshit.

Well we will just have to agree to disagree on that one then eh?

Chris may not have publicly had an emu running at that time, but just because he was developing his own emulation of the same technology does not mean that he used RA's code. He did not.

I was told different.

To set the record straight...

THEY WERE BOTH SEPERATE EMUALTION PROJECTS THAT TOOK NOTHING FROM EACH OTHER

...RA's lost out to MFME due to the easy nature to make layouts with it. Pete made a tool to help people convert them to MFME and the rest is history.

Yeah it is history.... however we all know CW does not like his thunder stolen don't we?
Both reasons I stated are why Re-A felt he was no longer needed in this scene. Or was it because someone posted a rom.... mmmmmmm.