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#161 Mr House

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 02:41 PM

I was told different.


Well RA may have got bugs up his arse because he was not the only coder who has abilities to make an emulator - and if he is believed (or anyone else) that his code was used, then whoever is saying this is welcome to live in that fantasy world.

As for 'thunder stolen', WTF?

Why was Wizard so upset when S4 and MPU5 were leaked?

If he wanted 'thunder', then he would have relased them and I think this draws a line under that as S4 and MPU5 are a hell of a bigger draw then what S2 would ever be.

Geddy says he was told different and just for the record, so was I. Whether this is true or not I don't know but according to what I was led to believe Re-A provided code to help CW get the sound working on SC2 and got pissed off when he got nothing in return.


Not true - the proof is that Wizard gave us all those techs before, followed by S2 and the finally S4 and MPU5 (although the last two were not his choice to give out).

He needed no help in doing what he did - there is no way that anyone should try to pin RA leaving on Wizard, there is no connection here at all apart from they both worked on emulators and MFME ran better then RA's (who sadly I can't even remember the name of).

Whatever the reason RA left, even if he gave out that reason, Wizard never used his code and no matter what anyone says, nothing can take away the achievments that we have in regards to MFME so please do not wallpaper a man who is no longer around (yet given so much) as a code thief which he is not.

I am actually very disapointed in anyone that thinks he would be - it shows how much of a tainted vision of FME that this community lives in.

People begin to believe their own lies.

The lies develop new lies of their own and the circle continues.

Why the f*** can't people lay down arms, move on from the past and design layouts which is a common goal that should be core to FME.

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 02:48 PM

Re-A provided code to help CW get the sound working on SC2 and got pissed off when he got nothing in return.



So he wanted all the non public emulators and then f***ed off because he didnt get them?

Or did he merely just want a thank you?

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 02:57 PM

Why the f*** can't people lay down arms, move on from the past and design layouts which is a common goal that should be core to FME.



Myself and someone else will shortly be releasing 2 classic layouts of machines that have never been done before, then after that I am out of here for the purpose of designing layouts and sourcing resources.

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 03:08 PM

As for 'thunder stolen', WTF?


Aww come on you know... he wanted to be the only coder in FME land. history tells us that.

Whatever the reason RA left, even if he gave out that reason, Wizard never used his code and no matter what anyone says, nothing can take away the achievments that we have in regards to MFME so please do not wallpaper a man who is no longer around (yet given so much) as a code thief which he is not.


How do you know for certain he never used his code? Why should I believe what CW says as opposed to Re-A?

I am actually very disapointed in anyone that thinks he would be - it shows how much of a tainted vision of FME that this community lives in.


Of course you are because you are a CW fanboy. You have been in his IC since God knows when so you obviously cannot provide an impartial view.

Why the f*** can't people lay down arms, move on from the past and design layouts which is a common goal that should be core to FME.


Mainly because issues like this have arisen over the last two months stop us from doing so.

Also why can't CW lay down his grudges and forgive those who have wronged him and start releasing new MFME versions again? Maybe if he set a example then God knows what might happen.

I would love nothing else as to visit all FME forums, read all the posts, contribute in a friendly witty fashion, enjoy a laugh and basically move forward with the scene HOWEVER for that to happen some people have to do something that they WILL NEVER do so that is hardly my fault.

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 03:09 PM

So he wanted all the non public emulators and then f***ed off because he didnt get them?


Who did Re-A or Wizard?

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 03:16 PM

Re-A. (notice the full stop, had to put that in to get the 5 characters minimum) <--- DOH!

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 03:39 PM

Re-A. (notice the full stop, had to put that in to get the 5 characters minimum) <--- DOH!


No then. Re-A just wanted folk to appreciated his work I guess.

He did not want control over all the public emulators. Maybe Wizard did though?

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 11:59 PM

I wasn't going to be arsed really to write a detailed reply - my earlier replies seem largely to have fallen on deaf ears tbh, but there were a few points I felt needed clarification, if only for the benefit of other scene members...

Whether you accept it or not Trouty, you were somewhat complicit in the leak of the S4/MPU5 emulators, and as you might put it "I have the evidence to prove it". We all know the actual source of the leak was Gary (directly or indirectly), but you sure had a part to play. That was, without question, the most damaging act ever taken with relation to the FME scene. It might not seem like it whilst you're sitting there playing S4/MPU5 machines, and I know that you've deluded yourself with the belief that writing FME emulators is such a rewarding occupation that "they'll" be queueing out of the door to fill the void left by MFME (whoever "they" might be, I don't know?), but imho it will be extremely difficult to move on from that. There's a whole slew of knock-on effects too that you can only begin to consider.

In terms of the BBS flood, I've tried to explain the ramifications of that to you many times previously, so I'm not going to waste my breath trying again. That you choose to be so belligerent about the whole thing demonstrates, to me, that your main interest here is in aggrandizing your personal ROM collection (and that of your fellow ROM-hoarders) and not FME per se. The idea was never to "hoard" ROMs from other people, but simply to handle the situation in the most appropriate fashion. At the time, withholding unemulatable or "risque" ROMs seemed the most appropriate thing to do (after all, what use is an FME ROM if it isn't playable, except of course to those who are focussing on that very issue of playability lol! Quite ironically, they were the ones who were ultimately denied access to the resources required to service that issue!) - many people I am certain had managed to acquire copies "under the counter" as it were, and it was the "make public and be damned" attitude that was so damaging in both the short- and long-term.

It must be said that I don't at all "get along" with Mr House or CW any longer (and that's a private matter not open for discussion), but I really ought, morally, to stand up and confirm what he is saying: To suggest that CW 'copied' code from Re-A is, frankly, utterly preposterous.

Re-A is an extremely talented guy for sure, but to suggest such falsehoods about CW simply belittles his equally extreme talents for emulation. I'm sure that some information concerning S2 was passed to him, and I'm also sure by whom. I have a fair recollection of the incident concerned and as I recall, he courteously accepted the information proffered with thanks. As I was working him on MFME at the time, however, I can assure you that S2 was running just fine bar a minor bank-switching issue that he had not yet had the time to investigate (for S2 was not the only tech being worked on). Given that the sound technology in question was identical to that used in IMPACT, and that he'd already implemented it in IMPACT, I hardly think it likely that he would have at all been stumped by it!

The truth of the situation, I feel, is that certain individuals, possibly including Re-A although I can't say with any degree of certainty, wanted access to the source code of MFME, ostensibly I believe for the S4 and MPU5 emulation information (and perhaps others?). Re-A certainly had the technical knowledge and skills to implement S4, but held back from doing so due to his professional commitments I understood. Chris was, understandably, proud of his accomplishments in respect of both technologies and ultimately was giving serious consideration to the release of S4... it is my honest impression that its release was fairly imminent.

MPU5 was never a contender due to its still being a current technology (at that time) used by Barcrest Group and due to the litigious nature of Barcrest: CW you may recall had already experienced that earlier for different reasons. From a technical standpoint, there are reasons why he felt that its emulation was something of a "grey" area legally, hence his decision to withhold it for the time being, but I'm not prepared to elaborate on that. Obviously, his hand was forced, so to speak, and the rest of course is history, along with MFME it appears.

Re-A simply left because he became disillusioned with the whole thing, and because I believe he felt that the inclusion of S2 in MFME somewhat trod on his toes with respect to BFMu.

Also why can't CW lay down his grudges and forgive those who have wronged him and start releasing new MFME versions again? Maybe if he set a example then God knows what might happen.

I would love nothing else as to visit all FME forums, read all the posts, contribute in a friendly witty fashion, enjoy a laugh and basically move forward with the scene HOWEVER for that to happen some people have to do something that they WILL NEVER do so that is hardly my fault.


{CLICHE-WARNING}There's an expression... "Once bitten, twice shy". I'll be damned if I know how it continues beyond there. Because continue it did. Not once, twice, three times, four times but many many times. Perhaps he's simply run out of olive branches, or perhaps he is no longer interested in developing MFME any more? The way it seems to me, though, is that there is only one "winning" position for him to take, and that's never to release another MFME version again. I don't know CW particularly well in all honesty, but I am fairly sure that he will have been left feeling extremely hurt, frustrated and disappointed by the turns of events - I know I have!

I've read so many posts that (effectively) demonstrate an attitude of wanting one's cake and eating it by several "key" FME members, as well as numerous shows of blatant disrespect. If you're the one who's being disrespectful, it's all too easy to say "Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't mean any of it - let's start on a fresh footing", but it's even harder if you're the one being disrespected to effectively take the onus of making the first move, especially when the offered truces, olive branches, call them what you will come across as being as shallow as a piss in the desert.

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Posted 29 March 2009 - 12:32 AM

So is anyone working on an electrocoin emulator?

I have quite a set of roms for these.

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Posted 29 March 2009 - 01:17 AM

How about read only accounts or ban them if/after they break the rules like a normal place would do?



Pot kettle black, how many warning have you had for publishing private conversations now? Hypocrite. (Point 3/7/13)



Yes we all know what happened after the mushy PMs. I also may point I was ‘trying’ first but took displeasure that all my hard work was going to be wasted since you were on board. You know things do not tend to run smoothly with you involved. Did you mention a user name there? (Point 3/4/7/12/13)



You mean you could not get your own way so took your ball home? AT look YOU are the only one posting foul and abusive posts. You did it at the mecca, here (ady) and at makic’sforums. So don’t come the ‘woe is me attitude’ everyone can read and know who is to blame. (Point 3/13)



FME has no sides? So why is any member involved with DADsFME not allowed on your forum.... LIAR! That IS discrimination and my friend I think you will find discrimination is against the law. (Point 3)



You mean for once one forum admin was not going to stand for your abusive posts and not allow you to post whatever shite you wanted to get your own way....... yip fair enough that is how I saw it also. (Point 12/13)



You have not tried to get on or mend bridges..... there I dare!!!! Going to report me? You are without doubt the most protected member of any forum I have ever seen. You spout that much bullshite in PM so they don’t take action over you. For what you have done especially with cash for layouts and EPEE you should have been banned for life! (Point 3/4/6/12/13)



Oh my God you have me in tears you really do...... what you actually mean is that for once some one dared grow a set of balls and stop you in your tracks. Good on them. (Point 3/12/13)



You mean after the planning in mushy PMs how you were going to effectively ‘steal’ FMEF away from Guitar (a user name) and make sure you could gleam more attention from it. (Point 12)



Last I heard FMEF was no longer a publically developed emulator because Guitar (a user name) spat the dummy because of the first sign of ECD. This was done at DADsFME because amazingly folks thought he had made a poor judgement call. How dare they have an opinion different to a coders......how dare they!!!



See for that admission alone you should be banned from every FME forum, however you won’t be because certain admins do not have the balls.
Also since you have not worked in the UK since the onset of FME how the hell can you be in a position in life to be ‘fearful of the industry.’ This is Planet Earth mate.... not Fantasy Island. Just because you know someone who works near the industry does not automatically mean it effects you. Same for that NDA bullshite. (Point 2/3/4/6/7/11/12/13)



It was posted for the reasons said. I have a duty to the members of DADsFME and they are being discriminated against by you for no reason. The other reason it was posted to prove what a nasty spiteful individual you are when you cannot get your own way and yip I was proved right again. How many times it is now you have tried to take DADsFME down just because you cannot get your own way? (Point 11/12/13)



No they were put there for attention seeking ways. Pure and simple. It was a control mechanism; you are trying again to control the scene again. Got to love that word ‘vitriol,’ did you and DT get it for Christmas? (Point 3/12/13)



You are the lowest of the low, actually you like reporting things don’t you? It is okay it took me six months but I got through it and you failed again.
You are not being attacked paranoid man. You are the one doing the abusing. Look recently at the attack on Ady for NO reason other than he voiced a differing opinon.......eeee how DARE HE!!! (Point 12/13)



Actually I do know how your thought process works, I work with younger versions of you every day. It is my job to understand people’s thought patterns and I am well qualified to do so. Do you want me to take a total stab in the dark and tell you what your thought processes are. (In fact I think I already have..) (Point 3/7/12/13)



Yeah so has everyone else so what makes you so special? What are you actually trying to protect yourself from? The Darleks or something? What is it in that head of yours that makes you so paranoid? (That was rhetorical I know the answer.) (Point 12/13)


I suppose that noone ever taught you how stupid it makes you look when you mass quote a post that was never even made to you?

They have now. Not only is it rude but it's also pretty stupid.

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Posted 29 March 2009 - 08:49 AM

So is anyone working on an electrocoin emulator?

I have quite a set of roms for these.


Not that I'm aware of - which electrocoin tech are you talking about? Presumably the bar-x style board as opposed to the labyrinth etc?

I'd have thought they would be a little tricky due to the PIC protection on the program card?

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Not that I'm aware of - which electrocoin tech are you talking about? Presumably the bar-x style board as opposed to the labyrinth etc?

I'd have thought they would be a little tricky due to the PIC protection on the program card?

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I recall you telling me once that you'd looked at this tech with a view to possibly emulating it. Obviously its bloody tricky but how far did you get?

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Posted 29 March 2009 - 10:28 AM

{CLICHE-WARNING}There's an expression... "Once bitten, twice shy".


Ah the penny drops..... pity a great deal of members do not comply to that cliche in respects to 'certain members' and neither do you. :bigeyes09:

Once bitten - begging for cash/ciggies for layouts.

Twice bitten - was MERC a good idea or did CW endorse it?

Thrice bitten - leaking jpemu

Fouth time bitten - blaming leaks/hacking accounts on others because they did not give in to him.

Fifth time bitten - stealing emulators from a close friend.

Sixth time bitten - using said emulators to amass a hoard of layouts he later tried to sell for $500.

SeVen th time bitten - The whole EPEE bollocks. Along with claiming to have coded epee and jpemu v3. (FF to it's knees.)

Eighth time bitten - using more hoarded layouts to use as 'bribes' for donations. Ordering members to pay at least a tenner to this site even though he is as tight as a fishes arse and never contributed a penny in cash to this site.

Ninth time bitten - wanting the scene his way or no way by setting up a forum for attention seeking ways (see QH at mecca) and thus discriminating against FME members.

Tenth time bitten - Breaking up the original FMEF Dev team so he could be up another coders arse.

Eleventh time bitten - Reporting FME sites (again) to hosts in the vane attempt to close them down because again he could not get his own way.

Twelth time bitten - foul and abusive posts. (Re: Ady here not long ago.)

Thirteenth time bitten - Stalking FME members to obtain home address (See FF thread, my old firend in the uk and 'sewage plant' post at mecca.)

Fourteenth time bitten - Using said information to threaten a FME member with violence (will try to squirm out of this.) Thus causing the closure of another FME site.

Fifteeth time bitten - Other more serious real life reports (Sorry cannot divulge too much as case is being prepared.)

Sixteenth time bitten - Claiming the host of this site was indulging in breaking the DPA. Court still out on this one I believe.



So there you go DT. You cannot spout about why CW (or even yourself) will not continue to release emulators due to 'once bitten etc' when all along the scene must continue to abide by Andy even though he has bitten so many times.

(Now don't reply to this post Andy as it will make you look stupid by your thinking..... you have your own forum to post your blinkered bullshit on.)

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Posted 29 March 2009 - 10:29 AM

I suppose that noone ever taught you how stupid it makes you look when you mass quote a post that was never even made to you?

They have now. Not only is it rude but it's also pretty stupid.


Erm if it was not meant for me use PM..... it is a public forum you choob.

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Posted 29 March 2009 - 10:37 AM

The money was offered to send the chips off to get the PIC done (Or whatever it is that needs doing) but this was not taken up.

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Posted 29 March 2009 - 11:29 AM

Not that I'm aware of - which electrocoin tech are you talking about? Presumably the bar-x style board as opposed to the labyrinth etc?

I'd have thought they would be a little tricky due to the PIC protection on the program card?

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This is a screeny of one of my electrocoin folders. Means diddly squat to me though.

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Posted 29 March 2009 - 11:37 AM

And this is another

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Posted 29 March 2009 - 11:40 AM

Ah the penny drops..... pity a great deal of members do not comply to that cliche in respects to 'certain members' and neither do you. :bigeyes09:


Yawn! As before, misinterpretation of my comments used to try to make a point rather than addressing the essence of the points I raised, hence...

I wasn't going to be arsed really to write a detailed reply - my earlier replies seem largely to have fallen on deaf ears tbh,


QED.

Once bitten - begging for cash/ciggies for layouts.

Twice bitten - was MERC a good idea or did CW endorse it?

Thrice bitten - leaking jpemu

Fouth time bitten - blaming leaks/hacking accounts on others because they did not give in to him.

Fifth time bitten - stealing emulators from a close friend.

Sixth time bitten - using said emulators to amass a hoard of layouts he later tried to sell for $500.

SeVen th time bitten - The whole EPEE bollocks. Along with claiming to have coded epee and jpemu v3. (FF to it's knees.)

Eighth time bitten - using more hoarded layouts to use as 'bribes' for donations. Ordering members to pay at least a tenner to this site even though he is as tight as a fishes arse and never contributed a penny in cash to this site.

Ninth time bitten - wanting the scene his way or no way by setting up a forum for attention seeking ways (see QH at mecca) and thus discriminating against FME members.

Tenth time bitten - Breaking up the original FMEF Dev team so he could be up another coders arse.

Eleventh time bitten - Reporting FME sites (again) to hosts in the vane attempt to close them down because again he could not get his own way.

Twelth time bitten - foul and abusive posts. (Re: Ady here not long ago.)

Thirteenth time bitten - Stalking FME members to obtain home address (See FF thread, my old firend in the uk and 'sewage plant' post at mecca.)

Fourteenth time bitten - Using said information to threaten a FME member with violence (will try to squirm out of this.) Thus causing the closure of another FME site.

Fifteeth time bitten - Other more serious real life reports (Sorry cannot divulge too much as case is being prepared.)

Sixteenth time bitten - Claiming the host of this site was indulging in breaking the DPA. Court still out on this one I believe.


Whoosh! Again, point missed. When you are prepared to respond directly to points raised rather than distort them in order to make your own counter-attack, I'll give your comments due consideration. Until then, it's all too boring for words!

So there you go DT. You cannot spout about why CW (or even yourself) will not continue to release emulators due to 'once bitten etc' when all along the scene must continue to abide by Andy even though he has bitten so many times.


Apples and oranges. Again, until you are able to use comparable analogies instead of jumbling up a collection of irrelevant and evasive counter-attacks, there is nothing of merit to be responded to. EDIT: For instance, addressing points raised instead of responding in a "Wah! But he did this!" manner, even with apparent deference to the contextual differences between everything mentioned.

(Now don't reply to this post Andy as it will make you look stupid by your thinking..... you have your own forum to post your blinkered bullshit on.)


Pot... Kettle... Black? You were the one who seemed intent on replying to posts made on one forum on another forum entirely and so on... Or do you mean that because Andy has his own (private) forum he is no longer entitled to post on other (public) forums? Oh dear :(

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Edited by DialTone, 29 March 2009 - 12:03 PM.


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Posted 29 March 2009 - 11:49 AM

The money was offered to send the chips off to get the PIC done (Or whatever it is that needs doing) but this was not taken up.


I said that I'd have thought the PIC stuff would make life tricky, although I didn't say it made it impossible. Perhaps the reason the offer was not uptaken was either that (a) nobody is either working on an electrocoin emulator currently, (B) nobody is interested in working on one any time soon or © Emulation of Electrocoin may not require that, or (d) your (financial) input is not desired due to the conditions that in itself might impose? I have no idea, but it's hardly rocket science to make an educated guess that it's one or more of the above, surely?

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Posted 29 March 2009 - 11:55 AM

I recall you telling me once that you'd looked at this tech with a view to possibly emulating it. Obviously its bloody tricky but how far did you get?


I did make a certain amount of progress, but was covered by NDA regarding it. I'm probably not any longer, but suffice to say I haven't revisited it in some time, and that I don't have a working emulation.

This is a screeny of one of my electrocoin folders. Means diddly squat to me though.



Doesn't mean much to me either actually! lol - Looks like something one of Trouty's dat files might have produced where all the ROMs are unhelpfully merged together making it hard to identify bona-fide ROM pairings etc. Certainly tells me you mean the bar-x tech though, but unless you have dumps of the PICs along with them, it'd be difficult to give any kind of prognosis as to whether they could be emulated.

EDIT: Just looked at the pictures again and I see these are "modern" electrocoin machines. Not sure if those use the same tech as the "classic" bar-x/bar-7 etc machines, so I'm not sure at all about any of it.

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Edited by DialTone, 29 March 2009 - 12:01 PM.





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