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[DaemonX]

well altogether on top of the 6k in i put 69 quid in for 900 out of now

Feel free to share the secrets after all, you were winning big before he'd even posted the correct files.

Maybe it's linked online, as pies is winning, nobody else will kinda like those 126,000,000,000 player party time machines.

[theabbey]

We all know pies is playing the machine in his sleep, As i can prove exactly hows it paying out lol
I just finished another session on it. Played 300 quid, Won 666 and running at %222
Overall i am now nearly 7k in and just under 2k out, % is at %29
So to all you doubters on it paying its % out after 6k brute force
Nahnah nah
I dont think i can be arsed to carry on now,As we all know it will pay its %
As for you pies, Why insult us with your bullshit ?
yes i was a kid once, But i cant for my life see why you need to post that rubbish ?
You would get more respect if you post what you had for tea in any chat Than that trash you put up here.

[theabbey]

Ok i must be f*****g sad.
Another update for you doubters.
Exactly 7k in and its paid out £2548 %36.40
And now it seems to be really flying.
I just got my biggest win (remember i am collecting like i would for real)
I got £40 on cash ladder and used my shots to get 2 knockouts and it went to £100.
Next feature £1 after i got £40 again and got 1 ko and it went to £60.
Im of to work now, My missus is taking over lmao.

[Chopaholic]

I had this one out (with fruitman69 I believe ) back on the old JPeMu Forums about Club Royal Flush, making exactly the same argument as letemspin - in that case it was a £250 JP clubber basically running at 0% with £1250 in from a factory reset and still refusing point blank to drop the JP.

fruitman told me I was playing it all wrong and that wasn't the way to get it to percentage and all the rest of it, which turned out to be quite true but the argument then holds true now, that the 'man on the street' would have every right to expect a machine advertising an 80% payout to cough a jackpot when many multiples of that jackpot have been played through with nothing having been collected.

Machines were bent then unless you had the knowledge, and they're still bent now.

Let's not forget that fruitman69 make an absolute f*****g killing on Grandslam £1000 'cause he sussed out how the code was working and knew how get them running massively over percentage, leaving poor folks like letemspin to pick up the pieces....

I can't complain really, despite many years of getting nailed by AWPs I did for a couple of years manage to make a good chunk of cash back (nothing like my losses mind), because I knew about the knockbacks and/or forcing on Barcrests, the SSS trick on Mazoomas, the Vivid double-pot method and so on, and I ruthlessly exploited them whilst I could.

All in all, fruities are a bent game at every level, you either get bent to make some money yourself, or you get f***ed.

This $&%#y pile of shit clubber is just another prime example of that

[theabbey]

I had this one out (with fruitman69 I believe ) back on the old JPeMu Forums about Club Royal Flush, making exactly the same argument as letemspin - in that case it was a £250 JP clubber basically running at 0% with £1250 in from a factory reset and still refusing point blank to drop the JP.

fruitman told me I was playing it all wrong and that wasn't the way to get it to percentage and all the rest of it, which turned out to be quite true but the argument then holds true now, that the 'man on the street' would have every right to expect a machine advertising an 80% payout to cough a jackpot when many multiples of that jackpot have been played through with nothing having been collected.

Machines were bent then unless you had the knowledge, and they're still bent now.

Let's not forget that fruitman69 make an absolute f*****g killing on Grandslam £1000 'cause he sussed out how the code was working and knew how get them running massively over percentage, leaving poor folks like letemspin to pick up the pieces....

I can't complain really, despite many years of getting nailed by AWPs I did for a couple of years manage to make a good chunk of cash back (nothing like my losses mind), because I knew about the knockbacks and/or forcing on Barcrests, the SSS trick on Mazoomas, the Vivid double-pot method and so on, and I ruthlessly exploited them whilst I could.

All in all, fruities are a bent game at every level, you either get bent to make some money yourself, or you get f***ed.

This $&%#y pile of shit clubber is just another prime example of that

Nice post chopaholic.
Another example why i dont play any modern machines anymore.

[piesthecat]

Well extra 300 quid on top of the 6k and i have had 1245 quid out

[letemspin]

How can you even compare a vegas slot with a uk machine since when can you brute force a vegas slot when you cannot throw wins away... ?

Of course they are comparable - they are both fruit machines, and both advertise a supposedly 'minimum' payout percentage. In the case of the random vegas type slot which has a properly externally regulated, authenticated core code and RNG, I have reasonable confidence that the advertised payout% is achieved over a reasonable number of games. 90% @ $100,000 played will give $90,000 return or something very close to it, no complaints there. (And I might add, plenty of these random type slots will also allow wins to be 'thrown away' as you put it, i.e. gambled).

Conversely, what we appear to have here is a high stake, high JP UK fruit machine which no doubt is advertised with a minimum payout of 80% (and is actually set at 90% as emulated), yet which appears to allow £6000 to be played with only a 3% return? That's outrageous and a blatent con in mine, and any sensible person's book. Sorry, but only those with a vested interest one way or another would try to argue otherwise, thus making themselves look pretty foolish in the process.

If a machine is advertised as having a minimum payout of 80% with no caveats like 'depending on how played' it should do precisely that, end of story. Sure, good playing strategies can be rewarded and bad ones punished, but only up to a point. If a machine is consistently played 'badly' to the extent that it has become many thousands of pounds below minimum payout, the compensator element of the code must start to intervene. If things are allowed to deteriorate to such an extent that the machine can never recover (as looks to be true in this case), it clearly is not doing what is claimed by the minimum payout notice. Late JPM IMPACTs just rolled over after a while to maintain their %, for instance.

Anyway, this machine is just begging to be forced... look at the win table for heaven's sake: £30, £35, £40, £50, £60, £500! At 50p per play, £30 isn't going to get you very far; your 'average joe' who's just spunked £200 in about 20 minutes is going to look at that sticker and think 'this isn't a random machine, it has to give at least 80%, so I'm 'due' a big win or JP if I keep refusing these poxy £8 boards', but he will evidently be doing so on a completely false premise.

So glad I haven't played fruit machines for years and years... if I still did, I wouldn't touch a non random machine with a barge pole.

[letemspin]

I had this one out (with fruitman69 I believe ) back on the old JPeMu Forums about Club Royal Flush, making exactly the same argument as letemspin - in that case it was a £250 JP clubber basically running at 0% with £1250 in from a factory reset and still refusing point blank to drop the JP.

fruitman told me I was playing it all wrong and that wasn't the way to get it to percentage and all the rest of it, which turned out to be quite true but the argument then holds true now, that the 'man on the street' would have every right to expect a machine advertising an 80% payout to cough a jackpot when many multiples of that jackpot have been played through with nothing having been collected.

Machines were bent then unless you had the knowledge, and they're still bent now.

Let's not forget that fruitman69 make an absolute f*****g killing on Grandslam £1000 'cause he sussed out how the code was working and knew how get them running massively over percentage, leaving poor folks like letemspin to pick up the pieces....

I can't complain really, despite many years of getting nailed by AWPs I did for a couple of years manage to make a good chunk of cash back (nothing like my losses mind), because I knew about the knockbacks and/or forcing on Barcrests, the SSS trick on Mazoomas, the Vivid double-pot method and so on, and I ruthlessly exploited them whilst I could.

All in all, fruities are a bent game at every level, you either get bent to make some money yourself, or you get f***ed.

This $&%#y pile of shit clubber is just another prime example of that

Great to see you here old chap, I trust you are well. I knew we would be as one on an issue such as this, old friend.

You're absolutely right of course. What fruitman seems to be forgetting here is that the minimum payout notice isn't caveated; it doesn't say 'this machine can potentially pay 80% but only if played in the 'right' way'. 80% minimum payout is just that (or indeed, 90% minimum payout in the case of the emulated machine in question... hmmm, 3% vs 90% and £6000 staked... just a tad below target there? )

Still, nice to know he was making a killing on the likes of Casino Grandslam; I particularly enjoyed losing that £800 behind my wife's back, then covering up the fact for months before finally 'fessing up. My only consolation is that I shall be contemplating this as I sit in my Hotspring "Grandee" 8-man hot tub tomorrow morning, as I fiddle with its 5HP turbo-pumped foot massager settings. Damn.

As for this game, it's just the worst isn't it? Quite literally, not a single redeeming aspect. What a steaming pile... BFM used to make wonderful clubbers, and I'm not just saying that because I won on them, I didn't by and large.

Cavey

[letemspin]

I take it no-one's had any joy in getting this emulation to cough an extra £5100 over and above 90% of the additional monies staked then without cheating (e.g. if a further £2000 played through the machine, a total of £6900 would need to have been paid out during these new credits to give 90% overall, this sum being derived from the £5100 that the machine is already behind% on the £6k ram file plus 90% of the £2000 worth of new credits, which is £1800. Thus £5100 + £1800 gives the £6900 payout needed).

What a surprise!

[letemspin]

Most uk fruit machines have there % spread over something like 12 weeks so that tells me the machine could do nothing but take for 11 weeks and then on the 12th week do nothing but pay until it reaches its target %.

Time elapse has nothing to do with it, it's all about the no. of credits played. In this example, we have a machine that's set at 90% payout yet has taken fully £6000 and paid out less than £200. Now, 90% of £6000 is £5400, so because it has allowed itself to become so grossly below% over such a large number of credits, it has to somehow cough this vast sum in addition to a further 90% of all new monies staked.

So in order to get back on track, if a further £2000 were to be played through the machine (which is a reasonably large amount), it would have to pay approx. £7000 back as per the above example.

I stand to be corrected of course, but I can't see that happening lol. I've no doubt the machine will give some value if played 'correctly' in its current engorged state, but nowhere to this extent. If so, the machine would not be compliant with the claimed and stated minimum payout.

[letemspin]

I can't complain really, despite many years of getting nailed by AWPs I did for a couple of years manage to make a good chunk of cash back (nothing like my losses mind), because I knew about the knockbacks and/or forcing on Barcrests, the SSS trick on Mazoomas, the Vivid double-pot method and so on, and I ruthlessly exploited them whilst I could.

... Not that I can blame Chopley in any way for this, but I'm sure we can all imagine what kind of state these mainstream, supposedly 'amusement' machines were left in, once the above mentioned emptiers had been deployed. Not too great for the entirely unsuspecting 'casual' player who decides to take a punt 10 mins later, or the next three after that. Result: only the 'pro' player wins, using illicit, counter intuitive and/or obscure playing 'methods'. I mean, who in their right mind would ordinarily refuse perhaps six or more jackpots as part of a 'normal' playing pattern? Who could 'guess' that this was the 'correct' way to play a given machine?

Me? I never would've dreamt in a million years that these 'cheats' were an actual reality; I trusted both the FM manufacturers and assumed regulation to ensure that I got a fair crack of the whip. I just couldn't work out why I was constantly losing from around '95 onwards lol.

Makes me laugh when I still see people posting that they don't believe 'emptiers' exist... that was me about 6 years ago when I first discovered FME, and gave up fruities for good very shortly thereafter.

Still, even I believed that the basic machine payout% was still being met over time, most especially on a large JP casino or club machines such as this, which obviously aren't classed as amusement only. However, if this is anything to go by, it looks as though even this most basic assumption isn't necessarily the case. Unbelievable.

All in all, fruities are a bent game at every level, you either get bent to make some money yourself, or you get f***ed.

This $&%#y pile of shit clubber is just another prime example of that

It just shouldn't be like that. No wonder you barely see a fruit machine anymore and if you do, no-one's playing it. Shit, I like fruit machines, I loved playing them in the '80s despite losing - I got a run for my money and I enjoyed the games themselves. And I didn't always lose, there were plenty of times where I was at least a few quid up, with my beer and fags paid for the night off the tokens.

Cavey

[theabbey]

I take it no-one's had any joy in getting this emulation to cough an extra £5100 over and above 90% of the additional monies staked then without cheating (e.g. if a further £2000 played through the machine, a total of £6900 would need to have been paid out during these new credits to give 90% overall, this sum being derived from the £5100 that the machine is already behind% on the £6k ram file plus 90% of the £2000 worth of new credits, which is £1800. Thus £5100 + £1800 gives the £6900 payout needed).

What a surprise!

Looks like your spot on lememspin.
The last notable win i got was £250 which when i got feature i had 3 quid in cash ladder and got super feature and it gave me a boost and to my amazement it boosted to £250. It wouldnt go to jackpot, i did try and collected it after i lost my extra life. Then the machine died, And i have played £200 through since, Its dead. The highest i got % up to was %41
These are the stats up to date £7404 in £3025 out and %40.86
I will now have to agree with you and say i can not see this machine hitting percentage. I am surprised tho. But this will get played a lot in coming weeks,As me family enjoy playing it. So will keep posting stats, Even a year later if need be ?
It would be intresting if someone else (even a lot of others) done same and see what % they come up with and when machine dies on them. No pies NOT you (no offence) Adults only please
So cavey i can only say i am wrong at this moment in time and your spot on. Shows i know f all about modern trash.
And now i have a couple of hours to spare i might aswell load the pile of shit up and get burnt

[letemspin]

Looks like your spot on lememspin.
The last notable win i got was £250 which when i got feature i had 3 quid in cash ladder and got super feature and it gave me a boost and to my amazement it boosted to £250. It wouldnt go to jackpot, i did try and collected it after i lost my extra life. Then the machine died, And i have played £200 through since, Its dead. The highest i got % up to was %41
These are the stats up to date £7404 in £3025 out and %40.86
I will now have to agree with you and say i can not see this machine hitting percentage. I am surprised tho. But this will get played a lot in coming weeks,As me family enjoy playing it. So will keep posting stats, Even a year later if need be ?
It would be intresting if someone else (even a lot of others) done same and see what % they come up with and when machine dies on them. No pies NOT you (no offence) Adults only please
So cavey i can only say i am wrong at this moment in time and your spot on. Shows i know f all about modern trash.
And now i have a couple of hours to spare i might aswell load the pile of shit up and get burnt

Well, many thanks for that Abbey, fair do's to you for taking the time and trouble to try this and post the results.

Can't say I'm too surpised mind, but it's always very welcome to see actual, empirical evidence.

Gah, what a scandalous state of affairs.

Cavey

[theabbey]

After a £407 session.
I like collecting win series, And now i know why it spins the reels after it ends .After nearly 2k of spins it decides to repeat, and repeat again, I got 22+24+49 = £95.I collect it again later and it starts with 4 lemons (£25) I am thinking its gona jacky here It went 25,25,25 and i am defo thinking jacky at this point, Of course it dont lol I get another 20 then a fiver for a total of £100.
Oh well i will have to wait for the eyes to flash, And i will (in 2011)
That session ended on 407 in 404 out.