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[hurricane]

Im really getting fed up with the reel king in my local arcade cause its payed out no more than 2 jp's in like a year or so, on the machine it doesn't say what % it is so i asked the staff who im friends with and said 90% and i thought as if. Anyway onto the real issue five days ago the hopper emptied on reel king and yesterday the hopper was empty again, so i asked why it could empty so soon after just being topped up and they replied it only has a £600 hopper so just laughed and said how can a £500 jp machine have such a small hopper?. Is this normal?
Really shouldn't they have at least £1000 in the hopper surely!?
Any views on this?

Edit: By the way can the size of the hopper effect the chances of getting a Jp? or would it give it reguardless?

Edited by hurricane, 24 April 2009 - 11:05 AM.

[lincs1]

Im really getting fed up with the reel king in my local arcade cause its payed out no more than 2 jp's in like a year or so, on the machine it doesn't say what % it is so i asked the staff who im friends with and said 90% and i thought as if. Anyway onto the real issue five days ago the hopper emptied on reel king and yesterday the hopper was empty again, so i asked why it could empty so soon after just being topped up and they replied it only has a £600 hopper so just laughed and said how can a £500 jp machine have such a small hopper?. Is this normal?
Really shouldn't they have at least £1000 in the hopper surely!?
Any views on this?

reel king doesn't have a % payout coz its a random genarated number machine ITS RANDOM!!

[hurricane]

reel king doesn't have a % payout coz its a random genarated number machine ITS RANDOM!!

Granted, but if thats the case why does elvis, cashino, Rainbow Riches etc. have percentage payouts when they are ment to be random?

[lincs1]

Granted, but if thats the case why does elvis, cashino, Rainbow Riches etc. have percentage payouts when they are ment to be random?

all the RGN machines upto £250 jackpot was on % payouts

however all the £500 jackpots where on RGN and not % payout

hope this helps

[hurricane]

all the RGN machines upto £250 jackpot was on % payouts

however all the £500 jackpots where on RGN and not % payout

hope this helps

I dont really follow? so, are the likes of elvis a RGN machine (im assuming this stands for Random Generated Numbers) or is it something else cause this has a 92% payout? so it says...

[Bencrest]

All random machines have a percentage target, which is worked out using the amount of numbers the machine can pick (say 00001>10000), what each number is worth, and so on.

By having both the amount of numbers, and the amount and value of the prize each number awards, you should end up with the percentage shown on the machine.

Then we get more interesting things like 'HARD' and 'SOFT' profile. Again, they can keep the same percentage payout, but the wins are tilted in a different direction - more small/medium wins for a softer game, or sacrifice more of the small/medium wins for a higher jackpot frequency.

Having said that, I still don't trust the bloody things, and really hope I manage to go the rest of my life without touching a B3 or upwards ever again.

on the machine it doesn't say what % it is so i asked the staff who im friends with and said 90%

I find that worrying. The whole point of current Gamcare / BACTA guidelines (fairness and openness objective?) is to ensure the player knows, before they play a machine, what odds they are aiming for.

The machine *must* display on it somewhere what percentage is on - however I know some machines try to hide it in a menu, perhaps under 'help' or something similar.

[fruitman69]

All random machines have a percentage target, which is worked out using the amount of numbers the machine can pick (say 00001>10000), what each number is worth, and so on.

By having both the amount of numbers, and the amount and value of the prize each number awards, you should end up with the percentage shown on the machine.

Then we get more interesting things like 'HARD' and 'SOFT' profile. Again, they can keep the same percentage payout, but the wins are tilted in a different direction - more small/medium wins for a softer game, or sacrifice more of the small/medium wins for a higher jackpot frequency.

Having said that, I still don't trust the bloody things, and really hope I manage to go the rest of my life without touching a B3 or upwards ever again.


I find that worrying. The whole point of current Gamcare / BACTA guidelines (fairness and openness objective?) is to ensure the player knows, before they play a machine, what odds they are aiming for.

The machine *must* display on it somewhere what percentage is on - however I know some machines try to hide it in a menu, perhaps under 'help' or something similar.

Perfectly put Mr.Crest

Of course a random machine still has an expected %

Really how many times do we have to go through this argument!

Edited by fruitman69, 24 April 2009 - 04:27 PM.

[fruitman69]

Im really getting fed up with the reel king in my local arcade cause its payed out no more than 2 jp's in like a year or so, on the machine it doesn't say what % it is so i asked the staff who im friends with and said 90% and i thought as if. Anyway onto the real issue five days ago the hopper emptied on reel king and yesterday the hopper was empty again, so i asked why it could empty so soon after just being topped up and they replied it only has a £600 hopper so just laughed and said how can a £500 jp machine have such a small hopper?. Is this normal?
Really shouldn't they have at least £1000 in the hopper surely!?
Any views on this?

Edit: By the way can the size of the hopper effect the chances of getting a Jp? or would it give it reguardless?

You prolly have one thats on the SOFT profile as that does cut down JP a lot.

And the hopper amount is standard, remember these machines pay out coins but are mainly played with notes hence the float gets staved of coins, so frequently goes empty without giving JP's

Also on the SOFT profile it will be giving lots of smaller wins thus getting to its 90% without too much effort at all.

Steve

[Hairybum]

hi one thing if the version number is 1.04 in reel king, slotto,little devil, party slots (u can see when loading between games and only winderella will jackpot on pots feature ) and they are on soft setting which is default and unless you have new settings sheet you will never get a jackpot on this setting needs to be on hard setting to jackpot you know what setting its is when you play ie little devils,slotto you will gey lots off faces/devil tridents appear u know its on soft on hard you get hardly any and reel king u get 5 kings open u get around £100 never jackpot slotto gambler and double action are the same hard/soft unless you are brave enough to gamble so have a word with the owner off arcade and ask him to check that dip switch 3 left hand bank is on then you have a random? chance off a jackpot other wise steer well clear .

[fruitman69]

and they are on soft setting which is default and unless you have new settings sheet you will never get a jackpot on this setting .

Not true you can get JP of SOFT setting its just much harder,

if there was 0 chance it would be breaking the law.... period.

[spa]

In my local arcade they had a slotto on a soft setting over it's life. Never did pay a jackpot out.

[dangerousdave]

They only put £600 in the hoppers because if they get scammed they dont lose as much as say putting £1k in them.

[cardie]

put it this way



on anything electrical there is no such thing as random end of....

i think any 500 pound jackpot machine has 2 500 pound hoppers

[Hairybum]

fruit man i have tested every astra machine and to prove it does not jp on soft setting a reel king had 55 thousand pounds played through to see if it reached its target percentage but it actually took 83 thousand and have seen them that have readings in the hundreds off thousands and not one jp and as spa says the one in local arcade never gave one and i know off them to that have never give a jp and to cover themselves it say win upto £500 no were on the machine does it say you will win £500 pound and mk1 astras have 600 £s and 25 pound in 10ps the latest mk 4 have 1000x£s and 25 pound 10ps .

[Richard]

I personally think these games should have some option to choose which profile you want - ie. more smaller wins less jackpots or vice versa - a slider bar from very hard to very soft would be useful..!

The thing I think people find hard to understand with percentages stated on these random machines, it that they are stated as a LONG TERM AVERAGE, IF you were to get say every random number in the database of numbers once, you would get the percentage stated....

This is not a percentage the machine is TRYING to achieve, this is what you would get given average luck in the long run.

To offer an example I can run a heads or tails double or nothing game, where you can stake £1 every go, and have as many goes as you want... I can state on this game the percentage is 100%. Does that mean that if people have lost they are more likely to win? No.... Does that mean you will eventually EVER get 100% or more on the game - NO!!! It's an AVERAGE based on AVERAGE luck!

Would people stop saying the percentage figures on £500 machines are TARGET's... they are NOT, they are AVERAGES, there is no compensation to try and reach those figures, if the machine has done £100K of paying out at 96% on a 90% machine, it could easily do the same again, it makes no difference, as every spin is independant.

Although profiles can be altered to make the chance of JP infintessimely small...

[hurricane]

Good news!, the engineer was told by staff about the no. of complaints that reel king had, and was told about the hard and soft setting and he replied he had heard stories about that. So he got in touch with astra and they comfirmed the fact about the hard and soft settings. So now he has switched it to hard settings so that it SHOULD at least give out a JP at last.
This being the case would the machine have to try and play catch up considering its never really paid out a JP???