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[chav666]

Hi guy's,
I hear a lot about older machines like eachway shuffle, line up and the JPM series of nudgers (Deluxe, nudge up etc). Whats the deal with these and why where they so popular?? I got into fruits in 1989 - so just missed the boat on these - or rather I played them for a year, but just lost all the time! What sort of amounts could you win from these machines on 5p and 10p play?

Thanks
Chav666

[jamesb99_1999]

The difference is we remember these from a period of our lives and replaying them is evokotive of that - particularly to us older players. Also they tended to take a lot less money than modern machines and had charming well thought out concepts that weren't controlled by complex computers that limited gameplay based on a quick buck. emptiers really were emptiers and a pound could last an hour.

[pager]

Playability,after all the majority of people want some amusement,something that has been left behind by fruit machine makers over the last ten years.
You were never going to get minted,but you could lose a quid or two and have some fun,wheras nowadays £2 will get you about 7 seconds of play.

[£6 In Tokens]

Playability of the old machines was what got most people hooked (you just couldn't stay off them, very addictive, not like today's nonsense). The 70's, 80's & 90's machines where simple and just enjoyable to play. These machines from these era's won't ever be matched again. The stakes has a lot to do with it, but the machines just plain better, IMO at the peak in the late 80's and early 90's (from 1985 to 1995).

An example of bad machines being made these days would be Barcrest. Such a shame to see what they are producing now compared to some of the masterpieces they made in the early days

[hitthesix]

Well here is a typical example of the game play.
download and have a play of this (one of my crap layouts)
set on 2p play with the jackpot @£3.
i stuck £4 in and got £33.80p back.
nine jackpots "can you believe that "?
bet you would never get that in any of todays crap.
so you can imagine what it was like back in the old school days.
with a pocket full of tokens, and there was plenty of machines like that.

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[SUPER7]

Its all about the old skool!! My era was the Andy Capp's, Road Hog's, Eachway Nudger, Hot Dogs, Sevens Melons, etc. You no the era i mean, plus all the 2p/£2 jp's, u could be walking round the arcade with a pocket full of 2p's & tokens thinking u was minted!!

[Sparkz]

yea, old skool ftw, yet another day passed when i wish old skool machines were everywhere

lost fkin £180 today gambling on fruit machines, ffs, happy campers and that red gaming lightning/tornao 1, f***in skanked, even now iv had to break into my own machines float to buy xmas pressies cause of these fkin twats lol

[saynowt]

I used to play for all the reasons mentioned already along with this one..i wanted to beat the machine its sounds daft but when your young and stupid its possible lol, beat the machine as in get the jackpot.it may sound easy but when you only have a few quid to spend it becomes much more difficult, also remember the guy on the machine before you what did he win pmsl...

[Zoltar]

Now I very hardly play fruit machines these days but over the year, I reckon I've played a couple of hundred through various games. Most rated at £35 jackpot, some at £70. With the exception of a Party Time Double Decker only last week where I reached £31 for a £5 stake at 50p per go, I've never even come close to any of these jackpots. I've had several £25 jackpots in my time but not many in relation to the amount of money I've played.


....... Shooting back to the early and mid 1980's, there was something different about fruit machines. Not something small mind. Something that makes todays fruit machines look like they aren't even related. Jackpots for example. Jackpots were small. 10p play for a £2 token jackpot. 10p Tokens they were. Then a few years later, £3 token jackpots. Then £4, then with the advent of 20p play, £4.80 token jackpots. You could get cash jackpots which paid up to half the amount of those token jackpots in cash. Like £3 token would have a £1.50 cash jackpot.

I can see the younger members simply dismissing these machines instantly.....

"........£4.80 jackpots? 20p play? But we can get £5 all cash for 10p play!!............"

But how often do these jackpots come around? And what do you have to do to get them? Modern machines work on the principal of simple luck. You need to be in the right place at the right time to get that jackpot. Of course, you can 'load' the machine up so it becomes more likely to pay. But back in the 80's, machines didn't hold back their jackpots. They didn't 'cheat' you by making all jackpots unobtainable until a certain amount of money had been spent. Yes, they still worked on percentages, just like todays games but jackpots were pretty much a normal part of the gameplay. Gameplay itself even contributed to gaining the odd jackpot. In short, if you played a tenner on a Line-Up, or an 'Each Way Nudger', you were very very unlucky if you didn't land at least 1 jackpot during those games.

Todays games give the odd repeat. That feeling is great getting that extra jackpot. Bearing in mind that a £4.80 jackpot in 1989, wasn't a massive amount, it was still a reasonable win. And having a machine hold that win for 5, 6, 7 and more times, Some 20p play machines had £50 all cash streaks in them. 20 years ago and capable of paying the same as a £25 jackpot machine with a single repeat. (ACE's Twilight Zone, Open The Box, Play It Again). Or walking around an arcage with over £50 in tokens (Project's Sevens and Melons, Crazy Pays).

Modern machines have taken advantage of the frequency of jackpots for gamers like me. We are duped onto higher stake higher jackpot machines and we have the false pretense that todays games work like those from the 80's. Plenty of gameplay, lots of jackpots.

Also, when you think about todays games with their blocks and 'lose/lose' scenarios, for 99.8% of the time they are being played, they are simply a £5 jackpot machine. Anything above that prize amount is simply unobtainable. And at 30p/50p/£1 a go, somehow, our smaller, 'insignificant' jackpots of the 80's don't seem all that bad.

So are modern machines really better value for money?

I know that I've lost £10 within a couple of minutes for nothing but spin after spin with no hold or nudges on a modern machine, yet I've had hours of enjoyment for the same amount on older machines first seen in the 80's. Todays fruit machine player simply playes to make money by trying to win. The 1980's fruit machine player simply played for entertainment, and if he made a few quid, that was a pleasant bonus. Remove the entertainment value from a fruit machine, and you simply have a boring game of chance where the odds are massively stacked against the player.

[andy-1]

tommy c is the arcade in rhyl that your on about called star city i think we should apreciate the classics because were starting to lose them there is about three or four arcades in rhyl that have the classics left.
when i started playing these machines the jackpots were about £3 or £6

my beloved cops and robbers the red version :notworthy:was £3 jackpot and later £6 jackpot with £3 cash if you chose to collect it. and the blue version had £6 or £8 jackpot.

fair ground had £6 jackpot or you could collect £4 cash
Road Hog was £6 jackpot or you could collect i think it was £3 cash
Hot Rod was £6 jackpot and £3 cash i think
the list couls proberly go on if i could remember them all

[chav666]

Thanks for the replies guy's. I totally agree - I played for 17 years from '89 and was well in to the 4.80 days. There was no feeling like getting a rag to riches holding 10 times and then a project fotune wheel going on a £60 3 nudge streak - knowing you had a ton of tokens - which felt like free play money! That was how we played back then - try and keep your tokens stocked up and put your nuggets into the back pocket. It felt like you were risking nothing whilst that pocket of tokens stayed full. And you really had to know the machines too - there was a real skill in just playing a machine and knowing which to put cash through and which to put tokens through...

Great days indeed.

[Andy2003]

I love talking oldies,

You can't beat the old skool streaking (or rolling as i called it back then) Sp.Ace and Project were simply brilliant, like 777 Heaven just going mental holding every time after nudge or twilight zone nudgeing and (watch out for hidden treasure's) and jackpot being their eveytime banking about £30+. You could go a whole day spending just tokens... Funny enough i used to wish for just cash back then but now miss tokens. i used to play a machine which i think was Barcrest called Bank Blitz and it used to roll £10 at 2p a go. Just shear brilliance. also spent many hours playing PCP's Nudge Money at £2.jp i do remember playing older machine's but it's quite vague.

These old day's will never get replaced even older classical arcade's have updated rom's so it's very difficult to get the actual experience?

Thats why FME is wicked as you can re-live the old day's without losing a dime.

Anyone played the new video machine that has roller coaster and ceaser's palace on it? i think it still spins 1's and 12's? and has switchable Jp's from £5.00

A

[saynowt]

also some of the most popular arcades like nobles for instance used to swap tokens for cigarettes i vaguely remember it being at the time 12 20p tokens or was it 6 tokens i cant excactly remember but i used to get my weeks worth in one day lol

[SUPER7]

If any 1s in the Essex area at any time u should give my local ago has all the classics have mentioned in posts ages ago but can't not remember what thread they are in but here they are. TOKEN JP'S- Popeyes Tresure Hunt, Popeye, Roller Coaster, Monopoly, Crystal Maze, Squids In, Grand National, Jewel In The Crown, Las Vagas Strip, 2x Big 7s, 2x Bar Xs. Cash JP'S- Eachway Nudger mk3, Each Way Shuffler mk2, Jokers Wild, Red Hot Roll, Red Bar X, P.C.P Fun House, Frank n Stine, Bar X, Cops n Robbers, 7 Heaven. 2p PLAY'S- Andy & Flo, Kings & Queens, Super Streak, Red Hot Roll, Bronze Voyage, Snakes & Ladders. Not so old skool- Fruit Explosion, Eastenders, Eay Way Shifter, Pin Ball Nudger, Tuppenny Nudger ( £5 jp ) Anyway the arcade is called ' Parkins ' in Canvey Island Essex don't go in Parkins Palace its all MPU5 & a con, lol. Also Daves classic arcade is worth ago in Gravesend Kent ' Mr P's Classic Arcade '

[andy-1]

were about in rhyl is it tommy:)

[launton]

It does seem that the machines have migrated to something that has no fun included at all now. I had a go of a rainbow riches the other day in the services and it was crap. I agree with most of the posts about this, but some of the younger members must feel cheated.

I personally miss each way shuffle, lite a nudge, nudge double up deluxe, smash and grab, 777 Heaven, Hit The Six etc. My all time fave machine after SAG was barcrests Cash Matrix. If anyone ever gets one of these for sale I'd sell my soul. But I remember it had a software fault where you could press the cancel button to force one of the features so it disappeared off the scene rather quickly. LOVED the SKILL feature.