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[cardie]

Found out (of baz) that newer red gaming machines are programmed to send the odd pound coin into the cashbox even when the hopper is not full to 'trick' the player into thinking the machine is dropping. Thing is out of every, lets say 10 pound coins that goes in only 4 will go into the hopper and the rest down the back. I put a £50 float in and within two days there was £31 in the cash box and the FL read all the coins added up (about £100). Also when I put the machine in refill mode (which is designed to fill the hopper up when low on cash or empty) the coins will still go into the bottom cash box, so if i need to refill lets say £10 if the machine owes £3 it will take about £15 before one coin goes into the hopper? This is pointless?

Is there anyway I can turn it off.

Also the £1 and £2 coins go into the silver coins box along with the silver?

[skabaz]

the coins shouldn't go down to the cashbox on refill mode.

sounds like a dodgy mech if its doing that.


baz

[cardie]

the coins shouldn't go down to the cashbox on refill mode.

sounds like a dodgy mech if its doing that.


baz

Forgot to mention when I do it in test mode its fine?

[nails]

Found out (of baz) that newer red gaming machines are programmed to send the odd pound coin into the cashbox even when the hopper is not full to 'trick' the player into thinking the machine is dropping. Thing is out of every, lets say 10 pound coins that goes in only 4 will go into the hopper and the rest down the back. I put a £50 float in and within two days there was £31 in the cash box and the FL read all the coins added up (about £100). Also when I put the machine in refill mode (which is designed to fill the hopper up when low on cash or empty) the coins will still go into the bottom cash box, so if i need to refill lets say £10 if the machine owes £3 it will take about £15 before one coin goes into the hopper? This is pointless?

Is there anyway I can turn it off.

Also the £1 and £2 coins go into the silver coins box along with the silver?

they have been doing that system for years now - to fool the players.

[Dougsta]

they have been doing that system for years now - to fool the players.

It's true, Red machines have done it since pretty much the start in the early 00's. It would only fool a simpleton though, it's immediately obvious that they drop coins for the first £4 or £5 and then stop. They also drop coins that you are recycling from previous wins. If anything this put me off their machines back in the day.

I think this is more about giving the machine a consistent cashbox profile, rather than the feast or famine profile on other machines. It might also have been an anti-player tactic to make forcing more difficult to judge, and therefore improve the playing experience for the casual player.

[nails]

It's true, Red machines have done it since pretty much the start in the early 00's. It would only fool a simpleton though, it's immediately obvious that they drop coins for the first £4 or £5 and then stop. They also drop coins that you are recycling from previous wins. If anything this put me off their machines back in the day.

I think this is more about giving the machine a consistent cashbox profile, rather than the feast or famine profile on other machines. It might also have been an anti-player tactic to make forcing more difficult to judge, and therefore improve the playing experience for the casual player.

spot on doug, however te player will now look for the copious amount of reds or the show over £5-£15 depending on which machine.

marmite machines.

[cardie]

they have been doing that system for years now - to fool the players.

I know I said it at the start of the post

[SUPER7]

Never played a Red machine b4 never really liked the game play on them, but that coin dropping thing sounds abit naughty!!

[cashbox1]

Never played a Red machine b4 never really liked the game play on them, but that coin dropping thing sounds abit naughty!!

is that legal ??

[cardie]

is that legal ??

Yeah, dodgey though.

[skabaz]

is that legal ??

if you think about it,why would it be illegal?

you are putting a coin into a fruit machine and you get credit and you play the shots.doesn't matter if it goes into the cashbox or hopper.

you could argue that its fooling you into thinking that the hopper is full and ready to pay but if a landlord has just refilled a machine then that would be fooling you as well.

baz

[ziggy]

if you think about it,why would it be illegal?

you are putting a coin into a fruit machine and you get credit and you play the shots.doesn't matter if it goes into the cashbox or hopper.

you could argue that its fooling you into thinking that the hopper is full and ready to pay but if a landlord has just refilled a machine then that would be fooling you as well.

baz

My landlord is trying to fool me then, Refilling in between collection days at the Cally now Baz.

Getting desperate perhaps ??

[lockley100]

If owned a pub I'd refill as often as possible... its bound to increase takings surely.. pretty much every tom dick and harry knows about machines dropping

[ziggy]

Yeah he said he got told by the area manager that manually refilling em results in approx 10% more takings.Apart from him running quite low on coins for two weeks,i would imagine there is a fair ammount returned via the collector !

[ziggy]

If owned a pub I'd refill as often as possible... its bound to increase takings surely.. pretty much every tom dick and harry knows about machines dropping

And it still amazes me that people get " fooled " into thinking that just because its full it MUST pay out.

How many years ago was that the case, maybe £4.80 token days!

[Sparkz]

very weird as i mentioned before.... surely it cant be a "deliberate" thing

cardie has the same machine as mine and from the same source.... but mine has never dropped anything into the bottom cash box...hmmmm

[DildoDez]

I have a Red. It has never fake backed in its puff.

If you have a win banked, it will stop backing until the win is 'recycled' even if you don't collect it, but that's just to avoid coins going to the cash box unnecessarilly.

I don't believe they do actually fake back at all.

[cardie]

Right ill upload a pic of the mech later with all plugs in, then you can argue about somthing differnt (joke by the way)

[Sparkz]

Right ill upload a pic of the mech later with all plugs in, then you can argue about somthing differnt (joke by the way)

lol


oh yea was gonna ask you matey... with your machine do you know any way to disable that bloody annoying alarm sound? have unplugged audio from main board at the moment because i dont want to be home late, boot it up then have any risk of on/off or any other error alarm going off and waking up half the street.... but i want to play it with some of the funky sounds

[cardie]

lol


oh yea was gonna ask you matey... with your machine do you know any way to disable that bloody annoying alarm sound? have unplugged audio from main board at the moment because i dont want to be home late, boot it up then have any risk of on/off or any other error alarm going off and waking up half the street.... but i want to play it with some of the funky sounds

Nope, alarm volume is set at 50PC no matter what. You can inhbit coin type alarms which I think is on switch bank 1 (game card) it should be in the maunal or on the inside of the machine.