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[pedro3178]

Hi again!

i posted a question on hear a few days ago about my new machine and got great replys! thanks guys so thought i would post again with yet another question!

The machine i have is a red gaming machine called sub zero, the reason for purchase was my partner says i always waste my spare change on rubbish! this is true! so she bought me this machine and i have to say it works a treat! anyway when the machine for first setup it was setup with the hopper counting £25 in pound coins then these being put back in the hopper so the machine knows it has £25.
now playing it for a while it must have at least £110 in pound coins and also silver change, now when i open the bottom i can pull out the two buckets and all the silver change is there but no pound coins in the hopper dump. reading the instructions says the hopper is normally setup with £125 in pound coins but doesnt have to be.
Does this mean that when the machine has £125 in the hopper it starts to dump the pound coins, i remember seeing some pubs open machines and having loads of pound coins in the bottom.
sorry if thhis is a dumb question but you guys seem to really know your stuff and i am really interested to know how this works?

[davidfaylerwick]

this machine is a strange one (if its the same as the one in my local) it has a funny system so you cant tell if the machine is propperly Backing as even when you collect a win then you can still here pound coins going down the back, not sure if your one is the same setup though as it sounds like you will need to fill the 125 pound into the hopper - best way of checking is to put 126 pound coins through it and see if the last one drops down the back..... have you concidered setting it to £5 play as i think the hopper takes less coins to fill it unless i am very much mistaken

[launton]

Float is usually £125



Either:


Put another £15 quid in and see if they start dropping

open the front and press the 'hopper topped up' button (they should start dropping) It should be marked for you to find it

Put the refill key in (if you have one) turn it and fill the hopper by adding coins through the coin mech at the front till the display says it's full.

Any of those should get the coins to drop.

[pedro3178]

hi there,

thanks for the quick responce, i am not looking for the coins out the hopper just wanted to know when it starts dumping? i know for example pubs need to make profit and empty pound coins out the bottom very few days and wondered if my machine must have £125 in the hopper before it would do this, maybe i should restart the machine and put £125 in the hopper? would this be a good idea? i do have the service manual and it takes me through it, it does mention a refill key which i dont really know its use? but i have ordered one and should have it today, is there a certain way i should set this machine up? basically i am using it as a fancy piggy bank! lol

thanks guys for the replys!!

[launton]

Just follow the instructions I posted in order, there's a few ways to 'tell' the machine it's hopper is full and to start dropping to the cashbox. There's no need to really reset the hopper amount. But if you have the manual you can find the dump hopper instructions, the display will tell you if you're short or over. Then put £125 quid in the hopper, press the hopper topped up button and you're done! You don't really need a refill key to do what you're asking.

You don't have to have £125 in the machine, you fool the machine into thinking the float is full by pressing the hopper topped up button. £125 is the suggested amount.

[pedro3178]

Ah i see! ok i will give this a go, many thanks again guys for all your help!

cheers

[Sparkz]

the float depends... mines a red gaming... its "invincible" the float though is set at £250... the reason its a high float is obviously if someone has £100 of silver to put in and the float is next to nothing then the machine cant "legally" pay out to its required % since in this machines case it only pays out £1's

[Starleisure]

the float depends... mines a red gaming... its "invincible" the float though is set at £250... the reason its a high float is obviously if someone has £100 of silver to put in and the float is next to nothing then the machine cant "legally" pay out to its required % since in this machines case it only pays out £1's

Sounds more like someone left the note accepter loom connected to the mpu buddy. mpu5 sees this and ups float from £125 to £250.

Every AWP will pay out to a % within 2% over £1000. Does not make any difference if the hopper is full or empty.

[Sparkz]

Sounds more like someone left the note accepter loom connected to the mpu buddy. mpu5 sees this and ups float from £125 to £250.

Every AWP will pay out to a % within 2% over £1000. Does not make any difference if the hopper is full or empty.

ahhh that must be it...

the thing though if for example the hopper only pays £1's, and theres only £5 in the hopper (someone took the money out and didnt top it up properly) then £100 of silver coins put into it should mean at least maybe £10 or so to be paid out... but if it can only pay out that £5 in 1's... then it cant payout to its %?

it reminds me of this machine in a club back in the day... i was nearly 1st into this club and quite drunk... was playing a £25 jp machine... i stupidly put in over £100 of notes, and silver coins... the most it offered to give me was £1.20 (obv £2)... i didnt take anything from it lol :S

[pedro3178]

hi there,

the advice i got was superb and worked a treat! i emptied the hopper then refilled and pressed the hopper full button and now when i put a £1 coin in it goes straight to the bottom!
i must say though that my machine would not let me dump the hopper unless i had the refill key in, its just one responce said i didnt need a refill key unless i read it wrong but i couldnt dump until refill key was inserted then it counted amount and told me it was short £21 of £125
i cant thank you enough guys for your replys!!

[Sparkz]

hi there,

the advice i got was superb and worked a treat! i emptied the hopper then refilled and pressed the hopper full button and now when i put a £1 coin in it goes straight to the bottom!
i must say though that my machine would not let me dump the hopper unless i had the refill key in, its just one responce said i didnt need a refill key unless i read it wrong but i couldnt dump until refill key was inserted then it counted amount and told me it was short £21 of £125
i cant thank you enough guys for your replys!!

that doesnt sound too good, is the hopper topped up to the full level before you pressed "hopper topped up" ? because if not its gonna think theres more cash there than it has... which obviously will cause a few payout problems (short changed payouts)

for the hopper dump... mainly it does need a refil key... open bottom door so it says "door open" on the lcd... then put in refil key... turn it... and press and hold the button for a few seconds just above the bottom plastic cash boxes... on the screen it should then say "hopper dump start" then of course press start and all hoper contents will come out into the prize collection tray...

[launton]

my machine would not let me dump the hopper unless i had the refill key in

Sorry, I was trying to answer quickly for you, but it's not that important to dump the hopper, seeing as one of the other instructions would have sorted the problem you had. Glad it's done!

Sparks, seeing as the machine's in his house, I don't see there being a problem if the float is a little less at £104. The chances of the machine dumping that much in one go is a little slim I think, and he's only gonna put it straight back in as he plays. He could always just open the front and add another £21 to make it exact, but really, it's not that important I'm sure from what the other guys say here.

[pedro3178]

hi there,

just wanted to say thanks to launton and sparks for your comments and help, i was just curious to one more thing guys, i have played machines in pubs before with my friends and lost a fortune! lol well not me personally but as a group, i was playing my machine last night and after doing as launton said and proparly filling the hopper and pressing the button so machine knows its full, well bloody hell! i kept winning! lol, at one point it payed out £65 with repeat chances! after about 2 hrs! it finally took it all back, but just kept wanting to pay and let me on the board a lot, its just when in the pub with various machines its once in a blue moon i see that! i know you guys will probably laugh at this question but hey i am a newbie and you guys have been a big help so far!!

[Sparkz]

ummmm...

quite possibly the payout was "reset" sometimes it counts whats been put in it as "money to payout" thus you put x amount in as a topup... it calculates the payout and with the new cash it and you get a few big payouts so it can catch up with the %.... resetting the ram makes it play a bit tighter... i think you can do this by taking out % key, powering it up... there should be an error on screen... turn it off.. put in % key... then it should do it (someone correct me if im talking cows dung)

wording is probably wrong there but thats the gist i think anyway

thats why machines in pubs, arcades, etc play like they do... because its a 1 time process with them... ram is reset, hopper topped up fully by the machine vendor, then profit for the establishment is taken from the bottom drawers (change and £1's that exceed the hopper float)

[pedro3178]

sparkz i cant thank you enough for all your help! i will try this as soon as i get home and post it up!

many thanks again

[Sparkz]

sparkz i cant thank you enough for all your help! i will try this as soon as i get home and post it up!

many thanks again

np mate

and " it calculates the payout and with the new cash it and you get a few big payouts so it can catch up with the %"

was meant to say

" it calculates the payout and with the new cash it HAS and you get a few big payouts so it can catch up with the %"

[cardie]

This all goes back to the thread about my machine. (2006 Red Gaming)

The machine is programmed to 'drop' at any time. Though it does seem to not do it as much when a win has been payed out. I would suspect over £125 quid in the machine everything would balance out and the machine would rarley need refilling. (you can tell if the machine has always been used propaly by a low count on the refill meter which is behind a little plastic screen near the machines badge near the coin mech/speaker) Which in my case is in the £12000 mark, so someones never botherd to top the machine up correctly and had to refill it so much. The only other problem is that it does it in refill mode, which must either be a programming problem or a mech problem. (but all works as it should in test mode and the respondes to everything). Cant be simple can it!

[pedro3178]

sorry sparkz i meant to ask do i need to redo emptying the hopper? what i mean is, i did what you said the last time with emptying the hopper then filling it and pressing the hopper full key. When i now reset the the ram by removing % key as per your instructions do i need to redo the hopper again? or do i just reset the ram and carry on as normal?

thanks again

[pedro3178]

Hi cardie

and thanks for the info although i dont understand all of it! lol, i basically got this machine to use as a fancy bank for my home because i am always spending my loose change on crap! lol so my partner bought me this for chrimbo and it has worked a treat, last count last night was hopper full so thats £125 and have loads of silver and about £33 coins in bottom, i would just have spent that on crap! i just wanted the machine to play like the ones in the pub, you know put in £20 coins and dont even get on the board! lol or if you do its £1 or £2 but my one last night was paying out £65 on repeat chance and then £10-£12-£6-£15, wish that was in the pub:D!

[launton]

Pedro just play the machine for a few weeks, believe me, it'll eat you money in the end! Mine goes off it's tit's now and again paying out like crazy. I just put it all back over a day or so. And the others know much more than me. I'm a noob mate.