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[Guitar]

Im not asking for any emptiers etc, I just wanted to ask why it is we dont talk about them? The more prevelant an emptier or method is, the less usefull it is. And the more "mainstream" it gets, the sooner the manufacturers will chip out the problem, resulting in a fairer game for all involved.

One of the reasons I stopped playing machines was that they were constantly dead when you got there. So emptiers/methods are partly to blame for this, but it seems counter intuitive to not discuss them, otherwise the only people with the knowledge, will be those "doing the rounds".

I can see why emptiers particularly would not want to be discussed as these can cost an operator money, large amounts of money with hoppers on some machines holding well over £500, BUT they will get chipped out much much quicker in the long run.

Im not saying that we should neccessarilly post exact methodologies, but not discussing them in any form just seems a bit like ignoring the problem.

[Guitar]

Well in all honesty its a really dumb question!

You above all people should know that what we do here e.g. emulating machines isn't strictly legal. We use roms and artwork from fruit the machine manufacturers who up to now I'm pleased to say (in most cases) ignore us and let us get on with it. If we started posting emptier's on here or other FME sites then it would antagonise them even more and we certainly don't want to do that.

Anyway this is an emulation site. There are plenty of other sites which deal with this sort of thing.

How would posting about emptiers antagonise the companies? You cant get rid of a software bug (which is what an emptier is) if you dont know it exists. Like I said, Im not saying we post how to do it, but raising awareness that an emptier exists for a machine is important for operators, manufacturers, and players alike.

Did you even read everything I posted? Or did you just decide to call me dumb after seing the question?

[Guitar]

Also, what really riles up the companies is playing machines that are new.

As a rule of thumb the manufacturers dont care about older machines / techs. If you ring barcrest asking for spares for a super hyper viper, you will be told they dont keep them any more, if you ring bell fruit and ask for spares for showtime spectacular, same story.

But if you start making machines that are new, still on the catalogue so to speak, that's when they care, see Empire Games (and rightly so).

So dont get on a high horse about emptiers and then allow people to release layouts for "too new" machines without getting all huffy with them? This is an emulation site, primarilly for the OLDER machines, so why allow machines that are new to be emulated without reparation and then get all whingy about emptiers, when telling the manu that an emptier exists allows them to correct it, sooner the better.

Edited by Guitar, 21 August 2010 - 10:40 AM.

[Guitar]

Did you read mine?

I said the question was dumb not you, although I'm beginning to wonder now. I'm not prepared to get into a debate about the rights and wrongs of emulating new or even old techs as that isn't the issue you raised in your thread. All I'm saying is there's no place on an emulation site for posting emptiers. If it's emptier for a machine which we have emulated then that would be different.

No place on a fruit machine emulation site for fruit related content, but PC stuff is perfectly fine?

And yes, emulated machine emptiers would still be covered under the banner of "no emptiers / methods".

Im just asking for a sensible debate on whether or not the discussion of emptiers (not neccesarilly the method itself) should be allowed.

[todd1970]

Agree with DAD about this being an emulation site only..and has been like that ever since i joined anyway nearly 8 years ago.

If Duplu was to turn round and say..its fine for cheats/methods/emptiers to be posted on the site now..spose none of us could have a problem with it..his site...his rules.

But in addition wouldnt like the fact the forums would be taken over by wee nobs boasting that they can 'do' the latest DOND for X amount of cash.

Its very unlikey that these cheats/methods would be shared among the forums anyway..they tend to keep them to themselves..after all the more people that know it..the more people that will do it.

[Guitar]

Im not saying that we should neccessarilly post exact methodologies, but not discussing them in any form just seems a bit like ignoring the problem.

LOL Dad, thought you said you had read my first post. Nice to know you were bullshitting again.

[Guitar]

Spot on! If it means keeping on the good side of the manufacturers then yeah!

And I am yet to hear you tell me why this is bad from a manufacturer point if view.

[Guitar]

I think you'll find that its new machines which 'would' be discussed not older ones e.g. like the ones we have emulated. Its the newer machines the manufacturers would want to protect and rightly so!

So keeping these things secret for longer is good for the manufacturer?

[markleshark]

ok guys its not rocket science, lets pick the bones out of this its really simple, wot goes on within this site is not exactly legal however the majority of emptiers are!!! obviously with the exception of using an actual device such as a sledgehammer!!! haha as with all electronics there are flaws, imperfections, etc they are only as clever as the brain of the creator, i am quite sure the players of fruitys do so to actually increase their cash balance, +2 be quite honest anyone that says they just play for the entertainment value must have more money than sense + quite frankly needs their head examining!!!! there is an old saying - scratch my back + i'll scratch yours, we could apply this to the manufacturers as they obviously lose thousands of pounds from punters who REFUSE to play a machine that has a good chance of having been raped!!! we could scratch their back by informing them of the fault, in return they could turn a blind eye to the emulation of more recent machines,,,,,, surely that is a genuine WIN WIN situation???? very interested to here the replys on this because as we all know the manu's could quite easily get the huff BIG TIME in more ways than 1, they could declare war on sights like this, they could also release very dirty machines with lower percent kick outs, always remember.... just coz it says minimum payout 86 percent on the front is not necessarily reflected in what goes down the back!!!!

Edited by markleshark, 21 August 2010 - 04:00 PM.

[voodoomau5]

thing is most people here would think a machine has been done if it cost 'em more than a fiver for a board

[billnye7]

Well I don't know any, knowing 1 or 2 would help me know what to look out for if I do spot one, otherwise it will go unnoticed xD

[markleshark]

thing is most people here would think a machine has been done if it cost 'em more than a fiver for a board

c'mon m8 your missing the point here, are you saying its acceptable to kiss goodbye to fiver after fiver just coz the machine was raped? the obvious flip 2 that statement is,,, your other outcome could of been a jackpot, now which ending do you prefer??? also your fiver for a board is utter bollox, are you referring to a board on a 70?? surely not on 1pound play or even 50p?? 5 spins or 10 spins wtf??? the bottom line here is, is it acceptable to have an unfair disadvantage, ok so you reckon you would merely walk off if you got no board + be happy you only got shafted for a fiver but........ if you actually won a fiver but it failed to pay out,,, instead just farting thin air at you then you would soon complain right???????? well its the same shit my friend!!!!

[todd1970]

thing is most people here would think a machine has been done if it cost 'em more than a fiver for a board

Why..is that the 'norm' for machines these days ? .. how much does a 'feature' cost £8..9...10 ? more ? to kill you off in 2 or 3 spins with the highest win being £3 or so.

Thank fk i dont play the machines any more these days then..pound after pound after pound...killed..pound..pound..repeat untill pockets are empty and you walk out pub/arcade £60..70..or more down.

No thanks..ill stick to the emulations and the 5p/10p machines when im at the seaside arcades.

[DarkCable]

Hmm on a part of these 70 quid f***ers, today i was in a pub and it had this f*****g god awful cop and robbers ( Robbers being the right way to word it ) at 25p - 50 and 1 pound. I thought i would give it a try.. before i knew it i had put 20 quid in at 50p a go and got on board once to get kicked off after 2 hits of the start button - now how on earth is that a fair and fun play to the gambler? i then sat drinking my pint to watch at least another 100 quid get put in with what i seen at least 5 quid highest pay out - my rant to this is just these companys dont give a flying f*** anymore and am never playing these 666 machines again. . i learned my lesson. sorry if this has no bearing on the subject just seen a mention on these 70 quid machines!

[voodoomau5]

Why..is that the 'norm' for machines these days ? .. how much does a 'feature' cost £8..9...10 ? more ? to kill you off in 2 or 3 spins with the highest win being £3 or so.

Thank fk i dont play the machines any more these days then..pound after pound after pound...killed..pound..pound..repeat untill pockets are empty and you walk out pub/arcade £60..70..or more down.

No thanks..ill stick to the emulations and the 5p/10p machines when im at the seaside arcades.

So you're saying that every machine you play on 10p always offers great gameplay, cheap boards and is always offering generous amounts . And if in your eyes it takes 70 quid to realise a machine isn't worth playing then thank fcuk for your pocket you don't play them.