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[superbank]

Christ, the same shit gets raked up time and time again. How f*****g boring!!

Nick and Chris - please carry on the good work, and don't let the c***s grind you down!

[cashbox1]

Just wait and you will get to play all the emu's in time.

hear hear rob,it makes me laugh,i know you get politics everywhere,but bitching and backstabbing over a game -LMFDAO like many of the real FME fans, i await the new releases with eagerness. many thanks Wizard and Guitar

[jamesb99_1999]

Great sentiment but ignores the point people were making. Everyone would have been silently waiting and hopeful if so many promises and claims hadn't been made with dates and stuff.. Lots of people offering free services give dates that they are going to release do them.. People still get annoyed when those dates pass without the promised item - the problem is the original setting of dates and claims create unnecessary expectation within a market.

If Guitar had simply said I will be releasing an emulator this year nobody would be complaining.. If the claim hadn't been everything would change peoples expectations
wouldn't have been so high and nobody would be questioning this.

Personally I'm happy to wait, but I am always and always will be an advocate of free speech and expression, so I can understand why people would moan or even just dare to ask a question of when it will be released. There is also the point that many people don't care about Amber but only MFME and feel that it's a block to getting their release on that.. As the BP Oil boss says.. "What should I do? Should I..."

Asking a question isn't heresy and I think they would quickly go away if the coders committed as much time to communication as they did when they have a drum to bang. All it would take is 6 mins to update on here a day.

[letemspin]

Great sentiment but ignores the point people were making.

It doesn't ignore the point that he and others were making at all, namely being critical of 'bitching, backstabbing' and all the ridiculous antics of perhaps a half dozen people, over years and years, all over the same old inconsequential shite (which basically boils down to Person A not liking Person B), in a scene consisting of hundreds of active, constructive posters who do not indulge in such obsessive, petulant, childish crap.

Everyone would have been silently waiting and hopeful if so many promises and claims hadn't been made with dates and stuff.. Lots of people offering free services give dates that they are going to release do them.. People still get annoyed when those dates pass without the promised item - the problem is the original setting of dates and claims create unnecessary expectation within a market.

No, we've been through this. "The problem" as you put it is a very small minority of highly vocal individuals getting on Guitar's (and Wizard's) case. Guitar isn't Microsoft; he's one bloke who has stated that he has health, life and work issues, who has been fighting and striving with this project singlehanded for years and years - for free - to bring us an emulator. All in his spare time. He set himself a "deadline", doubtless in all good faith and excited about developments at that time, but "missed" it for the perfectly understandable reasons he stated. The VAST MAJORITY of people in this scene - including Wizard himself - expressed their support and empathy with him on this, stating that they didn't mind waiting... and I should hope not anyway. Again, it was only those same very few who antagonised him over this, slating him and his unreleased project, just as those same people have pissed on Wizard's and other emu authors' bonfire again and again over the years, not to mention layout producers also for their so-called "BAF", "eye bleeder", "hyped" layouts or whatever. You've been around long enough, you know all this to be true.

If Guitar had simply said I will be releasing an emulator this year nobody would be complaining.. If the claim hadn't been everything would change peoples expectations
wouldn't have been so high and nobody would be questioning this.

Again, we've been through this. Guitar isn't Microsoft Corp., he's ONE MAN. This is a FREE 'product' that's hugely complex and difficult to produce; I know from personal experience that it's very easy indeed to under estimate the roll-out time of something so complex, even when seemingly nearing the end of the process, something can always come up. Besides, perhaps the bloke should've ignored his health and job opportunities, just so he could meet his "deadline" for his FREE product? LoL.

Personally I'm happy to wait, but I am always and always will be an advocate of free speech and expression, so I can understand why people would moan or even just dare to ask a question of when it will be released.

No-one has a problem with people asking (polite) questions, least of all Guitar. He's said so many times. However, asking questions is one thing, abuse and slating off a product that has not even seen the light of day is quite another ('reinvented wheel emulator', 'coder's disease', 'just get it released so we can have MFME' etc.). As is those same few applying relentless, unreasonable pressure re. 'missed deadlines', usually in a provocative manner, all as aforestated. I think you need to make this basic distinction here.

Also, yes, freedom of speech is important, but should not be without limits, e.g. basic,common courtesy and decency. This forum, for example, is moderated, as indeed most are - with good reason. Whilst it is certainly possible to over-moderate, an unregulated forum of any size is usually a disaster (as was FF before moderation was belatedly reintroduced, albeit not before considerable damage was inflicted on the scene by this same small group of warring individuals).

This 'freedom' to express irrational vendettas of hatred by a few - over absolutely f*** all at the end of the day, as far as I, and surely any sane, rational person can see, is not valid. As I've said, it just boils down to certain people not liking certain other people and trying to hound them out of this hobby, or worse, and not giving a shit about the wider consequences for everyone else. Over the many years, my surprise at these antics has evolved to incredulity, from incredulity to frustration, and eventually from frustration to deep anger. I have tried, numerous times over the years to talk some sense into some of those concerned, with absolutely no success. I might just as well talk to my f*****g dog about it.

Me? If I were a moderator of an FME forum, their arses would not have touched the ground, permanantly, leaving the majority of people in peace to enjoy their hobby, the layout producers to produce their layouts and above all, the emu coders to code their emulators.

As I said previously, I know for a FACT that many have had it up to their necks with the whole 'DT said this, Wizard said that and is a c***, AT was an Apostate of Hell, EPEE caused the Earth to stop rotating and seVen was actually Tom Cruise with sekret info from Maygay' - NO-ONE GAVE A f*** THEN, AND CERTAINLY NOT NOW, 5 YEARS LATER. If these people, finally, find something else to occupy their time, hopefully far away from here, then I for one will rejoice.

This really is the last I'm going to say on this subject, because even saying 'stop f*****g talking about this inconsequential, meaningless, obsessive SHIT' invites still yet further comment and 'debate', which is the very thing that I, and no doubt others want to avoid at all costs.

I'm hoping against hope that a line can finally be drawn, where we as a complete, collective scene can show some maturity, manners, encouragement and gratitude - that we've all moved on. Maybe, MAYBE, this might mean that we can eventually aspire to a position of where we would have been years ago, were it not for the very few repeatedly spoiling things for the very many.

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Edited by letemspin, 16 July 2011 - 11:06 AM.

[jamesb99_1999]

It doesn't ignore the point that he and others were making at all, namely being critical of 'bitching, backstabbing' and all the ridiculous antics of perhaps a half dozen people, over years and years, all over the same old inconsequential shite (which basically boils down to Person A not liking Person B), in a scene consisting of hundreds of active, constructive posters who do not indulge in such obsessive, petulant, childish crap.



No, we've been through this. "The problem" as you put it is a very small minority of highly vocal individuals getting on Guitar's (and Wizard's) case. Guitar isn't Microsoft; he's one bloke who has stated that he has health, life and work issues, who has been fighting and striving with this project singlehanded for years and years - for free - to bring us an emulator. All in his spare time. He set himself a "deadline", doubtless in all good faith and excited about developments at that time, but "missed" it for the perfectly understandable reasons he stated. The VAST MAJORITY of people in this scene - including Wizard himself - expressed their support and empathy with him on this, stating that they didn't mind waiting... and I should hope not anyway. Again, it was only those same very few who antagonised him over this, slating him and his unreleased project, just as those same people have pissed on Wizard's and other emu authors' bonfire again and again over the years, not to mention layout producers also for their so-called "BAF", "eye bleeder", "hyped" layouts or whatever. You've been around long enough, you know all this to be true.



Again, we've been through this. Guitar isn't Microsoft Corp., he's ONE MAN. This is a FREE 'product' that's hugely complex and difficult to produce; I know from personal experience that it's very easy indeed to under estimate the roll-out time of something so complex, even when seemingly nearing the end of the process, something can always come up. Besides, perhaps the bloke should've ignored his health and job opportunities, just so he could meet his "deadline" for his FREE product? LoL.



No-one has a problem with people asking (polite) questions, least of all Guitar. He's said so many times. However, asking questions is one thing, abuse and slating off a product that has not even seen the light of day is quite another ('reinvented wheel emulator', 'coder's disease', 'just get it released so we can have MFME' etc.). As is those same few applying relentless, unreasonable pressure re. 'missed deadlines', usually in a provocative manner, all as aforestated. I think you need to make this basic distinction here.

Also, yes, freedom of speech is important, but should not be without limits, e.g. basic,common courtesy and decency. This forum, for example, is moderated, as indeed most are - with good reason. Whilst it is certainly possible to over-moderate, an unregulated forum of any size is usually a disaster (as was FF before moderation was belatedly reintroduced, albeit not before considerable damage was inflicted on the scene by this same small group of warring individuals).

This 'freedom' to express irrational vendettas of hatred by a few - over absolutely f*** all at the end of the day, as far as I, and surely any sane, rational person can see, is not valid. As I've said, it just boils down to certain people not liking certain other people and trying to hound them out of this hobby, or worse, and not giving a shit about the wider consequences for everyone else. Over the many years, my surprise at these antics has evolved to incredulity, from incredulity to frustration, and eventually from frustration to deep anger. I have tried, numerous times over the years to talk some sense into some of those concerned, with absolutely no success. I might just as well talk to my f*****g dog about it.

Me? If I were a moderator of an FME forum, their arses would not have touched the ground, permanantly, leaving the majority of people in peace to enjoy their hobby, the layout producers to produce their layouts and above all, the emu coders to code their emulators.

As I said previously, I know for a FACT that many have had it up to their necks with the whole 'DT said this, Wizard said that and is a c***, AT was an Apostate of Hell, EPEE caused the Earth to stop rotating and seVen was actually Tom Cruise with sekret info from Maygay' - NO-ONE GAVE A f*** THEN, AND CERTAINLY NOT NOW, 5 YEARS LATER. If these people, finally, find something else to occupy their time, hopefully far away from here, then I for one will rejoice.

This really is the last I'm going to say on this subject, because even saying 'stop f*****g talking about this inconsequential, meaningless, obsessive SHIT' invites still yet further comment and 'debate', which is the very thing that I, and no doubt others want to avoid at all costs.

I'm hoping against hope that a line can finally be drawn, where we as a complete, collective scene can show some maturity, manners, encouragement and gratitude - that we've all moved on. Maybe, MAYBE, this might mean that we can eventually aspire to a position of where we would have been years ago, were it not for the very few repeatedly spoiling things for the very many.

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I don't even know where to start responding to this as you are obviously at that time of the month.
You talk about most people constructively posting - what this from someone who has posted 47 times in 8 years and mostly on this thread?
Come on let people have opinions and asking questions is never a bad thing.
It is only one person as it's not gone open source yet as I am aware Guitar had said it would be? You don't seem to have a clue about peoples views. A forum is all about people expressing opinions and asking questions - when your period is over you will realise that is all people are doing. I like and respect Nick but think if someone claims they are going to do something and don't deliver people will respond with questions - it's called life. And Chris whether game playing or not isn't your "buddy" whatever you may think.

Again apologies to hear about your period.

[Mr House]

And Chris whether game playing or not isn't your "buddy" whatever you may think.

Hi James,

Can I please ask what do you mean by that?

Are you saying that Wizard can't be friends with people?

[Johnnyafc]

You mean he dont have friends like this

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[gemini17]

Any1 played the Wizard of oz slots on Jackpot Party?If you havnt I say go take a peek -its a whole new slot experience
Would love to go play the real thing in Vegas,just too poor to go

[jamesb99_1999]

Hi James,

Can I please ask what do you mean by that?

Are you saying that Wizard can't be friends with people?

Hi,

What I meant by that was sometimes people think by being overnice (brown-nosing we used to call it) everyone's their buddy. But in the real world asking questions doesn't do the opposite as telling people how great their blouse looks doesn't turn them in to your bestest buddy/ mate.

rgds

[jay2]

I'm hoping against hope that a line can finally be drawn, where we as a complete, collective scene can show some maturity, manners, encouragement and gratitude - that we've all moved on.

Ive cut this down to just one sentence from letemspin, it really does say it all.
Can someone do the right thing and close this thread ffs.

[letemspin]

Hi,

What I meant by that was sometimes people think by being overnice (brown-nosing we used to call it) everyone's their buddy. But in the real world asking questions doesn't do the opposite as telling people how great their blouse looks doesn't turn them in to your bestest buddy/ mate.

rgds

Wow, way to completely disregard/misunderstand my entire previous post, plus the usual 'brown nosing' comments to boot. For the record, I quite plainly said that there was no issue with asking questions, I've never brown nosed anyone in my entire life and yes, Wizard IS a friend of mine. Plus, I am 'Captain Caveman'; this is my Fruit Emu account, I tend to post at The Mecca and have done for many, many years.

What's the point though? Like I said, my dog would have a better grasp of this situation and it wasn't even you that I actually had in mind here.

[cardie]

Just letting everyone know im just sat here waiting and quite giddy for this release, watching a load of adults bickering and arguing on a fruit machine forum Funny isnt it when you look at whats going on? Cant we just it back shut the f*** up and wait? Or is that honestly too simple?

[superbank]

Cant we just it back shut the f*** up and wait? Or is that honestly too simple?

Most of us can Cardie, yes.

There are others that have SO little going on in their lives that all they can do is sit around and criticise, demand answers and expect everything.

[stevedude2]

Some of us are chiming in thinking we are doing the authors a personal favour by saying we are happy to wait another month for a free emulator, as if we've lent them £500 or something. What the f***'s it got to do with us? Where does this sense of entitlement come from? It's summer - let's all pack our towels and flip-flops and go down to the beach. When we come back, maybe it will be ready

Edited by stevedude2, 16 July 2011 - 09:38 PM.

[nails]

Some of us are chiming in thinking we are doing the authors a personal favour by saying we are happy to wait another month for a free emulator, as if we've lent them £500 or something. What the f***'s it got to do with us? Where does this sense of entitlement come from? It's summer - let's all pack our towels and flip-flops and go down to the beach. When we come back, maybe it will be ready

I think the point of the personal messages was to re-assure the author(s)of continued personal support - after the verbal attacks.

[saynowt]

Me? If I were a moderator of an FME forum, their arses would not have touched the ground, permanantly, leaving the majority of people in peace to enjoy their hobby, the layout producers to produce their layouts and above all, the emu coders to code their emulators.

this statement by letemspin says it all like it or not I believe its the admin/mods fault for letting this shit happen/continue in the first place have some balls and get rid of the ****** for good, ban the ip address ffs

[Zoltar]

Me? If I were a moderator of an FME forum, their arses would not have touched the ground, permanantly, leaving the majority of people in peace to enjoy their hobby, the layout producers to produce their layouts and above all, the emu coders to code their emulators.

this statement by letemspin says it all like it or not I believe its the admin/mods fault for letting this shit happen/continue in the first place have some balls and get rid of the ****** for good, ban the ip address ffs

Free speech, wether constructive or critical is something i stand for. It's not about balls. It's about free speech and the freedoms of people to say what they please. Which like it or not, means there will always be 'the other side of the argument' posted.

My personal opinion on the current politics of FME go like this.....

If any new emulators appear, I'll download em, play them and may even return to make layouts for them. I'll thank the authors and once again maarvel at the talents of those who can work such wonder to bring us such a gift. Me being a very 'passive' member of the scene these days, as in the fact that I tend to say little these days, but still being around, shows that I'm still interested in things FME. And still hope for something new to happen. If nothing happens, I'll not even bat an eyelid. I don't expect anything. I certainly don't have any right to bitch about something that I'm not entitled to. That I maybe don't deserve. That if I was to get, it would be for free.

At the end of the day, Guitar doesn't owe anyone anything. Neither does Wizard. Wizard already knows this of course but Guitar, I think he needs to learn to resist the shite that this scene can throw at people.

It's funny really how people can have such damning opinions of others when something provided totally free of charge, doesn't emerge, emerges late, or doesn't live up to expectations. I'm sure these same people will kick shit out of the postman when their giro comes a day late. Petrol bomb the hospital when they find out that their appointment for an MRI scan is 6 weeks after their back goes. Or maybe bitch and slag off the world on 'Becoming a Dad Forums' when their lovely partner fails to drop on time.

Shit. I posted this without even using a cryptic pathetic alternate user name. Point me to the chemical fire. I sense I need to suicide myself.........

[Daryl]

I have resurrected this old thread, just to bring it some Christmas cheer and a smile to our faces about how involved we could all get at times this past year, including me!

This is sung to the theme: 'Twelve Days of Christmas':

"The last time I mentioned FME, most of the scene did say to me":
f***, bollock, twat, why did you say that -
why did you do it, you've gone and blew it -
you've started all us rowing, because we've all been bowing - and creeping and catowing -
NOW-WE'LL-GET-NOTHING! -
I'm quitting the scene,
MAME will reign supreme,
I'm joining the IC team…
... and you can stick the secret emu up your own arse"!! -

Merry Xmas everyone!