Has anyone else noticed that all the fruit machine emulations, ROMS and Layouts are being sold by the hundreds on ebay? Is this allowed? I know that if I had made a layout, and someone was making a huge profit by selling it I wouldnt be too happy about it!
Is there anything that can be done to stop it? Ive emailed ebay with a few auctions that should be removed but I dont know if it worked. Maybe if enough of us reported these auctions then they may stop.
I dont have a problem with the spread of these emulators, but I dont thonk people should be profiting from them. They are making money from all the hard work you guys are putting in!
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Posted 29 July 2004 - 07:43 PM
If it was not for the cd i brought on ebay,i would not even have known that these fruit machines could be emulated,and would not have lead me to this wonderful site,a fruit machine players heaven
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Posted 30 July 2004 - 06:21 AM
i am the same, if i didnt buy the disc i would still be playing call of duty!
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Posted 30 July 2004 - 09:29 AM
This is a long running problem, and its been going on for ages 
I apologise for my awful username and previous posts from 13 years ago. I was a misguided chav.
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Posted 30 July 2004 - 10:26 AM
Checked ebay again this morning, and the auctions I reported have gone.. I used this link if you are interested.
http://pages.ebay.co...line/index.html
Selling CDR's on ebay that are not blank is a listing violation, and that seems to be why they removed them.
http://pages.ebay.co...line/index.html
Selling CDR's on ebay that are not blank is a listing violation, and that seems to be why they removed them.
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Posted 30 July 2004 - 11:59 AM
As buzzin_nutter says fruitmechanic this is a long running question.
If on the forums you click on the search at the top and type 'ebay' you will see several listings.
If on the forums you click on the search at the top and type 'ebay' you will see several listings.
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Posted 30 July 2004 - 11:35 PM
Hey - new to this board - I came across the ebay item and then found this board just by thinking "hey - he must have got it from some where i'll have a look....", I'm sure i'm not the only one. In fact the boards members must have shot up recently due to this guy???
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Posted 31 July 2004 - 02:28 AM
i bought this cd for 3 pounds from a car bootya dream come true......
pirating is nothing new............how legal is a rom...............
or the emulator to run it....who knows or gives a shite
IF YOU HAVE NOT EVER DOWNLOADED ANYTHING ILEGAL.....then feel free to REPLY HERE
craCks/Serials/keygens/roms/iso/rips..we all now///they freely available on the net
so if some one wants to make a few pennys......(at most all ebay fruity disks go for 4 pound if not less inc post pack cd...then let em..)if you on what ever speed......56k or 3meg......4 pound for a cd is not gonna stop em....then i say....let em.promotion of the fantastic emu...............
roms alone are a minefield for legal experts...........abadonware ect ect...........
for all those who disagree............THE AMIGA.....it is ilega; to own an image of an amiga game or operating system...total...the amiga 500 dates back to 1985ish.....
19 years on.......you can not emulate it......or own an amiga kickstart image...............
make your own minds up..............................
if you could buy a NINE dvd set for 15 POUNDS containing every GAME/DEMO off ebay...........what would you do////////////
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Posted 31 July 2004 - 03:48 AM
commenting on the comment about amiga software - it's worse than that....... (!!!!)
A lot of the c64 sites that existed have had to pull their software because
of moron companies/people that owned them. Like they're really gonna
profit from games pre 94?? (I went looking for boulderdash as the version
i have has been funked with, that's when i found 90% of my c64
bookmarks were now worthless)
Crapholes, the lot of them - just like the buggers for the old arcade games.
A lot of the c64 sites that existed have had to pull their software because
of moron companies/people that owned them. Like they're really gonna
profit from games pre 94?? (I went looking for boulderdash as the version
i have has been funked with, that's when i found 90% of my c64
bookmarks were now worthless)
Crapholes, the lot of them - just like the buggers for the old arcade games.
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Posted 31 July 2004 - 07:48 AM
craCks/Serials/keygens/roms/ iso /rips..we all now///they freely available on the net
an iso is not actually an illegal item. iso's are a form of compression just like a zip, rar, or ace file.
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Posted 31 July 2004 - 04:45 PM
madman wrote:
craCks/Serials/keygens/roms/ iso /rips..we all now///they freely available on the net
an iso is not actually an illegal item. iso's are a form of compression just like a zip, rar, or ace file.
hurtand165
thanx m8..its also a sign its not been ripped..copy of original...an iso is actually a perfect image of a cd/dvd ect....not a form of compression.
An iso is a file containing a cdrom disk image . This cdrom disk image is an exact copy of a cdrom. Think of it as the equivalent of a screen capture, but instead of capturing the information on a screen, this image captures all of the information on a particular cdrom. When burned as a disk image, the .iso file is turned into a duplicate cd of the original cd. If burned as a file, instead of a disk image, the cd becomes a copy of the downloaded .iso file, and not a bootable cd with accessible files and directories.
form of copying burning an original not a form of compression...
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Posted 31 July 2004 - 07:54 PM
Back to the origional topic.. Ebay today emailed me (must have been doing their head in!) They thanked me and said they will be contacting the machine manufacturers to make sure the ROMS are not allowed to be sold.
I know a lot of people do not aggree with me on this subject, but ive nothing better to do than rid ebay of all things evil!! Apart from that im of the opinion that free things should not be sold for a profit. A CD of this type could be made for less than 10 pence, add a stamp and a jiffy bag, and the total cost should not come to more than 60p. Anything over this is a profit. Some people on there make £4.60 for copying a cd and posting it. How many of them could you do in an hour? Lets say you take it slow and only do 10, that £46 an hour, how many of you earn that!
Rant over!!
I know a lot of people do not aggree with me on this subject, but ive nothing better to do than rid ebay of all things evil!! Apart from that im of the opinion that free things should not be sold for a profit. A CD of this type could be made for less than 10 pence, add a stamp and a jiffy bag, and the total cost should not come to more than 60p. Anything over this is a profit. Some people on there make £4.60 for copying a cd and posting it. How many of them could you do in an hour? Lets say you take it slow and only do 10, that £46 an hour, how many of you earn that!
Rant over!!
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Posted 31 July 2004 - 08:48 PM
Rant over!!
lol FM................But on a serious note as you said things are not sold here, is that then not a good idea not to associate FME with these quick buck kids on Auction sites?
Of course the Machine makers look at FME.....If we 'keep-our-noses-clean' though and don't get involved in the other issues then they may rightly regard us in a more favourable view?
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I personally totally agree with your comments as a lot of time has been put into these Emu's free-of-charge....In the same breath the machine makers had to invest a lot of money in making them in the first place, hence the reason Emu respects the unofficial 3 year rule. You may like to read the previous posts on this.
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Posted 31 July 2004 - 09:36 PM
Im not trying to associate sites like this one with the people who sell roms on ebay.. Okay the machine manufacturers clearly dont have a problem with the 3 year rule.. except empire for reasons that have been explained before. Nice one.
And im not impying (spelling?) that anyone here has anything to to with the ebay auctions. I was merely putting the point accross and getting a few opinions along the way.
Im not a newbie, infact ive followed this scene over its lifetime, but im just of the opinion that a profit should not be made.
"So you dont have any objections if I quit my job and make a full time living from fruit machine emulation selling cheap cdr's? Cool, I'll start tommorow."
Ive got a full list of the major sellers on ebay and intend to follow everyone of them up untill they end. Hell, im not even a layout designer, but its something in my head thats telling me its wrong to make a profit from other people work.
End of rant again, i wont bother anyone in the future.
Bye everyone and have a nice life, I know I will - £46 an hour for doing f*** all.
And im not impying (spelling?) that anyone here has anything to to with the ebay auctions. I was merely putting the point accross and getting a few opinions along the way.
Im not a newbie, infact ive followed this scene over its lifetime, but im just of the opinion that a profit should not be made.
"So you dont have any objections if I quit my job and make a full time living from fruit machine emulation selling cheap cdr's? Cool, I'll start tommorow."
Ive got a full list of the major sellers on ebay and intend to follow everyone of them up untill they end. Hell, im not even a layout designer, but its something in my head thats telling me its wrong to make a profit from other people work.
End of rant again, i wont bother anyone in the future.
Bye everyone and have a nice life, I know I will - £46 an hour for doing f*** all.
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Posted 31 July 2004 - 09:40 PM
One last thing, whats up with the time on here? Seems to be a few hours begind GMT.??
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Posted 31 July 2004 - 10:42 PM
Im not trying to associate sites like this one with the people who sell roms on ebay.. Okay the machine manufacturers clearly dont have a problem with the 3 year rule.. except empire for reasons that have been explained before. Nice one.
And im not impying (spelling?) that anyone here has anything to to with the ebay auctions. I was merely putting the point accross and getting a few opinions along the way.
Im not a newbie, infact ive followed this scene over its lifetime, but im just of the opinion that a profit should not be made.
"So you dont have any objections if I quit my job and make a full time living from fruit machine emulation selling cheap cdr's? Cool, I'll start tommorow."
Ive got a full list of the major sellers on ebay and intend to follow everyone of them up untill they end. Hell, im not even a layout designer, but its something in my head thats telling me its wrong to make a profit from other people work.
End of rant again, i wont bother anyone in the future.
Bye everyone and have a nice life, I know I will - £46 an hour for doing fuck all.
Not sure FM if this was a reply to my post, but if it is...what are you going on about?........Whether it is or not I can't see anybody saying the points you have answered (except for the 3 year rule), if your a newbie or not whats that got to do with it anyway?--If you followed FME that closely you would know that this has been attempted before anyway with auction sites........So good luck with your task!..........I really hope you get somewhere!
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Posted 01 August 2004 - 10:44 AM
8O personally i don,t think there is that much profit in these cdr,s.......
certainly not enuff to support you in place of a common wage......possibly if they selling cdr of fruitmachines...they also doin carbooty and sellin dvdr/games ect......anything that can be will be.beleive me I KNOW
there are actual websites sellin these and all major auction sites.your local paper/car booty iv,e even seen this on a laptop in an arcade in liverpool.......yep.the dvdr not cdr had every layout rom emu available including emp...plus those crap guides.pictures.even had that news clip about the emu being used in fairplay.............
6 gigs worth of shit on this dvdr...
20 pounds from a computer fair in preston............
so ebay is a drop in the ocean m8....
certainly not enuff to support you in place of a common wage......possibly if they selling cdr of fruitmachines...they also doin carbooty and sellin dvdr/games ect......anything that can be will be.beleive me I KNOW
there are actual websites sellin these and all major auction sites.your local paper/car booty iv,e even seen this on a laptop in an arcade in liverpool.......yep.the dvdr not cdr had every layout rom emu available including emp...plus those crap guides.pictures.even had that news clip about the emu being used in fairplay.............
6 gigs worth of shit on this dvdr...
20 pounds from a computer fair in preston............
so ebay is a drop in the ocean m8....
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Posted 01 August 2004 - 11:58 AM
Good luck too you.
This topic has sprung up many times over all the forums over the time.
These sales should be pulled just like actual fruit machines! They should be pulled before actual fruit machines but hey, that's too easy.
The question is then, why does a real fruit machine get taken off ebay bearing in mind it is a proper product which is sold by the respected companies but FME cds with the copyrighted material manage to stay in for the enitre aution term?
This topic has sprung up many times over all the forums over the time.
These sales should be pulled just like actual fruit machines! They should be pulled before actual fruit machines but hey, that's too easy.
The question is then, why does a real fruit machine get taken off ebay bearing in mind it is a proper product which is sold by the respected companies but FME cds with the copyrighted material manage to stay in for the enitre aution term?
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Posted 01 August 2004 - 03:30 PM
the way they get around it is by selling the time and effort it took them to compile the roms so they are not actually selling the contents, just the time to gather the contents....
i got into fruit machine emulation by buying a cd off ebay and im damn glad of it, im only 56k so would have took ages to gather all the fruitys ive got...
i also have bought a mame dvd(3 infact) from the states for $25(13ish quid), it has all 5200 currently available roms, would you want to find and download all of that on a 56k, nearly 15gb of stuff, not me...
the way i see it is there profit is my gain, if it were legal it would cost 2-3 times more and id still buy a copy off ebay.
i can understand you guys(and gals) spending you time doing layouts and other people profiting from them and all i can say is, if its a problem to you then charge for them, pook and troutman have done loads of layouts, they could do a sizeable cd to sell, but there is always the legal copyright issue thats if you want info on i could see my sister as retail and copyright law is her forte, then you could see if you can actually legally sell them..
i got into fruit machine emulation by buying a cd off ebay and im damn glad of it, im only 56k so would have took ages to gather all the fruitys ive got...
i also have bought a mame dvd(3 infact) from the states for $25(13ish quid), it has all 5200 currently available roms, would you want to find and download all of that on a 56k, nearly 15gb of stuff, not me...
the way i see it is there profit is my gain, if it were legal it would cost 2-3 times more and id still buy a copy off ebay.
i can understand you guys(and gals) spending you time doing layouts and other people profiting from them and all i can say is, if its a problem to you then charge for them, pook and troutman have done loads of layouts, they could do a sizeable cd to sell, but there is always the legal copyright issue thats if you want info on i could see my sister as retail and copyright law is her forte, then you could see if you can actually legally sell them..
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Posted 01 August 2004 - 07:21 PM
Vey true. Troutman offers the enire set if you send blanks + return postage.
Or at least, he used too. He may not now but that's how I got my set.
Or at least, he used too. He may not now but that's how I got my set.
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