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[nails]

Before i start, i'd like to pay my respects to the emergency services men and women who lost thier lives during the twin towers collaps. Let us also not forget the many many innocent men women and children who also lost their lives.

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What were you doing 10 years ago on September 11, 2001? I was working in a betting shop where we have a seperate screen for sport, somebody said put the news on and right infron of me, live on tv, the 2nd plane hit the tower. the following events are marked in history forever.

however strongly you may or may not feel, their are inconsistencies in the apparent events or findings. bellow is a cut and paste i found on a website. draw your own conclusions:-

LILY / 25 Jun, 2010 at 04:54 pm
I believe you should research the fact NORAD stood down and didn't shoot planes from the sky,
look into the fact that bombs were heard going off in the trade centres beforehand by the custodians.
How the firefighters discovered molten lava in the buildings and that jet fuel cannot burn that hot.
Possibly look into the fact that building 7 mysteriously was reported to have fallen even though it was in the shot behind the newsreader reporting the story, the fact that it was never hit by a plane yet mysteriously fell at free fall speed onto itself and not touching the builldings surrounding.
Oh, also, check out the fact that Larry Silverstein made sure the rubble was taken away in less than a fortnight. Ha the biggest "crime in history:" and he makes sure the evidence is gone before anyone can make a report. Just so you aren't 'ignorant on the issue'

[cainer]

the malten steel was malten for months and contained sulpher, a by-product of a thermite and/or thermate reaction

[cainer]

heres Hammond having some fun with some Thermite

[nails]

Thermite anyone??

ive read this one before, thermide burns with a bright orange flame - because of its iron oxide chemical compound. last time this was used was by the germans in ww2 with their blitz over london.

[cainer]

it was more likely thermate rather than thermite in the molten pools of steel as sulpher was present, some info on the 2 at wiki here.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermate

Edited by cainer, 13 September 2011 - 09:36 PM.

[Johnnyafc]

This was quite good on BBC 3

I blame MFME

Edited by Johnnyafc, 14 September 2011 - 07:20 AM.

[Bandits]

Interesting topic and video, I've watched endless hours of video footage and read lots of conspiracy theories, youtube is full of conspiracy theories and while not all of them are credible i reckon some of them are probably true,

Alot just don't add up like explosions were heard at the base of the twin towers and when the main metal structures of the building were examined the steel struts were clean cut off at an angle and experts comfirmed only explosives could of done this, Also the builders and architects of the twin towers said the towers were built to withstand a hit from such large aircraft and able to withstand much higher temperatures than the fires at the twin towers, Other theories are the twin towers themselves were insured for billions and an excuse to invade iraq with oil no doubt being top of the menu!

Do anyone remember on american live news they said a buiding near the twin towers (I forget the name of the actual building) had collapsed yet it was still standing so it was like the news was staged.

The plane attack at the pentagon makes less sense as there was no damage on the huge grass area in front of the damaged area were the huge plane had supposedly hit yet most of the damage was on ground level and also no lamp posts were hit or taken down.

America has said there will be more terrorist attacks and they want them to happen so people will scream for marshall law and give up thier freedom.

The latest conspiracy theory is that world goverments are planning to cull the population by as much as 80% because there are more people alive today than what's ever died and the planets resourses cannot sustain such a huge ever growing population. Checkout the link below

http://bardofely.hub...-the-population

Edited by Bandits, 14 September 2011 - 09:29 AM.

[todd1970]

Im a sceptic about this there are a lot of things that do add up and a lot of things that dont add up.

It was 9/11 week on Discovery channel last week and they were showing lots of programs about it..and when one of the towers collapsed..you could see puffs of smoke coming from the lower floor windows..something id never noticed before.

The pentagon attack as well dosent add up..as Bandits said on above post..the plane had to come in about 5-10ft off the ground ? so it would have had to fly like that for the last 5 or 10 minutes of its approach or it would have came in at too steep an angle.

Yet no-one seen or heard a thing ?...hmmm..still cant make up my mind about it..the jury is still out.

[duplu]

I was supporting a computer system implementation in the Shetland Islands and thought I wouldn't be able to get a plane home.

Conspiracy theories are all crap. Some planes hit some buildings and those buildings unsurprisingly collapsed, there were no bombs and no cover up. Bringing in 'experts' to say that the buildings shouldn't have collapsed and they saw explosions is pointless. The fact is that no amount of simulations or calculations is going to tell you what would happen in real life as this was a unique set of circumstances.

[gemini17]

I was working at Harrogate general.
It was surreal watching it,yet I wasnt shocked at all.We live in such an unstable world,with clusters of real mad individuals whom seek much more than power.
My thoughts will always be with the families of those who perished,it does not bare thinkin about what those people went through and suffered on that fateful day.
RIP

[Guitar]

Conspiracy theories are all crap.

Does that include the "official" conspiracy theory that 19 guys armed with boltcutters took over four planes and flew them into WTC1, WTC2 and the pentagon? Or just conspiracy theories you dont agree with are crap?

Some planes hit some buildings and those buildings unsurprisingly collapsed, there were no bombs and no cover up. Bringing in 'experts' to say that the buildings shouldn't have collapsed and they saw explosions is pointless. The fact is that no amount of simulations or calculations is going to tell you what would happen in real life as this was a unique set of circumstances.

How exactly are you so sure of that? Even the 9/11 comission wasnt THAT sure what happened.

Until a proper investigation is allowed to happen, that isn't held back at every turn, underfunded, and allows bush and cheney to provide evidence in secret, we likely wont know what happened.

Ive spent too long looking into the events of 9/11 and the coincidences that happened that day are far too many, and the actions of certain agencies afterward have been very suspicious. Anyone truly interested should do their own research, however a good start is "loose change final cut". If you get the chance watch loose change 1 and 2 as well. Its the same series but has been updated as new evidence has come available, and removing the shit.

There are hundreds of unanswered questions about that day, more than I could cover in a single post.

I don't claim to know what happened on 9/11. But like I said the official story is full of holes, so until it is investigated properly noone can say for sure what happened, so claiming "its all crap" has just as much merit as "it was an inside job" there is too litle evidence to support either theory conclusively. Both the official explanation and the inside job explanation are BOTH conspiracy theories (check the definition of conspiracy before arguing).

With that said here's a short video highlighting some issues in a fun way.

[jim2311]

The Big Bang Theory is a theory. The Earth being struck by a large Comet 65 million years ago resulting in the extinction of the Dinosaurs is a theory. Two passenger jets deliberately flown into the World Trade Centres on 9/11 is fact, not a theory.

If Bin Laden had been captured alive and had admitted that it was he and his fellow CONSPIRATORS that planned and carried out the 9/11 attacks, he would not be believed by conspiracy theorist. They would cite that he was being coerced into confessing (for whatever reason). His recent death was disputed by some conspiracy theorists, but claimed by other conspiracy theorists that he was killed because he was going to reveal the truth about 9/11. There is no end to it, the USA is the land of make believe.

For decades Americans have been subjected to works of fiction, in books and in film where Government cover-ups have played a big part in the story line. I don’t think US citizens can tell the difference between fact and fiction. Americans are paranoid, they see conspiracies every where they look.

Look at the Apollo Moon landing Conspiracy theorists, sadly not confined to the USA.

There are many Conspiracy Theories regarding the JFK assassination, from a Mafia hit to Business men threatened by his willingness to negotiate with Khrushchev to end the arms race and to enter into a joint space venture with Russia to save the tax payers billions of dollars. Some point to Khrushchev being ousted less than a year after Kennedy’s death as a sign the Russians were not to pleased with the idea of co-operation either. All these theorist point to theirs as being the real reason for his assassinated, but they all can’t be right.

Let’s not forget the Conspiracy theories surrounding the Alien Spacecraft being held under guard at Area 51, and how the government have been in negotiations with the Alien species since 1947

Maybe I should start my own Conspiracy Theory and say that all those who cry “Foul Play” by the US government are Al-Qaeda operatives and sympathizers attempting to discredit the US.

Oh wait …I’m talking nonsense, its all a big CONSPIRACY, America doesn’t exist.
Surely you don’t believe some guy called Columbus spent months crossing thousand of miles of high seas in a wooden sailing ship over 500 years ago. Why that’s impossible, it’s all a scam to get investors to part with their cash and to reduce the European population with promises of making your fortune in the New World, but in reality sending them all to a horrible death as they fall of the end of the World.

[cainer]

ive never heard anyone ever say that the planes didnt hit the buildings jim? of corse its a fact the planes hit the buildings.. but there are theorys as to why it happened and who was to blame
and as you say yourself "Two passenger jets deliberately flown into the World Trade Centres on 9/11 fact, not a theory" then you must agree that as more than 1 person must have been "in on it" it = conspiricy, wether you believe the official story or not, more than 1 person must have been involved

Edited by cainer, 15 September 2011 - 11:05 AM.

[Guitar]

Ive heard about the "no plane theory", that holograms were used or video's were dubbed over by news stations. And that theory even got rejected by us "crazy conspiracy theorists"

I do however have doubts about whether flight 77 was flown into the pentagon.

[nails]

youtube has a great no-plane video that was recoreded by 2 different news stations on a platform some 1 mile away. 1 version sees the plane and the other does not - meaning either a plane was added to one or subtracted to the other. the so called other version looked more like a small missile.

as for `no plane` i think is totally far fetched, but many many people reported that one particular plane had blacked out windows, and also the footage that clearly shows the explosion on a small `missile` shaped object strapped to the bottom of the plane.

so far this thread has seen both sides of the fence, i do however feel that duplu's statement cannot be backed up either way, just like a conspiracy theory. great to see people speaking their mind though.

[civilcalc]

I believe it was a conspiracy. There was so much for Bush to gain, this gave the people of American the fear they needed to put their faith in him. That he was going to protect them from this massive threat. Bush is a liar. He said in live broadcast on 11th September that he saw the first plane crash into the first tower just before going into a classroom to talk to some children. Well he couldn't have seen it, there is only one known video, made by the Nordet brothers (firefighters) and the that video only surfaced the following day. Or he did see it on some sort of covert camera in place by the FBI? Either way, he is not to be trusted.

Its also a well known fact that the Bin Laden family were once very close friends with Bush senior. Even having dinner in the Whitehouse! It is possible that Osama was the sacrafical lamb, and that the Bin Laden family were paid off to be the scapegoat (or lamb?). There was a considerable amount of gold stored in the world trade center that was never recovered. Maybe they are putting it in envelopes as we speak and sending it off to cashforgold.com??

They say the attacks were with military precision. And I totally agree. Its as if the military did it..........

If a plane crashed in to MI5 there would be a video. Could you imagine someone saying "errr there were no cameras" or "we didnt get it on tape". It would not stand up. All they have to do, to prove its not a big cover up, release a single frame of the plane just before impact. Thats it. But 10 years on, and still no footage.