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[handsome_rob]

[quote="Troutman"][quote=handsome_rob]
Nope wrong again, infact just yesterday in New York (IIRC) the courts ruled in favour of the P2P filesharing companies. Oh yes.
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2 days ago a court ruled that grokster and one other file sharing program network were not guilty of breaking any laws because their software does not have a server that points people to illegal file sharing

[megabitch]

END EFFECT -

If someone from SOME organization knocks on your door and finds "CERTAIN MATERIAL" downloaded on YOUR PC VIC20 OR WHATEVER thanx to this socalled "legal way" ....

.... THEN YOUR F..... 4 SURE !

[DialTone]

Your grasp of the laws of copyright are amazing. Do you have any proof to back up this opinion?

Actually, this is one of the terms and conditions for use of JPeMu (the ones you agreed to when you first used the software).

"3. All files produced by this software whose format is the intellectual property of the author (Namely .JEL layout files, .JIF information files and .JPM game files) ......."

So yes, the IP behind the layout technology is copyrighted by me.

Tony

[Geddy]

[quote="handsome_rob"][quote=Troutman][quote=handsome_rob]
Nope wrong again, infact just yesterday in New York (IIRC) the courts ruled in favour of the P2P filesharing companies. Oh yes.
[/quote]

2 days ago a court ruled that grokster and one other file sharing program network were not guilty of breaking any laws because their software does not have a server that points people to illegal file sharing[/quote]

Oh so you agree then. Good.

[Geddy]

[quote name='DialTone][quote']Your grasp of the laws of copyright are amazing. Do you have any proof to back up this opinion? [/quote]

Actually, this is one of the terms and conditions for use of JPeMu (the ones you agreed to when you first used the software).

"3. All files produced by this software whose format is the intellectual property of the author (Namely .JEL layout files, .JIF information files and .JPM game files) ......."

So yes, the IP behind the layout technology is copyrighted by me.

Tony[/quote]

..and you have gone through the procedure for copyrighting said material?

First Step - Collect Information
Step 2 - Select The Proper Copyright Form
Step 3 - Determine Who Has The Right To Register A Copyright
Step 4 - Properly Completing Registration Forms
Step 5 - Determining The Appropriate Archive Materials
Step 6 - Copyright Fees and Transmittal of Applications

...and of course you have done this for EVERY layout produced and so has every layout creator????

[duplu]

Well, certainly opened a can of worms there didn't I!

Remember guys this was only an idea based on an idea. Taking all your points into consideration I agree it would probably not be a good idea. The idea was originally just to help newbies download the machines quickly from this site. I agree now however that the very nature of torrents would mean that it could quite easily be linked from other sources, uploaded to suprnova and before long everyone has 3Gb of ROMs and layouts sitting on their hard drives much to the displeasure of the FM companies.

[DialTone]

..and you have gone through the procedure for copyrighting said material?

Yes, thank you. No need to copyright each layout, as it is the software and the Intellectual Property that is copyrighted, not the actual layouts themselves.

Anyway, what difference does it make? You agreed to those terms when you began using JPeMu lol. EULA anyone?

Tony

[handsome_rob]

[quote="Troutman"][quote=handsome_rob][quote=Troutman][quote=handsome_rob]
Nope wrong again, infact just yesterday in New York (IIRC) the courts ruled in favour of the P2P filesharing companies. Oh yes.
[/quote]

2 days ago a court ruled that grokster and one other file sharing program network were not guilty of breaking any laws because their software does not have a server that points people to illegal file sharing[/quote]

Oh so you agree then. Good.[/quote]

So in turn we agree that if duplu does as he suggested and uses fruit-emu as a server to point people to illegal copyright files that he could find himself in legal trouble?

Good, you can see someways to what Im saying then

[handsome_rob]

Well, certainly opened a can of worms there didn't I!

Remember guys this was only an idea based on an idea. Taking all your points into consideration I agree it would probably not be a good idea. The idea was originally just to help newbies download the machines quickly from this site. I agree now however that the very nature of torrents would mean that it could quite easily be linked from other sources, uploaded to suprnova and before long everyone has 3Gb of ROMs and layouts sitting on their hard drives much to the displeasure of the FM companies.

Not so much a can of worms, but it did raise serious questions that needed answering.

My concern, of course is for fruit-emu.

After watching the court case about grokster on court tv and finding out how it all works I think it would be a severely bad move to use f-e as a launch pad.

Of course, hosting what you are right now isnt legal at all, but at least we have been afforded a blind eye thus far, something we shouldnt look in the mouth, so to speak.

Since day one people have always tried to force things, and pushing too hard is not a good idea (mame.dk anyone?)

As long as you maintain a level of respect for the manus and dont push too hard then they'll size it up for what it is.
Getting FME off of the net would be an *extremely* time and cash consuming thing to do, but Im sure if the piss was taken too much they would eventually do it for the sake of themselves.

Personally Im happy with the way fme has been.
We have always had a good download site to download from (mpuworld, dxcellent and this place) and have always been responsible where responsibility matters.

As for roms on peoples hard drives....

As we know duplu, what people/manus dont know they cant prove, and what you cant prove cannot be damaging.
I mean, for all anyone knows there could be a pluto 5 emulator written, but as long as its kept under wraps it cant cause any damage.

I do understand that the costs of hosting and b/w are very expensive, and that alot of people refuse to contribute (after all its a very selfish world in which we live) however, I think that as with everything in FME you should just do it until you dont feel like it anymore then just bow out and let someone else pick up the ball (it's happened 3 times now, and im sure whilst theres still some lovin' to be had in fme that someone else would carry the torch if you decided to put it down)

Noone could, or should ask anymore than that tbh, the forums are an example.
Numerous forums have come and gone, closed and reopened, and even though it's caused alot of worry there's always been a place to get together and talk about stuff...

Why dont you do what pook did and trim down the content to say, 2 months of layouts, then delete from the back and replace the old ones with new ones?

Anyone that follows the scene will have all the layouts they need, the rest can find them in other ways

Finally I'd like to thank you and wozza for what is ultimately a very thankless task, I *do* appreciate what you are doing and have done here

[duplu]

suprnova can,t link to the seed as you need to register to the site before the torrent will start so nova will not accept it............

Wouldn't be so sure about that - Suprnova have tons of downloads which when you start them they then tell you that you need to register at another site first.

[ady]

erm.this is getting a little bit heavy for me.
what ever happens here should,t we be arguing........
............ :?

But we are Madman!!!.sorry trying to lighten up a little.........

There has been some real good points made here guy's.....There are a lot of things that are really sound--then the less thought about questions, this has at least allowed an answer to be submitted and people to understand why this may be dodgey ground (me for One)........And enlighten things a little.

The original post though was only a thought................So why the hell are we ripping each other to bits?

[PJ]

...machines like Tomb Raider, Wildthing or any other numerous machines have been released...

Wild Thing? Mfr?

[Geddy]

[quote name='DialTone][quote']..and you have gone through the procedure for copyrighting said material? [/quote]

Yes, thank you. No need to copyright each layout, as it is the software and the Intellectual Property that is copyrighted, not the actual layouts themselves.
[/quote]

So you have all the papers and paid all the fees? And was this for the UK, the USA and all the World?

Oh I thought Andy said the actual layouts were copyrighted? Also if they are as he claims you would have to do this for every single layout and since making the layouts would be boaderline copyright infringing anyway I think you might have some trouble. 8O

[Geddy]

Nope wrong again, infact just yesterday in New York (IIRC) the courts ruled in favour of the P2P filesharing companies. Oh yes.

2 days ago a court ruled that grokster and one other file sharing program network were not guilty of breaking any laws because their software does not have a server that points people to illegal file sharing

Oh so you agree then. Good.

So in turn we agree that if duplu does as he suggested and uses fruit-emu as a server to point people to illegal copyright files that he could find himself in legal trouble?

No. I think we 'must' be talking about two different cases or you have the wrong end of the stick. The P2P companies WON... get my drift???

Good, you can see someways to what Im saying then

Erm no....

[Geddy]

...machines like Tomb Raider' date=' Wildthing or any other numerous machines have been released...[/quote']
Wild Thing? Mfr?

Yeah Wild Thing was released along with other 'new' machines and what has happened apart from Empire pulling their 'support' (which was not really pulled but rather suggested to be pulled) ........erm nowt ziltch nada eff all. Copyright is copyright if the machine is 2 days old or 20 years old it makes no difference legal wise.

[mjj]

Just to clear copyright law up, copyright is something you do not have to register, it is a right in law, here's the advice straight from the Government's patent office pages:

http://www.patent.go.../definition.htm

[handsome_rob]

No. I think we 'must' be talking about two different cases or you have the wrong end of the stick. The P2P companies WON... get my drift???

Nah, it would seem you havent read this thread in it's entirety.

Duplu said in the first post he made that he would allow F-E to host the file and act as a server for the torrents.

Now, using information from the case involving grokster (which I watched every moment of) the software was indeed deemed as legal, however, that was only because it did not act as a server when running it's searches or point to illegal matierials in any way

Something fruit-emu would be doing by seeding torrents.

[handsome_rob]

Yeah Wild Thing was released along with other 'new' machines and what has happened apart from Empire pulling their 'support' (which was not really pulled but rather suggested to be pulled) ........erm nowt ziltch nada eff all. Copyright is copyright if the machine is 2 days old or 20 years old it makes no difference legal wise.

IIRC copyrights only last a given ammount of time.

Not that it's relevant here, but they do indeed expire after a certain ammount of time.