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[nails]

these are proposals agreed by the likes of BACTA etc, and forwarded to the gov for review -

£1 £100 cat c
£2 £1000 b3
£5 £10,000 b1
£100 £500 b2 - no change
£1? £400 b4 club
and at the bottom of the list -

20p £10 cat d

Edited by nails, 16 February 2012 - 11:00 PM.

[hurricane]

Well say good bye to the forcing method. Ain't no way you could tackle a cat. C and expect a profit. I wonder if the max repeat will increase to £300.

[fruitman69]

Like anyone can afford to play a B1 on £5 a spin in this climate, lol

[nails]

an interesting idea put forward was the fact that some great old machines like roller coaster on 20p £10 could make a come back to the arcades. IMO im not a lover of 10p £5.

[vectra666]

Does this mean an end to the 10p/£5 jacky machines if so that only means one thing another way of raking in more tax for our greedy government tryin to make a quick buck. extra money for the kids to throw away in what seaside arcades might be left I can,t see the old type roller coaster, andy capp machines making a comeback prob be another excuse for beelfruit,barcrest etc to make another 100+ dond video clones crap. another nail in the fruity industry/arcades I say. They prob want us gamblers to whack life savings if we have any lol at £5 a pop quicker it goes in more people playin pg, more money made next thing they,ll be changing to 2p/10p pushers to a quid 2 quid a pop lol. Another reason why I,m happy to have found this site cause still play the oldies without bankcrupting yourself in 10mins.

[gemini17]

Jackpot slots in casinos are set at £2/£4000.

I more than see this taking shape,as this is huge revenue not only for the gaming industry but also the country.

Sadly it does ring alarm bells for me(having had an addiction to slots),I see addiction only getting worse,not better.And offering bigger payouts,only fuels the gambler to put in more to achieve the big prize!
There are,so ive heard prototype slots being tested which will take credit/debit cards,to top up yr playing balance!-The bookies are set to get a trial run of these,as are casinos.I real hope if the rumours are true,that goverments step in stop such a slot being made.
Putting in yr debit card would mean you could transfer all of what you have in yr account onto a slot!
Where would any control be then-goodbye wage,bill payments etc!!!

Jay

[nails]

Jackpot slots in casinos are set at £2/£4000.

I more than see this taking shape,as this is huge revenue not only for the gaming industry but also the country.

Sadly it does ring alarm bells for me(having had an addiction to slots),I see addiction only getting worse,not better.And offering bigger payouts,only fuels the gambler to put in more to achieve the big prize!
There are,so ive heard prototype slots being tested which will take credit/debit cards,to top up yr playing balance!-The bookies are set to get a trial run of these,as are casinos.I real hope if the rumours are true,that goverments step in stop such a slot being made.
Putting in yr debit card would mean you could transfer all of what you have in yr account onto a slot!
Where would any control be then-goodbye wage,bill payments etc!!!

Jay

the gambling commission is quite clear that anybody withing to use their card MUST leave the play area, this is why cash machines are not `right next` to machines and you must leave a FOBT to get money loaded onto a machine via card.
no idea where your information came from, but go punch him in the bollox.

if you read my post again you will see the proposed casino (cat.b1) stake and prize have been set at £5 stake and £10,000 jackpot. i bet if you had £100,000 and you played on max bet you would NOT hit the jackpot once.

[gemini17]

I see what you put Nails.

And it still rings alarm bells! And yeah I more than agree with yr point,its giving people longer more coloufull rainbows to chase,with pots of gold at the end that they may reach but most will never see!
As to your point over cash machines etc,many arcades and bingo halls have them and many right next to the slots!
Technology is changing fast and wether what I was told is pure rumour or scare mungering!,it would never surprise me that the card unit was fitted to slots as the gaming industry daily trys to lure more people into its arms and moreover,keep its core gamblers and their money.
What do you think off the proposed stake changes?

Jay

Edited by gemini17, 17 February 2012 - 12:14 PM.

[nails]

its a double edge sword, what the customer wants and what the owner wants.

£5 £10,000 is just rediculous. imagine a casino with say 100 machines and you would be lucky to get 5 people playing on £5 a spin, even then, one of those may only have a couple of hundred to play. when its gone, its gone.

£2 £1000 b3 will of course be identiall in working to £1 £500. the GC should never have stepped in and changed it from £2 to £1 in the first place. once they saw their error they should have corrected it straight away, instead all they did as kinda aknowledged the error but just carried on.

£1 £100 cat c.. hmm the stake prize ratio of 100/1 is just too high. ok so £100 is not alot of money in general terms, to some thats a shopping trolley full. but to play the game it just becomes tedious. imagine a typical DOND, £20 £40 and then £100. the block from £40 to £100 is so high, its would be a forcers nightmare on a barcrest. £60 in to get £40 block and then a further £80 to get a chance at the £100. way too high. the days of 30p £10 are long gone as are the days of a decent play.

20p £10 cat d VAT exempt has to be the best idea put forward to date. decent value for money in regards to playability and the time it will take you to do your money.



Ive said for a long time now, too many big names such as nobles, labrookes etc have just sat back and been gratefull for the table scraps that the government gives them, bollocks, they are the user, THEY need to put their ideas and terms forward. remember when the big 3 bookies went off shore??? the tax was axes almost instantly. nobles needs the likes of global progressive jackpots and unlimited amounts of b3s, ladbrokes need to have the £500 block lifted. shit, you could get 1 million on a bet* but you can only get 13.80 on a number?? WTF a place of serious gambling where you could lose your home and the shirt off your back, but only the price of a round of drinks on a number.

If youhave been watching the media, the GC has got its claws into simon cowell in trgards to his red/black win a million - saying its too easy. a tv show is NOT gambling, its not always pot luck as since you do not have to play to enter, the prizes can be given at will.

Sometimes the commission gets it right, some times they get it wrong. but the consultations do not ask the right questions to the right people. rant over.

Edited by nails, 17 February 2012 - 12:04 PM.

[cardie]

So in about 4 years its gone from £25 to £35 to £70, now all pubs machines are what we used to call clubbers?

[nails]

well not entirely, you wont see a bod standard cops and robbers club in your local as such (this rule is actually bendable in arcades, you could have 3 b3's and one b4) since cat c and cat b4 are different, though a b4 could be 5p £75 my best guess is that it 'would' still be classed as as different platform.

i would agree however, that the higher the jackpot, the more winnig combinations are needed, vioala - 4 reel machines.

would be nice to have a CPCB in my local

[regvera]

Nails,

Why the hell would you want bookies to have the £500 FOBT limit lifted?

You can bet £100 a spin for 10 seconds of entertainment. What stake would you like for 10 seconds exactly?

Maybe you don't play these things. Just as well, if so.

http://www.newstates...om/200502210022

Reg

[russ8s]

Nails, Why the hell would you want bookies to have the £500 FOBT limit lifted? You can bet £100 a spin for 10 seconds of entertainment. What stake would you like for 10 seconds exactly? Maybe you don't play these things. Just as well, if so. http://www.newstates...om/200502210022 Reg

I think he means the prize limit of 500 lifted, if table limit is £100 then you can only get 4/1 on you money at the max stake, roulette you should be able to get 35/1, can't see the bookies being against it, the £500 cap payout made them a lot of money.

[nails]

Nails,

Why the hell would you want bookies to have the £500 FOBT limit lifted?

You can bet £100 a spin for 10 seconds of entertainment. What stake would you like for 10 seconds exactly?

Maybe you don't play these things. Just as well, if so.

http://www.newstates...om/200502210022

Reg

"Put simply, you can now walk up any high street, in any town, on any day of the week, at ten o'clock in the morning, and be able to feed - literally feed - anything up to £500 into a machine for one spin."

f*****g liar

*actually i take that back, if you look on the date, it was before the gaming bill was passed.

Edited by nails, 18 February 2012 - 11:38 AM.

[russ8s]

my local shop you could have £20 straight up, £40 spilts, £100 corners.... £500 on the evs outside bets. Once an aquaitance had a bank of near 18k on it!, all pre the 2005 changes.

[martin1975]

rollercoaster r back out on juice

[mart1711]

Interesting thread here!!! As you may have seen in one of my other posts i have a friend who sits on a particular commitee that discusses such things..

Firstly the conjecture/hearsay... I like to debate what i know about so ill throw this one in initially as a curveball, but im sure i recall ladbrokes advertising this trial of using debit cards in fobt's?? Maybe im wrong so i say it woth no authority!!! The terminals in edgware road certainly have chip and pin card readers...

The jackpots suggested seem pretty feasable and will no doubt get pushed through.. I could see the £1000 b3 coming for some time.. the others are pretty predictable.
Companies like Nobles etc DO have an input into these suggestions. A quick search will show plenty of articles and pdf's of submissions to the GC before the reintroduction of the £2 stake. The biggest lobbiests are Rank and Gala-Coral...

With regards to the FOBT £100 - £500 i really cant see this changing under any amount of pressure.. These limits were fought for by the casinos and the uk government and casinos are always hand in hand.. Before the gambling bill there was a time where it seemed FOBT's were going to be banned completely from bookmakers under the serious pressure from the uk casinos.. The casino "style" of games are considerd a direct competitor to the casinos product offerings, and will hence stop trade. The casino attracts a "higher roler" so to speak, although with the same payout percentages obviously churn through more cash.. They employ more human beings, which keeps the government happy, they attract a tax rate of up to 50% on profits etc etc The big companies that own the casinos also own the bookmakers so they also are happy to keep the status quo..

Im all for £100 jackpot in a pub tho IMO