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[mattygg]

Hi all, i have been a member for about a year, mostly just downloading fruity's. Recently though i have been reading the forums and i have a few questions.

1. How do you go about getting the rom from a fruit machine onto the computer. I mean do you email the company and they send it to you, or do you have to actually do something with the original machine.

2. Does anyone remember a fruity about 5/6 years ago, i think it was called "Viva" something. It had a square board and it was set at the seaside. The nudges and features were on candy canes. There was also another one which was the same except it was situated in a pub. If you know what they are have they been emulated.

3. Why dont some companies let you emulate some of their machines. What reason do some give.

4. Lastly, how long has MPU/5 been in? How is it different from MPU/4 and why cant it be emulated yet? Obviously i understand that companies wont let you emulate new machines, how long is it until they let you?

5. I was thinking about buying a fruit machine and putting it into a pub. Whats the procedure? How much profit do they make? How much does rent cost?

Sorry about putting these all in one post.

Thanks in advance

Matt

[EvilB]

Because I'm from Holland I can't answer all of your questions, but I'll try to answer a few...

1) The procedure for getting a ROM in your PC is a siple one, but it'll cost ya You buy an EPROM-reader (or EEPROM-reader), which is a piece of hardware you can connect to your PC. Then you have to find people who actually own a fruitmachine (or a shop which sells them to get more ROMs at once ) and you physically put the EPROM from the machine in your reader. Because I don't live in the UK I can't provide you with adresses where you could buy an EPROM-reader, but the may cost about 50 pound max.

3) What's in it for them? nothing. Why let people emulate their machines and lose a bit of income, because people can lose their need to gamble at home...

4) MPU 5 has been around since 1996, a couple of machines have been build after that period with MPU4 boards, but most of the new Barcrest machines have been build on MPU5 technique. Companies won't let you emulate their machines, but I believe they'll look away if you've waited long enough emulating a machine after the machine has been taken out of the roulation.

I hope my answers helped you a bit.

[RB]

1. No the roms are acquired by purchasing the original machine and reading the roms with an eprom reader...

2. Viva espana is a holiday based fruit machine...Body match is the only machine i remember with candy canes..

3. Manu's turn a blind eye to older no money making machines..newer machines could...but not in reality..give insight into machine weakness,s so are a no no...and a lot of newer machines technology are unemulated due to complexity and security issues...

4. since about 1996...a complete board revision with added security features.

5. You need a licence for gaming issues...local council can help with this. depends on the pub trade on percentage settings

[lincs leisure R us]

RE: QUESTION 5. if u site a fruit machine into a pub you would need to have a license for it.if u don't apply for 1 then this could happen :jailed: the best way to make real good money is to site the machine on a 50/50 share's basis rather than rental.but either way you would be responsible for any repair's whilst on site.

hope this info helps

markus

[iain1]

I know the one you mean,I dont think its on here!!!

[Bencrest]

1. How do you go about getting the rom from a fruit machine onto the computer. I mean do you email the company and they send it to you, or do you have to actually do something with the original machine.

Somebody that owns the machine, or operates one, reads the ROMs using an EPROM reader, and then stores them as files on a computer. The manufacturers wouldn't supply ROMs, although I assume that Empire did while they supported the scene.

2. Does anyone remember a fruity about 5/6 years ago, i think it was called "Viva" something. It had a square board and it was set at the seaside. The nudges and features were on candy canes. There was also another one which was the same except it was situated in a pub. If you know what they are have they been emulated.

Hmm, all I'm really aware of would be Viva Las Vegas Six! and Viva Espana, could well be a clone of one of those machines?

3. Why dont some companies let you emulate some of their machines. What reason do some give.

The company that has specifically requested that we do not host their ROMs on the internet is Empire. They were originally supporters of emulation, but due to machines other then those they gave up permission to emulate being emulated, they withdrew support. In other cases it isn't that the manufacturer has specifically disallowed it, but that there is simply no emulator available.

4. Lastly, how long has MPU/5 been in? How is it different from MPU/4 and why cant it be emulated yet? Obviously i understand that companies wont let you emulate new machines, how long is it until they let you?

From what I remember, Barcrest used the MPU5 from about August 1996. Since then it has also been used by BWB, Vivid, Red Gaming and Empire [possibly a couple of other manufacturers too]

It can't be emulated simply because there is no emulator, and nobody capable of writing one seems interested in doing so. There is some encryption of MPU5 ROMs which would make it more difficult to run them, although that could be overcome if people put the effort in.

In basic terms, using the ROMs and Artwork from a machine is illegal. However, it is understood by many that as long as a machine is at least 3 years old, that the emulation of it would have no impact on a manufacturers operations. Some sites [this one inparticular], will therefore not have ROMs on from machines unless they are at least 3 years old.

5. I was thinking about buying a fruit machine and putting it into a pub. Whats the procedure? How much profit do they make? How much does rent cost?

Not recommended. While they can make excellent profits, there are drawbacks.

1) Getting spares and being able to offer a good service to the site,
2) Needing licenses to operate machines [pretty expensive from what I remember].

You wouldn't rent a machine yourself. You can buy a perfectly good £25 JP machine for about £100>£150, albeit a couple of years old. Rent on one of these would normally be about £30 for a pub.

Sorry about putting these all in one post.

Thanks in advance

Mattp

[PJ]

...It had a square board and it was set at the seaside. The nudges and features were on candy canes....

Sounds like one from 1998, an early Global, and a clone of The Italian Job / Homer's Meltdown - did it have SFX such as "if I catch you again, you'll see my truncheon" (laughing policeman), and "I can see our hotel from here" (big wheel); was there a blonde in a red bikini licking the features cane?

...There was also another one which was the same except it was situated in a pub. If you know what they are have they been emulated...

Sounds like On The Pull, or Spotted Dick, the latter of which is indeed emulated on this site


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The seaside one is called How Big's Your Rock - piccy included :-D

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[ady]

I know the one you mean,I dont think its on here!!!

Now isn't that just so helpful!!!!!

[ziggy]

Does anyone know if its possible to emulate How Big Is Your Rock ?

[ziggy]

Cheers for that bit of info DAD.

Oh well, just have to wait and see if things can be resolved over time.

In the meantime Spotted Dick is just as good if not better ( pc plod anyone ) for its sound fx'.

[fruitymad2003]

I know the one you mean' date='I dont think its on here!!![/quote']

Now isn't that just so helpful!!!!!

lmfao