Child Murderers - What Do You Think We Should Do?
Started by Daryl, Aug 10 2012 03:47 PM
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#41 Guest_barcrest junky_*
Posted 12 August 2012 - 07:02 PM
I have changed my thinking on this over time. I was originally with the hang 'em high brigade, but throughout life events have occurred and now I feel they were right in 1965 to pass the law which consigned the death penalty for murder to the history books.
I often look at the case of the Moors murderers which interested me as they were put away for life some 4 days after I was born back in May 1966. Myra was desperate to get release from prison and applied for parole many times but was always turned down. She finally died in prison in 2002 some 36 years later. Brady has tried to kill himself many times and indeed many have tried to kill him since he has been locked away. He is currently trying to starve himself to death and taking the British government to court as they are trying to keep him alive.
Seeing the efforts Brady and Hindley went through to escape their jails convinces me that death would have been too quick and a blessed relief for them.
What does irritate me about the life sentence for murder is that when the law was changed back in 1965 it was made absolutely clear in parliament was that if the death penalty was abolished for murder that the replacement would be life in prison and life must mean life. This aspect is being eroded and that is wrong. Many murderers now get released after serving only 15 years and that is wrong; they should never be allowed to enoy the normal freedoms of life again. For a time I actually used to argue that Hindley was being unfairly treated in that she could see other murderers being released and yet her case was always turned down. It is a moot point now she has died, but I did have a certain sympathy for her as she led a very brutal life as a child, her father was a complete thug who insisted she fight back at all times. This combined with a chance meeting with a murderous psychopath was to change her life totally.
To put this in context I strongly suspect that rose west will be released from prison one day and she is pure evil.
Looking at the latest reports on this they have now charged the grandmother with murder as well as the boyfriend. If some early posters had had their way then the boyfriend may already be hanging from the local lamppost when actually the grandmother may well be the killer and his only crime was to hide it. We don't know. All we do know is bright bubbly 12 year old girl has died it what looks like a case of murder. Rest in peace Tia Sharp. You did not deserve this end and I hope the perpetrators of any crime to end you life are bought to justice and pay a due sentence of life imprisonment.
As to the earlier arguments of prison warder or warden; in Britain you can use either, they are synonymous.
bj
I often look at the case of the Moors murderers which interested me as they were put away for life some 4 days after I was born back in May 1966. Myra was desperate to get release from prison and applied for parole many times but was always turned down. She finally died in prison in 2002 some 36 years later. Brady has tried to kill himself many times and indeed many have tried to kill him since he has been locked away. He is currently trying to starve himself to death and taking the British government to court as they are trying to keep him alive.
Seeing the efforts Brady and Hindley went through to escape their jails convinces me that death would have been too quick and a blessed relief for them.
What does irritate me about the life sentence for murder is that when the law was changed back in 1965 it was made absolutely clear in parliament was that if the death penalty was abolished for murder that the replacement would be life in prison and life must mean life. This aspect is being eroded and that is wrong. Many murderers now get released after serving only 15 years and that is wrong; they should never be allowed to enoy the normal freedoms of life again. For a time I actually used to argue that Hindley was being unfairly treated in that she could see other murderers being released and yet her case was always turned down. It is a moot point now she has died, but I did have a certain sympathy for her as she led a very brutal life as a child, her father was a complete thug who insisted she fight back at all times. This combined with a chance meeting with a murderous psychopath was to change her life totally.
To put this in context I strongly suspect that rose west will be released from prison one day and she is pure evil.
Looking at the latest reports on this they have now charged the grandmother with murder as well as the boyfriend. If some early posters had had their way then the boyfriend may already be hanging from the local lamppost when actually the grandmother may well be the killer and his only crime was to hide it. We don't know. All we do know is bright bubbly 12 year old girl has died it what looks like a case of murder. Rest in peace Tia Sharp. You did not deserve this end and I hope the perpetrators of any crime to end you life are bought to justice and pay a due sentence of life imprisonment.
As to the earlier arguments of prison warder or warden; in Britain you can use either, they are synonymous.
bj
#42
Posted 12 August 2012 - 09:20 PM
OMG, so sad, well i know what i would do, hang him/her upside down on my butchers hooks. slice his/her throat watch them bleed to death. then feed them to a pack of hungry pigs. (CHILD KILLERS) grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. People like that deserve to die.
P.S. rest in peace all kids that have died recently.
P.S. rest in peace all kids that have died recently.
#43 Guest_ricardo de ponsa_*
Posted 12 August 2012 - 09:41 PM
@Jonas Now that's a big word BJ used at the end of his post. Look it up in your new dictionary!!!!!!!!!!!!!As to the earlier arguments of prison warder or warden; in Britain you can use either, they are synonymous.
bj
#44
Posted 13 August 2012 - 12:13 AM
A question for all those petitioning to bring back the death penalty.
If a person is found guilty of murder and is duly executed, and is later found to be innocent, does that make all of you murderers, and should you all therefore be executed as per the law for taking a life?
If a person is found guilty of murder and is duly executed, and is later found to be innocent, does that make all of you murderers, and should you all therefore be executed as per the law for taking a life?
#45
Posted 13 August 2012 - 09:54 AM
as i've already replied to this topic you all know my views on it we,re all entitled to our own optinon on this but too the people who say you're as bad as the killers themselves, what if it was your relatives of friends that had been mugged, raped or murdered you might change your reply then
Totally agree if it was one of thier own kids / family i think it would have a whole new meaning!
Hold Yer Plums Or Go For The Melons
#46
Posted 13 August 2012 - 10:37 AM
Totally agree if it was one of thier own kids / family i think it would have a whole new meaning!
Agree totally with you there Bandits , its a total 'grey area' but god forbid someone harmed any of my kids , id gladly do time for ABH or whatever..they better make sure the police get to them first.
I know probably 2 wrongs dont make a right , but its defo not the way i would see it if any of my family were involved.
Mmmmmm...Sandy ive 'ad her ye know.
#47
Posted 13 August 2012 - 12:52 PM
I wish they would report everytime someone dies in a car crash on the front of the papers , the press are c**ts they will tell you how bad this is then hack the victims phones , also later on they will have an exclusive interview with the killer and pay him $£$£$ , now just to go over what I said , Yes this is a horrible thing and very sad for those concerned but thousands of children are killed all over the world , some made to work as slaves some forced to have sex ect ect , if I was going to get angry it would be to our government for letting this stuff happen or turning a blind eye , now they /you will say its nothing to do with us , but if it concerned oil/gas reserves we be there army , navy the fu**ing lot .
so to sum up very sad yes but like ive said I wont read about this as it doesnt concern me I dont want to know
also havnt bought a paper in 6 years =)
ps buy l4d2 and come play on my server
so to sum up very sad yes but like ive said I wont read about this as it doesnt concern me I dont want to know
also havnt bought a paper in 6 years =)
ps buy l4d2 and come play on my server
Edited by policematrix, 13 August 2012 - 12:53 PM.
#48 Guest_ricardo de ponsa_*
Posted 13 August 2012 - 01:32 PM
A little 'Off Topic' but nonetheless relevant.
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Edited by ricardo de ponsa, 13 August 2012 - 01:35 PM.
#49
Posted 13 August 2012 - 08:03 PM
Oi Jonas,
I am not a sad little keyboard warrior (spelt correctly). As a first post, you come across as a bit of a dick. You need to think before you start slagging people off on this forum, especially moderators and long term members. A suggestion would be that if you have nothing constructive to say then say nothing.
Im only quoting opinions, why post such a sensitive topic if you not going to like others opinions for gods sake.
All im saying is whatever the hell happened to innocent until proven guilty? People should try reserve judgement until we find out the truth about what happened to the poor girl.
I just don't see how how people can damn someone so quickly without knowing the full story. Until he is found guilty, this is called SLANDER and *IF* he were to be innocent (I said IF) then he could sue the maker of this page. Know the law, people.
#50
Posted 13 August 2012 - 08:17 PM
Until he is found guilty, this is called SLANDER and *IF* he were to be innocent (I said IF) then he could sue the maker of this page. Know the law, people.
I am the maker of this "page" and if you actually read my opening thread post, you will find that I haven't mentioned anything about any individual in this tragic case.
My question to the members of this site was a simple one, what do we do with child murderers? I haven't mentioned what we should do with any individual, but in a broad term, with regards to deaths over the years of children who have been murdered.
I might not know the law in full, but I do know I have a right to free speech, without incriminating anyone... and within this thread I am within the boundaries of the British judicial system, of which I so wish the death penalty was a part of.
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#51
Posted 13 August 2012 - 08:29 PM
In addition, it would be libel not slander as it's written not spoken. Either way, as the case has been so widely reported, it is my opinion that it would be very difficult to prove defamation...
Other than that, you're spot on
Other than that, you're spot on
Edited by Magz, 13 August 2012 - 08:30 PM.
#53 Guest_barcrest junky_*
Posted 13 August 2012 - 08:36 PM
Im only quoting opinions, why post such a sensitive topic if you not going to like others opinions for gods sake.
All im saying is whatever the hell happened to innocent until proven guilty? People should try reserve judgement until we find out the truth about what happened to the poor girl.
I just don't see how how people can damn someone so quickly without knowing the full story. Until he is found guilty, this is called SLANDER and *IF* he were to be innocent (I said IF) then he could sue the maker of this page. Know the law, people.
I believe you will find that slander is an oral crime, something said. The term you were looking for was libel, which concerns the written word.
bj
EDIT - apologies Magz, you beat me to it. Just had to quote a post of such delicious irony, wouldn't want the post edited out without a copy preserved for posterity.
Edited by barcrest junky, 13 August 2012 - 08:39 PM.
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#54
Posted 13 August 2012 - 08:52 PM
Considering that the last person hanged in Britain turned out to be innocent I don't think there is much of a chance. What we need is to be allowed to know if any known paedophiles are living in our neighbourhood, or even consider chemicall...
y castrating them like they did before, not sure which era, but if you rape/molest any man, woman or child you should forfeit your right to ever have sex again. Might make people think twice...
y castrating them like they did before, not sure which era, but if you rape/molest any man, woman or child you should forfeit your right to ever have sex again. Might make people think twice...
#55 Guest_barcrest junky_*
Posted 14 August 2012 - 05:50 AM
Considering that the last person hanged in Britain turned out to be innocent
I think you'll find there were simultaneous executions of 2 people as the last hangings in Britain and whilst one was clearly innocent the other was not, but we don't know which.
Is the slow one back again?
bj
#56
Posted 14 August 2012 - 10:12 AM
This seems to be a very sore topic for some. As it has already been stated on here, with todays DNA and Forensics, it would make it very hard for an innocent person to be hanged. Someone said that you could tamper with the evidence, yes you could but that would make you a killer and you would hang!.
As for pedos and rapists, why don't we just brand them with a P or R on their foreheads so we would know who they were, oh wait you can't do that because of their human rights. About time the human rights bill was rewritten so it stopped protection these arseholes.
Jonas you say why not castrate the pedos and rapists? I take it you have never been with a woman because you don't need a penis to commit a sex act on someone.
I hope that when this animal goes to prison he gets his just rewards, it not only other prisoners who hate child killers?
As for pedos and rapists, why don't we just brand them with a P or R on their foreheads so we would know who they were, oh wait you can't do that because of their human rights. About time the human rights bill was rewritten so it stopped protection these arseholes.
Jonas you say why not castrate the pedos and rapists? I take it you have never been with a woman because you don't need a penis to commit a sex act on someone.
I hope that when this animal goes to prison he gets his just rewards, it not only other prisoners who hate child killers?
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#57
Posted 14 August 2012 - 04:58 PM
i think this post is totally disgusting and very disrespectful for the following reasons Once again people are jumping to conclusions... Idiots.
A Body has been found, but has it been confirmed, as of 11/08/2012 at 03:43 that it is the body of Tia Sharpe? No it hasnt. Very disrespectful especially to her family and to all be sat here mourning RIP Tia when she might even be alive....Come on people, have a bit of respect.
Its also odd how your all assuming its a murder case*, many are calling for death and violence. Well done, you are no better than the person that commited the origianl crime ;-) we're nearly back in lynch mob times clearly, You obviously have no interest in the case and are jumping on the dark ages violence bandwagon. Calling for voilence over violence and thinking you're on higher ground. you are no better than Ian Huntley or this guy because you are seeing violence as a solution. not here disputing this or any other case, I'm here pointing out how hypocritical you're all being. Who said this guy is guilty? So the person hasnt been charged with anything and certainly hasnt been convicted of any crime yet and here you are drooling for his death over what you see on the news, Bloody Hell, you should be be spokespeople for this case I'm sure with your great debating skills and narrowmindedness, you'll get very far and obtain many followers. and Seeing as this person has been charged of no crime yet then isnt this post a bit presumptuous?
*Still being investigated, obviously speaking metaphorically.
Why make such a stupid dumbass hypocritical post, where you jump on the bandwagon from behind your screens, baying for the blood of others over blood spilt (of a victim you can't even name properly). Harming/murdering a murderer doesn't make everything okay, nor does it reverse the crime, it just sends us back to the dark ages.
To tell the truth, Your all nothing but a sad bunch of pathetic little keyboard warriers that haven't got the slightest clue to what the facts are !!!
Apart from the totally unnecessary last line that was the most sensible post I've read on this topic so far.
What makes me laugh is the people who talk about how 'killers should be killed' are usually the same people who bang on about how people in the middle east are barbaric in their way of life and shouldnt be allowed Sharia law in this country, or infact even live in this country.
#58
Posted 14 August 2012 - 05:33 PM
Apart from the totally unnecessary last line that was the most sensible post I've read on this topic so far.
What makes me laugh is the people who talk about how 'killers should be killed' are usually the same people who bang on about how people in the middle east are barbaric in their way of life and shouldnt be allowed Sharia law in this country, or infact even live in this country.
Actually, I quite agree with the way people are treated in the Saudi judicial system.
As for them living in this country... well I am not a racist, so I haven't an opinion on that.
I do believe though that a lot more people, especially the younger generation, would think more seriously about their actions, if punishments were more severe than an ASBO or a new Nintendo for their 'luxury' prison apartment.
All The Best
Daryl
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On 23 June 2011, I was diagnosed with Alzheimers Disease In November 2012, I was diagnosed with Parkinson's Disease and Parkinsonian Syndrome too.
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#59 Guest_barcrest junky_*
Posted 14 August 2012 - 07:36 PM
Apart from the totally unnecessary last line that was the most sensible post I've read on this topic so far.
Why the hell would you start reading a thread just after post 18 and stop just before you get to post 20?
Please don't encourage the slow one at the back to make further posts. Every one makes him look more stupid and he clearly hasn't heard of Mark Twain's famous saying "It is better to have people think you a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt".
What makes me laugh is the people who talk about how 'killers should be killed' are usually the same people who bang on about how people in the middle east are barbaric in their way of life and shouldnt be allowed Sharia law in this country, or infact even live in this country.
You are sly the way you substituted murderer and executed for killers and killed, trying to bring them down to the same level, when clearly they are not. Some may be fooled by your trickery, but don't worry because I am here to point out things like that. I disagree with execution, as I pointed out, but many do believe in it and without the additional racists baggage you also try to hang on them.
bj
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#60
Posted 14 August 2012 - 08:26 PM
Hmm it's a tricky topic because there really is no clear cut answer to it. However, the way things are now, innocent people are not getting killed, but somewhat of a justice is still be served. It's the only safe bet at this point in time.
If we were to bring back the death penalty, the fact is, that it would be extremely likely that innocent people would have their lives taken. This isn't to say that without the death penalty, all of a sudden innocent people don't blamed for crimes they didn't commit. However, there is no going back on the death penalty.
In the same point, you also have to consider that the severity of the punishment, in reality, can only be measured by the affect it has on the one being punished. By that I mean - myself for example, I would dread being kept alive and in prison for the rest of my days. I would rather be executed.
The death penalty isn't really a subject anyone can have a definitive opinion on either way, looking at different past cases show perfect examples and valid arguments for both sides.
It is easy to come to the conclusion "kill the f***ers, so they can rot in Hell" and I can totally see peoples reasons for immediately leaning towards that. However, nothing is that clear cut. The way the system works now, at least provides some balance of Justice, taking into account both views.
If we were to bring back the death penalty, the fact is, that it would be extremely likely that innocent people would have their lives taken. This isn't to say that without the death penalty, all of a sudden innocent people don't blamed for crimes they didn't commit. However, there is no going back on the death penalty.
In the same point, you also have to consider that the severity of the punishment, in reality, can only be measured by the affect it has on the one being punished. By that I mean - myself for example, I would dread being kept alive and in prison for the rest of my days. I would rather be executed.
The death penalty isn't really a subject anyone can have a definitive opinion on either way, looking at different past cases show perfect examples and valid arguments for both sides.
It is easy to come to the conclusion "kill the f***ers, so they can rot in Hell" and I can totally see peoples reasons for immediately leaning towards that. However, nothing is that clear cut. The way the system works now, at least provides some balance of Justice, taking into account both views.
Edited by mocochoco, 14 August 2012 - 08:27 PM.
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