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[jonas]

You are sly the way you substituted murderer and executed for killers and killed, trying to bring them down to the same level, when clearly they are not. Some may be fooled by your trickery, but don't worry because I am here to point out things like that. I disagree with execution, as I pointed out, but many do believe in it and without the additional racists baggage you also try to hang on them.

bj

Is your point supposed to make any sense? hardly any relevance to what we're debating here.

[jonas]

Sooo because you can't support your arguement, you've succumb to insulting those who are clearly more educated than you. Well done buddy, you've won this time! Curse you!!

[mocochoco]

Also, aside from my previous point......... Jonas, have you just signed up to this forum to debate with community members on this topic? What a waste of time. I'm sure there are much more in-depth debates about this on more appropriate forums than here.

Or is it that you are a community member who, for whatever reason, is somewhat feeling the need to mask your true opinions with another account? Just curious.

Edited by mocochoco, 14 August 2012 - 08:41 PM.

[Daryl]

With regards to my reply in the Shout Box:

“I’ll have a ‘P’ please Bob”!!

[jonas]

I think you'll find there were simultaneous executions of 2 people as the last hangings in Britain and whilst one was clearly innocent the other was not, but we don't know which.

Is the slow one back again?

bj

I told you that the last person to be hanged in Britain was later found to be completely innocent. Your oh so clever reply was to tell me that, in fact, TWO people were hanged at the same time and one of them was guilty but we don't know which. You were trying to sound like you were well educated on the subject but just reminded me that you haven't a clue what you are on about. So unless your response had some hidden meaning that I'm "too slow" to understand, then you need to cop on.

[vectra666]

@jonas its not about being educated these days people can just google it. and the last 2 people to be hanged in this country were they hanged using the same bit of string lol like a pair of nuts swinging in the breeze rofl. As bob dylon once said, "the answer my friend in blowing in the wind"

[jonas]

Right, I'll try and put it in a form so simple that even Mr Jonas here gets it.

You post to this thread a statement that "the last person to be hanged in Britain was later found to be completely innocent". I replied with the fact that on the occasion of the last hanging in Britain there were 2 men hung simultaneously. This is a merely a statement of fact, so you cannot possibly know or state which was THE last, because they were simultaneous. Simultaneous means at the same time.

The last part of your statement about later being found to be completely innocent is also crap, on the basis it was known all along that ONE of them was innocent, so there was no "later found to be completely innocent" as it was a matter of fact at the time of the hanging. Interestingly the jury still found both men involved guilty of the crime of murder, knowing that both would go to the gallows and they were condemning a man innocent of the crime of murder, to death. No doubt he was guilty of another crime, but murder it was not. Neither have ever be found to be completely innocent and without a doubt both were there committing robbery at the time of the murder.

So, there you have it, what my response actually meant and why I posted it.

I personally think you are confusing that case with the James Hanratty and the A6 murder case. Sadly, however much his family protested his innocence, DNA evidence conclusively proved his guilt in 2002, some 40 years after he was hanged.

bj

Congratulations on your discovery of Wikipedia. My fault with your statement is that you seem to think that it's at all relevant that two were hanged simultaneously, seeing as my whole point is that one was innocent of the crime he was being hanged for. Whether or not another man was being hanged at the same time is completely besides the point. The death penalty will never be brought back, because of how difficult it can be in some cases to 100% prove a person's guilt, now matter how much we (the public) are convinced by his guilt from some preliminary news reports.

[Johnnyafc]

[Daryl]

There is a legal reason why the death penalty will never be brought back and it because whilst we as a country remain signed up to the ECHR the death penalty would be a direct contravention of EU law and you can thank Tony and Cherie Blair for that one.

bj

Oh I have done many a time BJ mate.

[jonas]

What bearing does where or when I source information from have any bearing on the point in question - f*** all that's how much of a bearing. I got into trouble at school once when I correctly answered a "difficult" question and the teacher said that someone told me the answer. When I responded that that was completely obvious and was she stupid or something, she took offence. My first post to this thread, feels like weeks ago now, was about my feelings on the question raised by Daryl and how my thoughts on murder and punishment had changed over the years with direct reference to probably th emost notorious child killers this country has ever seen. Perhaps that post may have indicated to you that this is a topic I have studied and committed significant time to?



It is completely relevant when you consider the definition of the word LAST and the fact that that is the adjective you used in your post.



Your whole point was that the LAST person hanged was completely innocent. I pointed out that as the 2 were hanged simultaneously we cannot possibly know whether that is correct.



It is completely the point when you illustrated your post by using the word LAST and you cannot possibly know whether he was or was not the LAST. How many more times for the slow one at the back to take in that simple fact.



There is a legal reason why the death penalty will never be brought back and it because whilst we as a country remain signed up to the ECHR the death penalty would be a direct contravention of EU law and you can thank Tony and Cherie Blair for that one.

bj

If two people were hanged simultaneously then they were both hanged last... One was innocent, and I don't see why picking my words apart makes it seem to you that I am somehow wrong, you're just nit-picking to try and prove me wrong or something. Youre nothing more than an person who is unable to admit defeat. All you can do back is gesture that you're uninterested. Give it over you fool. You're the one who needs to wake up! Get your head out of your hole..

Post Edited : Jonas please do not use the C word on the forums , IMO it is a disgusting and unnaceptable word , i think you know the way this works.

[todd1970]

I think this thread has run its course , we have all had different points of view , some agree others dont.

To avoid it getting into one of those pointless back and forward for 100 pages type threads the thread will now be locked.