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[Bencrest]

I've been having some problems getting the jackpot out of a few layouts (blocks that I can't get through, that kind of thing), and thought maybe it would be nice to have a thread to catalogue and / or discuss machines that are proving impossible to get the jackpot from, and we could see if any other members have had any more luck?

I'll start the ball rolling with my most recent one, but if other people are having problems winning on particular layouts, then perhaps we could all share ways that we've managed to do it, RAM files, e.t.c. - and try and find out if it's emulator issues / ROM issues or just not playing in the correct way that's causing the problem

I've been playing Mocochoco's sublime layout of Fruit Link (titled : Fruit Link Club PDX 1280) for the past few days, on and off, and so far I've not managed to get through a particularly nasty block. It'll gamble pretty easily to the feature 'Crazy Reels', which you can see to the left of the green 'block', but will not gamble past that point (to the feature called Super Series), even on the odd chance it gives a 'good' number like an 11. I wouldn't mind but it's been doing this for about the past £300 or so - so it's a bit frustrating

Wouldn't be so bad but the layout is currently at £650 in, for only £64 out. If you do start taking lower features (Crazy Reels normally pays £20>£30, Fruit Link often pays £20 to £30 too and occasionally a little more), then it plays and pays very well - last time I put £50 in and took these lower features, I ended up with about £250 in the bank.

So the machine clearly 'owes' the £150 jackpot, but seems totally unwilling to let me gamble to within a few features of it.

Note that I've been playing exclusively on the 3 winline (20p) stake, gambling all cash wins to 'LOSE', and the winnings have pretty much been mistakes from when I've accidently pressed the 3rd hold button and collected - seriously Barcrest, why have the 3rd hold button as collect?!!!

I've included my RAM file if anyone else wants it, note that this RAM file is from Mocochoco's Fruit Link Club 1280 PDX layout, I've no idea if it works with other versions as they may have different settings!

Attached Files

•  FL_block.jpg   103.11KB   47 downloads
•  Fruit_Link_Club_(Barcrest)_PDX_moco.ram   2KB   10 downloads

Edited by Bencrest, 29 September 2012 - 12:13 PM.

[d0uga1]

juicy jackpots £250.00 jackpot by kriss is my bugbear been at it a month without a jackpot over the past week i keep getting numbers upto a £1.00 to start the feature but just wont give the 250 and serveral times i have had 4 boxes for the hiddenish feature where i take "1,2,3" for greed and i get to £50.00 (dosnt go past that amount on greedit gives too greedy and drops down to a lower ammount).

its currently at 22.95% with a drift of 417.56

heres a screeny and my copy of the zip file with current ram if anyone wants it.

i know that the 100 jp version (actual machine we had in works canteen) used to pause when it was the jackpot feature, but it hasnt done it on this one yet.

hopefully it will drop soon.

 Juicy Jackpots 1280dx.zip   4.84MB   12 downloads

 juicy jackpots screeny.jpg   184.05KB   44 downloads

[Bencrest]

its currently at 22.95% with a drift of 417.56

i know that the 100 jp version (actual machine we had in works canteen) used to pause when it was the jackpot feature, but it hasnt done it on this one yet.

 Juicy Jackpots 1280dx.zip   4.84MB   12 downloads

 juicy jackpots screeny.jpg   184.05KB   44 downloads

I'll add this into my rotation, thanks

One thing I will say is that I've never had any luck jackpotting Scorpion 4 machines in the emulator from a RAM reset... well... not without putting in several thousand - so it may still be quite a way off

Can I assume from the bit I've stuck in bold above that there's an invincible mode on this one then? (machine gives a sign that a board is definitely jackpot capable?).

[edit] Currently £750 in, have been at £50 with a 'shot' above offered, but decided to gamble and lost - so I'm assuming it's willing to pay £100... which is getting closer!

Edited by Bencrest, 29 September 2012 - 01:28 PM.

[fruitman69]

From experiance, EMU and real life these are hard ( near impossible or impossible lol ) that i remember

Juicy Jackpots
Action Club
Money to burn club £1k JP
Fruit link

And loads more,


@ Bencrest, As for the easiest scorp 4 to JP will be Grand slam and clones.

Edited by fruitman69, 29 September 2012 - 06:26 PM.

[Bencrest]

From experiance, EMU and real life these are hard that i remember

Juicy Jackpots
Action Club
Monet to burn club £1k JP
Fruit link

And loads more,


@ Bencrest, As for the easiest scorp 4 to JP will be Grand slam and clones.

Definitely, have had several jackpots from GS and clones. Seems to me that Scorpion 4 feature games are the worse, I remember spending a whole day on the LOTR (I think it was Two Towers) on the emulator, bloody impossible to JP.

I think it's probably just a case of playing 'normally' and cycling enough cash through, and eventually it'll probably settle down, but forcing most of these doesn't seem to work (but does on Grand Slam e.t.c. as you've pointed out )

Edited by Bencrest, 29 September 2012 - 06:23 PM.

[zoom]

Barcest Club Connect.

Fruit machines version of Crystal Palace trying to RETAIN the champions league.

[fruitman69]

Barcest Club Connect.

Yep can confirm thats another near impossible as is "stake up"

[Bencrest]

One of the other ones I never had any luck on (and this might just be me!!) is Club Vegas by Barcrest. I've not even loaded it for the past 5 years or so because I was so p*ssed off with it I don't want to see it again!!

I'm trying a different strategy on Juicy Jackpots now, taking as many wins as I can to try and get back towards target percentage. Forcing clearly wasn't working, I'm now at £1315 in and £609 out, which is 46% with a drift just shy of £500.

I've tried several strange ways of winning - Turbo Cash for example (3rd feature up) SHOWS £250, but I don't think it's winnable. It's shown it several times, IIRC I was on £40, with a drop to £15 and a gamble up to the £250. It's shown £150 several times too, I believe when I was on £30.

Really can't imagine it's winnable, but would be nice if it was!!

[fruitman69]

Club vegas does go eventually by giving you all the chips.

[Dougsta]

Had a major go at Club Coronation Street a few months back, but eventually got sick of it. Seems impossible to jackpot.

£1540 in, £770 out, drift £600. Still it blocks at £75, and it's not even that easy to get it to the £75 block.

Cashpots aren't even full yet! Maybe I'm doing it wrong

Attached Files

•  CoronationStClub(Maygay)-250JP25pPlay-DX-1600-Light.ram   8KB   5 downloads

[fruitman69]

To help some people understand how some software works and some fruities are "blocked"

Many fruit machine coders put a block point into the game, this block when activated is as you will know is impossible to get past.

Many people think ( and wrongly i might add ) that if they put enough in without taking any wins that the block can be removed.

While this method works on some machines, ( five alive club JPM for example ) a lot / most cannot, but why? i hear you ask? well theres many ways to control it but the most common is "plays"

Some blocks have a random amount of plays that has to be played before the block is removed no matter how much the machine gets behind, and this amount of plays is often many, many thousands of plays which is why when these games are forced they get many, many £'s behind target and far more than 1 jackpots worth in many cases.

The random amount also can vary between jackpots as to not become predictable, and is why a clubber can pay 2 or more closer together sometimes.

Another method to stop forcing is anti force software, which basicly if the software detects a "force" it will set a flag to block, again the block can be removed several ways the least common is that its "too far behind", a more common way is to collect certain wins or features that would release the flag and enable a jackpot or that again a certain amount of plays have passed.

I could explain loads more but i dont want to bore people or to open a debate about the truths and misconceptions about how they work and its not true for all games or manus as each has there own "style"

But hopefully my words have given some insight into how they work to a point.

[Bencrest]

Many thanks for the ram file for fruit link,was thinking it was just being a git with me blocking me all the time at C.R,as for the two towers gamble to £250 exchange and take two cash shots

Have you tried the RAM? I've not played it since uploading the RAM, it didn't seem any closer to going through the block. I'd be playing it now if I wasn't wasting my time on this bloody Juicy Jackpots!! :@ ARRGGHHH!!

[fruitman69]

Had a major go at Club Coronation Street a few months back, but eventually got sick of it. Seems impossible to jackpot.

£1540 in, £770 out, drift £600. Still it blocks at £75, and it's not even that easy to get it to the £75 block.

Cashpots aren't even full yet! Maybe I'm doing it wrong

6,160 plays, isnt really many plays to even consider a JP on most clubbers to be fair, see my post above

[Dougsta]

6,160 plays, isnt really many plays to even consider a JP on most clubbers to be fair, see my post above

Ok, understood. Since it's an old Maygay, I thought it would be likely to respond to a force. On newer machines, I totally agree that today's software won't respond to a simple force.

I'd love to see the ROM of a machine completely translated and its workings written out in plain language. Would be very interesting to see how the program is structured.

[Bencrest]

Ok, understood. Since it's an old Maygay, I thought it would be likely to respond to a force. On newer machines, I totally agree that today's software won't respond to a simple force.

I'd love to see the ROM of a machine completely translated and its workings written out in plain language. Would be very interesting to see how the program is structured.

There's a QPS Club Clouseau near me, I've been playing it the past year. It responds pretty well to a force, at least I've always done OK on it (not played it for about 6 weeks though, nor any other machine). Even if it blocked the JP, the top features could be pretty good - bearing in mind it's a £100 JP, I've had 'Clouseau's Cash' pay £90, although only once.

I used to try forcing some JPM clubbers that were near me on 5p/£75, ended in tears a few times, but at least it kept me going for ages at that stake!!

[Dougsta]

Yeah, the Bellfruit/QPS/Mazooma clubbers were quite forceable. Not sure of the newer ones though, I avoid big jackpot machines like the plague nowadays.

[Bencrest]

Yeah been having a bash and it aint having none of it,have had a few losing £24 odd gambles but it will not pass crazy reels.

Easiest machine to force by far is big break a crystal clubber i think it's called a clone of club flint stones,this loves to give into a force. EDIT Frame & Fortune It's called

http://www.fruit-emu...x-1024-crystal/

I seem to recall that one, also several other Crystal and JPM machines of this era. In my opinion though, the easiest machines I found to force were typically MPU5 Barcrest machines, Psycho Cash Beast (just punt it 'til it flashes, although you know it's closer when you get large let 'em spins and 3rd holds), Royal Exchange, Golden Dragon Club, and a several others I can't remember at the moment - I found most of these you could punt out from a RAM reset without too much bother. Oh, Rio Grande was a fun one too, I had a good laugh with that. The gamble was quite good, had some good wins of it, but the last time I refused to gamble wins and intentionally avoided wins, playing just for the feature.

Anyway, no boards went about £26 or so... then all of a sudden one of them threw in £400, which I refused, then offered £450, which I also refused, then it threw in £500. I reloaded the RAM and it dropped the £500