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[Weemax]

Oh, so Ive only been about here a short while & have messed about in arcades playing mostly 5p/£6JP machines.

Ive seen people mention on here about cash "dropping" in real arcades.

Now, I notice that when I play the machines, sometimes when I put the £1 in, I hear it hitting what sounds like a tin bucket at the bootom of the machine? Other times you hear it hitting other coins at the top of the machine?

Am I chatting out of my backside, or has what Ive described above anything to do with "dropping"?

Thanks guys

Edited by Weemax, 21 October 2012 - 10:18 AM.

[vectra666]

the term 'dropping' is referred to the cash hopper or tubes being full so extra coins drop to bottom cashbox sometimes it means the machine,s ready to pay unless its been refilled usually a practice in some arcades to make the machine appear to be ready to roll so punters play it more, so just because the machines dropping doesn't always mean its gonna payout

[Weemax]

Ty! So if I hear the coin hit the bottom of the machine ( where the machine sounds empty of money), the hoppers are full?

Some arcades fill the hoppers, to make you think it's full? I see. Thanks for that

[todd1970]

Ive been caught out a few times with this one , 'backing' from first quid in ,,, £30 later nothing apart from a few £2 or £3 wins...

As has been said never take a machine as 'backing' its due a big time payout , a morning refill by the arcade is a false sign.

[Bencrest]

I still can't understand the logic of people punting machines simply because they are backing. If anything, I've won an equal amount of times from machines which are backing, and those which aren't.

All backing means is that the machine believes it is fully floated, therefore it needs to divert coins to a cashbox. Nothing more, nothing else.

Even if a machine is backing naturally - all it means is that the hopper is full.

Take this example :

Chap finds a machine, and it's hopper is full (or tube/s).

He puts £2 in, and wins £2.
He collects.
He puts £2 in, and wins £2.
He collects.
He puts £2 in, and wins £2

He does this for HOURS. He's been playing with the same £2, for ages. He's not winning, or losing - BUT the machine is paying out at 100%, and by doing so, it's eroding any 'drift' (monies which are owed to the player, at least according to it's target percentage).

He loses the £2 after hours. Now - the machine is still 'backing', 'dropping' or whatever, but it owes NO money at all. It's playing exactly at it's target percentage, therefore it's now going to be recovering money with which to pay future prizes.

Edited by Bencrest, 21 October 2012 - 01:33 PM.

[vectra666]

although there is some true in the machines gonna payout. say its partytime £25jp for instance i went along at 10am and it was dropping and took out say £50 off a few quid then went back on it at 2pm and it was dropping again this could mean someones put at least the £50 back in possibly more so it could pay out again within a few quid both theories are correct cause goes the other way around, 1 time i played a fruit it was dropping but took over £250 and gave me sod all at the end of the day its a gamble

[Bencrest]

although there is some true in the machines gonna payout. say its partytime £25jp for instance i went along at 10am and it was dropping and took out say £50 off a few quid then went back on it at 2pm and it was dropping again this could mean someones put at least the £50 back in possibly more so it could pay out again within a few quid both theories are correct cause goes the other way around, 1 time i played a fruit it was dropping but took over £250 and gave me sod all at the end of the day its a gamble

... it could also mean that you left it just before a streak, someone sharked you, dropped in £1, emptied it, and they had to refloat it.

The simple fact is, you cannot argue that a machine which is backing is going to play better, unless you can say for sure how it has been played before hand, you know 100% it hasn't been refloated - and even then, it's down to how the previous person played it

Seriously, I don't understand why people have this preconceived idea that a machine which is backing is going to play better than one that isn't, and that if a machine isn't backing it's not worth touching - some of my best wins have come from machines which aren't backing, although they often resulted in an attendant having to come along and refloat for me when the machine IOU'd

Edited by Bencrest, 21 October 2012 - 04:56 PM.

[Dougsta]

To be fair, it tells you that more money has gone in on the given day than has gone out. In that sense there is a slightly higher chance that it may give you something. I know middle of day refills for empty machines do happen, but they're fairly rare.

I don't really take backing/not backing as a good or bad sign at all these days.

Another point is that with today's higher jackpots/streaks and the loooong cycles they program into these machines, a backing machine could very easily still be well over its target percentage. And so it'll just empty your wallet.

[gemini17]

Slots in the wild are a combo of all or nothing.
Wether brimming or not with coins.Your £ punt is either gona bag you a fortune or bleed yourbank dry!!!
I more than agree with Bencrest and Tommy,any slot that is full(wether filled by the arcade or by Joe public) does not mean it will pay-pure myth or too much watching U-tube vids.
Ive witnesed just over £20,000 go into 3x£500 slots over a two week period (and the heartbroken women,playing them), not even get a sniff of a jackpot.!
And ive also put £20 into a £500 slot and droped the jackpot!!-Happy days
I repeat again,slots are all or nowt.
Stick to the emu-free to play and twice the fun.

Jay

[Bencrest]

Stick to the emu-free to play and twice the fun.

Jay

Seconded. I've not played machines in the wild for a couple of months now. I'm quite enjoying going through the emulators, but also have a couple of machines in my garage should I feel the need to go for one of my 'escapist' gambles (that is, in the old days I might go for a gamble if I got p**sed off with someone or something - now I can lock myself in the garage and do that!! )

Edited by Bencrest, 21 October 2012 - 09:50 PM.

[gemini17]

Seconded. I've not played machines in the wild for a couple of months now. I'm quite enjoying going through the emulators, but also have a couple of machines in my garage should I feel the need to go for one of my 'escapist' gambles (that is, in the old days I might go for a gamble if I got p**sed off with someone or something - now I can lock myself in the garage and do that!! )

Sounds great mate-lock in with slots, with no chance of losin a quid!
Unfortunately I live in 2nd floor flat! Loads of space in the flat for 2nd hand slots,but getin them up here would most certainly leave you with a sliped disc or 2
I do play now and again but I take a set amount and never take bank cards with me.
If I win,I walk away.I lose,I lose and walk away.Slots once were dominent and controlled my life,not anymore.
Just such a shame so many people are still so addicted to them.

Jay

[bullionbars2011]

ive noticed the arcades round me when they refill they empty the bottom another sign that its been refilled

[Taylor525]

ive noticed the arcades round me when they refill they empty the bottom another sign that its been refilled

Haha, I use this as my own trick to see if they have been refilled, when they 'back'...

[Bencrest]

ive noticed the arcades round me when they refill they empty the bottom another sign that its been refilled

We used to do this once a week, on my favourite nights - defloat, refloat and meter reading nights! Woo!

[hurricane]

I used to go off the size of the pot's on the b3's... big mistake. Just because the gold would be at £500 doesn't meen it's going to pay it out any time soon, i learnt this the hard way

[HarryBUFC]

I am not as experienced on machines as you guys sound like, i have the odd couple of quid in a pub but i have heard this "Dropping" theory but i have never seen any pattern in any machine. I could be in my local Friday, Saturday and Sunday where the machine gets battered all day and the most anyone wins on the £40JP is about £7-£10. Then you could go in the next weekend and its paying out like nobodys business.
I suppose you could use the argument that there may be people playing during the week but whenever i go in for midweek football nobody ever plays them during the week

[Taylor525]

I used to go off the size of the pot's on the b3's... big mistake. Just because the gold would be at £500 doesn't meen it's going to pay it out any time soon, i learnt this the hard way

Im not sure if they can do this in the arcades, but I know bookies can 'boost' the pots to £500!!!

Another sneaky element is some arcades have known to 'reset' B3' (you can tell on the pots £50/£150/£250) so the arcade gains more profit as it resets the 'drift' on the memory

[hurricane]

Im not sure if they can do this in the arcades, but I know bookies can 'boost' the pots to £500!!!

Another sneaky element is some arcades have known to 'reset' B3' (you can tell on the pots £50/£150/£250) so the arcade gains more profit as it resets the 'drift' on the memory

Yeah, i've noticed that happening in my local bookies but i just assumed it was due to some sort of software update.