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[vectra666]

File Name: Casino Crazy Fruits Red £25 1024Wdx
File Submitter: vectra666
File Submitted: 06 Jan 2013
File Category: Scorpion 4

   Carrying on from andy-1,s releases of crazy keys n casino crazy fruits gold comes this remake of mocochco's original 1280dx from which i've got his permission to use his back ground image,reels to get the machine so i can this smaller darker version so thankyou moco. i,ve added my own sideart too, i think this plays a better game than the gold versions
 plays in mfme10.1 but better speed in mfme9.4,
 shortcuts are-
 start= spacebar,
 holds/ manual nudges= 1,2,3,
 collect/auto nudges= C,
 cancel= ` ,
 and ££££'s in = 0,
 Enjoy and Happy gaming

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[cja272]

Thank you

[andy-1]

Thanks Vectra

[dachshund]

nice work mate, thanks

[Bencrest]

Cheers for the layout - but for me, the contrast on the on lamps is way too high, the background is too dark, and there are too many rough edges. Simple things, but it feels like it's been rushed out and with a bit more time spent on it, could have been so much better. If you are going to do a dark machine, I'd advise against having such bright, chaotic side art, because it draws the focus away from the machine and makes the darkness seem even worse.

 

Sorry if it sounds harsh, but I'd rather be honest than post 'great release' when it simply isn't true. 

 

[edit] Now I'm utterly confused :

 

 

'Carrying on from andy-1,s releases of crazy keys n casino crazy fruits gold comes this remake of mocochco's original 1280dx from which i've got his permission to use his back ground image,reels to get the machine so i can this smaller darker version so thankyou moco.'

 

 

I can't find a previous version of Casino Crazy Fruits by Mocochoco anywhere. There is an existing layout out hosted here, a pretty gash rushed 1280 DX by 'BANANAMAN' with contrast issues. I won't name the original author here but is definitely not Mocochoco, even if his name is classed as the uploading member. If you want a clue it was released in the initial 'flood' of Scorpion 4 layouts following the release of the leaked MFMEv9.4 emulator.

Edited by Bencrest, 06 January 2013 - 04:22 PM.

[Bencrest]

OK, to give you an idea, here's something I cobbled together, using the layout by 'BANANAMAN', just scaled down. The belly glass was, in my opinion, not salvageable. Even on the original layout it is completely ruined by over the top lamping, and ruins the look of the layout. There's no point having a 'dark' layout, if you are going to have a belly glass that'll burn you retinas out. As with the side art - if you do a dark layout, anything which isn't important should be kept dark, to keep your eyes on the important bits.

 

By removing that, it allows much more space on the layout for important lamps / buttons. I replaced the coin-mech bezel with one I had spare.

 

This is about as dark as I feel a layout should be (my example on the right). Otherwise you are completely ruining the original artwork of the machine as may as well not bother.

 

Took about... 10 minutes to get to this stage?

 

 

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Edited by Bencrest, 06 January 2013 - 09:23 PM.

[vectra666]

but thats exactly the same as the original just cut down which i,m trying to avoid due to critisim of just updating layouts

[Bencrest]

but thats exactly the same as the original just cut down which i,m trying to avoid due to critisim of just updating layouts

 

... but isn't that all your original layout was? Just the original, cut down (albeit stretched wider for some reason, made very dark, and left the eyebleeding belly glass on, and plonked on some new side art)?

Edited by Bencrest, 06 January 2013 - 09:52 PM.

[vectra666]

find me a crazy fruits red flyer and i,ll re-do a brand new layout!!!

[jamesy4]

Good layout, but i won't be downloading it, I prefer andy-1 version.

[Bencrest]

find me a crazy fruits red flyer and i,ll re-do a brand new layout!!!

 

In an instance like this, there the original flyer is nowhere to be seen, I'd say you have two options :

 

1) Ask around, someone might have the flyer and just not have scanned it / uploaded it, or

 

2) If there's no flyer out there, I don't really see the harm in adjusting an existing layout, as long as you have the permission of the original designer. Just make sure you only use the base artwork, nothing silly like just re-sizing lamps. Where it gets awkward for me though, is I feel you need to do the original layout justice (or improve on it!). I can't help but feel you took a not brilliant DX, and somehow made it worse. 

[ady]

Thanks for the layout......but that CAB is just awful......Look at the comparison...on the Left is your layout I just used PS to make it more realistic.

 

Did a Ten ton weight fall on it......a very simple (5 second alteration) makes it more real don't it...thats the help I gave you ages ago that you said you'd look at!.....but obviously didn't

 

Edit.....sorry read-up Ben already mentioned it.

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[ady]

find me a crazy fruits red flyer and i,ll re-do a brand new layout!!!

 

Do as we do........collect resources and share..........Jeeze where do you think we get them from?

 

Is that a DEMAND from you vectra?

 

Want an orginal go get it yourself!, I could have done a few too but passed the resources on to those that know better.....not that'll help improve me but I for sure am not here for just myself.

 

I'm gobsmacked by that post!

[vectra666]

Would that be the cash for layouts hoard, because if so I would have expected better?


To be fair to vecs he searches the FME forums for resource, searches cliff's repro for resource, searches old posts for resources, continually posts askng people fr resources; he is just itching to do layouts, but as we all know new resources are now becoming few and far between. Probably very few machines in arcades in the wild that could be photographed for resources because they are the ones with the bearded one on and don't run in the emulator. There is absolutely no excuse for sloppy DX'ing and this isn't Vec's finest hour, but really Ady, I don't see his post as demanding you provide a flyer, just more a way of saying if he had one then he would have used it.

Vectra is one of the few actually releasing layouts at the moment and giving laptop users a way in to some machines that us larger screen folk have been playing for ages. May I suggest as a forum we provide constructive criticism as a way forwards here?

bj

thankyou for some positive feedback with this layout, yes not perfect i know but we all learn from our mistakes and yes i do search the forums and various sites asking for stuff finally getting some postive feedback on barcrests take two after months of looking and asking, askin tommy c and yes again i am mainyl re-sizing exsisting layouts for us laptop users cause there,s loads out there that are not playable on a laptop i,ve got a 100+ on mine (split screen lol) and also i.ve got around 30 flyers waiting to be dx,ed yes all been done before but not playable to laptop users i do take advice might not always kiss ass in pm,ing back but try to use the advice in following layouts my next layout IF release again won,t be picture perfect but i think its an improvement on the original.. it is barcrests double up and yes i will release as long as i feel i need to thankyou once again barcrest for you constructive feedback/reply

forgot to add almost 3000downloads in 4 months, 5th highest in a year not too bad for a amatuer

Edited by vectra666, 08 January 2013 - 09:51 PM.

[Bencrest]

Would that be the cash for layouts hoard, because if so I would have expected better?

 

 

The very same! Most of the layouts in the flood were of 'questionable' quality, overly bright, contrast issues, e.t.c.

 

Hopefully most have been redone by now

 

forgot to add almost 3000downloads in 4 months, 5th highest in a year not too bad for a amatuer

 

I'm going to be brutally honest here. I have a fear that things are going 'backwards'. The quality of work on offer now, such as the layout in question here, reminds me of when DX layouts first came out - I remember how exciting it was when the first graphical layouts came out, but by today's standards they look comically bad.

 

When I download and play a layout, I expect a certain standard. When I release I layout, I do so when I feel it is up to that standard. Now - we all have to start somewhere. My first layouts used to get slated, but by the time I was on my 4th or 5th layout, and had taken everything on board, I'd made a pretty big jump in quality (same as other designers I imagine?). Plenty of people exceed my standards (Pook, DAD, Ploggy, Ross, Mocochoco to name but a few) - when I download a layout of theirs, I know it'll look good, and play well. When I see a layout with 'vectra666' on it - my first thought it 'oh, it'll be another rush job'. You aren't the first person I've applied that tag to, however most of the others no longer release around here. I don't intend to hurt you with that comment, it's genuinely how I feel.

 

You are entitled to make any layouts you want and upload them (within reason), but I am constantly amazed at how people can release layouts like this and feel any sense of pride or accomplishment? When you've put 20+ hours of solid work into a layout, it shows. Perhaps you just have to actually force yourself to take your time and release something which looks great to appreciate it?

 

I feel I've offered some advice and assistance with previous releases, but since you clearly don't listen, and are happy to keep releasing at this standard (going on amount of downloads in 4 month, as you posted above), I suppose I'll just have to wait until someone comes along and improves upon them, or I redo them myself.

Edited by Bencrest, 08 January 2013 - 10:41 PM.

[Daryl]

forgot to add almost 3000downloads in 4 months, 5th highest in a year not too bad for a amatuer

 

You see vectra mate - that is just it with all this - you just want to bung them out - you just seem to to be wanting the glory of getting them out too - and as I have said to you, and you agreed, it isn't just a select few you need to apply your layouts too... the all of FME would like them mate, but when you release them, to a majority, they aren't that! You are more happy with providing precise figures about the amount of downloads you have ... but in all honesty mate, any of the 'Tom', 'Dick' and 'Harry's will download them - a lot of members just troll them for the laptops - they aren't bothered about it at all.

 

You seem to like that, because of the downloads occurring - but it certainly isn't for the quality of those layouts mate, I can assure you of that. You clearly are not listening to any advise that any of our top layout designers have given you - look at how Ady managed to reshape your layout above, within a few minutes.... and the advice given by Bencrest in post 7 - you say you will listen, but then just carry on as before

 

To be honest vectra mate you just seem to want glory here with your layouts, and when you receive the criticism, you try to find any excuse - by saying as an example on a comment 'I will do that next time' etc. 

 

I will try and accept that you aren't bothered about your status colour anymore too, although I find that difficult to believe and understand... but believe me mate, your layouts are going to have to vastly improve before any status colour for Layout Designer is designated - because at this moment in time there is no agreement at all amongst the staff and moderators that it is merited.

 

If you want to keep going for your mass production, please go ahead and do so, but it will do no favours amongst regular FME members, and certainly not help you to achieve your recognition here on these forums as it is mate.

 

I want you to succeed, I have told you that mate - but a major effort has got to be shown in the quality of your work to get the recognition here on Fruit Emu you crave.

 

Think hard at it - work hard at it - and think of all FME when you are doing it, and hopefully in time you will see everything come to fruition - but certainly not until then vectra mate.

 

Now get cracking at getting your layouts to a quality, that we all know you can do - without the need to rush them out mate... go on, give it a try!

[Bencrest]

You seem to like that, because of the downloads occurring - but it certainly isn't for the quality of those layouts mate, I can assure you of that. You clearly are not listening to any advise that any of our top layout designers have given you - look at how Ady managed to reshape your layout above, within a few minutes. 

... and don't forget what Bencrest posted above in Post #7 : http://www.fruit-emu...24wdx/?p=245652

 

... because he's pretty awesome too