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#1 policematrix

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 06:01 AM

Well I just wondered (I have an idea) but I wanted normal peoples opinions , so what better place than this to ask ;)

So a couple of questions 

 

1 How do you rate cannabis as a harmful drug (as in harmful I mean physical /mental any harm that can result)

 

2 What's your view on its prohibition and how well do you think it works  

 

3 Have you ever tried it and what did it do to you personally 


ok well Ill start I rate all drugs as harmful , most things do some damage food is no exception but we know this and make choices based on the level of harm and frequency of use , so for example I cant have pizza every day for tea , but cannabis in its raw form is pretty mild on the body , it can affect blood pressure greatly lowering it , also can affect heart rate , so care must be taken if you suffer from conditions that could be affected by this . It also affects hunger, tiredness and many many different things 

 studies state that cannabis or cannabinoids may be useful in treating alcohol abuse,amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, collagen-induced arthritis, asthma,atherosclerosis, bipolar disorder, colorectal cancer, HIV-Associated Sensory Neuropathy, depression,dystonia, epilepsy, digestive diseases, gliomas, hepatitis C, Huntington's disease, leukemia, skin tumors, methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA),Parkinson's disease, pruritus,posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD), psoriasis, sickle-cell disease, sleep apnea, and anorexia nervosa. Controlled research on treatingTourette syndrome with a synthetic version of THC called (Marinol), showed the patients taking the pill had a beneficial response without serious adverse effects; other studies have shown that cannabis "has no effects on tics and increases the individuals inner tension". Case reports found that cannabis helped reduce tics, but validation of these results requires longer, controlled studies on larger samples.

A study done by Craig Reinarman surveyed people in California who used cannabis found they did so for many reasons. Reported uses were for pain relief, muscle spasms, headaches, anxiety, nausea, vomiting, depression, cramps, panic attacks, diarrhea, and itching. Others used cannabis to improve sleep, relaxation, appetite, concentration or focus, and energy. Some patients used it to prevent medication side effects, anger, involuntary movements, and seizures, while others used it as a substitute for other prescription medications and alcohol.

Now for the known harmful effects 

 

 


THC, the principal psychoactive constituent of the cannabis plant, has an extremely low toxicity and the amount that can enter the body through the consumption of cannabis plants poses no threat of death. In lab animal tests, scientists have had much difficulty administering a dosage of THC that is high enough to be lethal. Accordingly, there is little reason to believe a human would self-administer such doses. According to the Merck Index, the LD50 of THC (the dose which causes the death of 50% of individuals) is 1270 mg/kg for male rats and 730 mg/kg for female rats from oral consumption in sesame oil, and 42 mg/kg for rats from inhalation.

The ratio of cannabis material required to produce a fatal overdose to the amount required to saturate cannabinoid receptors and cause intoxication is approximately 40,000:1. A typical marijuana "joint" contains less than 10 mg of THC, and one would have to smoke thousands of those in a short period of time to approach toxic levels. According to a 2006 United Kingdom government report, using cannabis is much less dangerous than tobacco, prescription drugs, and alcohol in social harms, physical harm, and addiction.It was found in 2007 that while tobacco and cannabis smoke are quite similar, cannabis smoke contained higher amounts of ammonia,hydrogen cyanide, and nitrogen oxides, but lower levels of carcinogenic polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs). This study found that directly inhaled cannabis smoke contained as much as 20 times as much ammonia and 5 times as much hydrogen cyanide as tobacco smoke and compared the properties of both mainstream and sidestream (smoke emitted from a smouldering 'joint' or 'cone') smoke.[23] Mainstream cannabis smoke was found to contain higher concentrations of selected polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) than sidestream tobacco smoke.[23] However, other studies have found much lower disparities in ammonia and hydrogen cyanide between cannabis and tobacco, and that some other constituents (such as polonium-210, lead, arsenic, nicotine, and tobacco-specific nitrosamines) are either lower or non-existent in cannabis smoke.

Cannabis smoke contains thousands of organic and inorganic chemical compounds. This tar is chemically similar to that found in tobacco smoke or cigars. Over fifty known carcinogens have been identified in cannabis smoke. These include nitrosamines, reactive aldehydes, and polycylic hydrocarbons, including benz[a]pyrene. Marijuana smoke was listed as a cancer agent in California in 2009. A study by the British Lung Foundation published in 2012 identifies cannabis smoke as a carcinogen and also finds awareness of the danger is low compared with the high awareness of the dangers of smoking tobacco particularly among younger users. Other observations include possible increased risk from each cigarette; lack of research on the effect of cannabis smoke alone; low rate of addiction compared to tobacco; and episodic nature of cannabis use compared to steady frequent smoking of tobacco.

Professor David Nutt, a UK drug expert, points out that the study cited by the British Lung Foundation has been accused of both “false reasoning” and “incorrect methodology”. Further, he notes that other studies have failed to connect cannabis with lung cancer, and accuses the BLF of "scaremongering over cannabis".

A study in the academic journalCancer Epidemiology, Biomarkers & Prevention, demonstrated that a marijuana cigarette deposits four times the amount of tar in the human respiratory tract than a tobacco cigarette.

According to Harvard's Lester Grinspoon, there has never been a death associated directly to cannabis. In defense of smokedMedical cannabis, Grinspoon noted, "there is very little evidence that smoking marijuana as a means of taking it represents a significant health risk. Although cannabis has been smoked widely in Western countries for more than four decades, there have been no reported cases of lung cancer or emphysema attributed to marijuana. I suspect that a day's breathing in any city with poor air quality poses more of a threat than inhaling a day's dose -- which for many ailments is just a portion of a joint -- of marijuana".

One study in 2005, the largest of its kind, found no cannabis-cancer connection. Donald Tashkin, a pulmonologist at UCLA's David Geffin School of Medicine who studied marijuana for 30 years, noted:

"We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be more positive with heavier use. What we found instead was no association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect."

 

so from this it basically says that on its own (without tobacco) it is pretty mild but recommend that people eat it rather than smoke it 

 

Now for my personal experiences 

I started smoking when i was 12 years old (yes i know) In them days there was no net to check out the drug also no reliable information on drugs (we had grange hill "just say no") so I didnt have a clue what this drug was or if it was addictive ect , needless to say smoking drugs at this age was bad for my mental state and has been proven to affect adolescents short term memory and behaviour  but this is only while the brain is in development so at 18 should be pretty safe from this , anyway after a few years of smoking I went into full blown depression (again didnt know what it was just felt shit all the time) finally came out of the depression and stopped smoking weed , some time passed but I noticed that I always craved being stoned , for example when playing on computers would think "this would be much better stoned " and such like .

So around 18 i started smoking again and have not stopped since , I have had no mental problems or lung problems , infact I will go so far as to say the weed saved me from a bad life style , after quitting drugs and getting a job it was the norm to go the pub , I got into drinking on weekends and then through alcohol not cannabis met cocaine , this was a very bad phase to which I had little control and the only way off the drink and coke was to buy a console and get absolutely stoned every day and play games , eventually the need for cocain subsided and my health returned to normal .

Now for me personally I have seen the good and bad weed can do but I will say this like eating a big mac or pizza its my choice it affects no one else and I won't feed this to my kids so I believe it should be legal if not because it is so much less harmful than current legal drugs then because the war on drugs is as bad as a fail as the war on pirate DVDs but at least they gave up on that war lol and imagine the time and resources the police could save , and having spoke with police on this issue i'm sure a lot would agree .

I'm no fan of drug dealers infact I hate them with their nice cars and houses but again if it were legal they would not sell cannabis and I know people will say "but if they can't sell cannabis they will just sell other stuff" surprise!! they already do =)

anyway I would like to hear your thoughts or experiences good and bad and your view 

here is some more paparazzi propaganda enjoy 

 

http://www.ukcia.org...ids_reports.php

 aparently its the plant food thats dangerous O_O and look how they compare crystal meth to weed 

 

 

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 11:33 AM

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 07:24 PM

1. It's illegal

2. It's illegal

3. Anything that messes with your head, is not good.

 

4. Do you really think anyone is going to admit to anything. I doubt it.


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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:46 AM

1. It's illegal

2. It's illegal

3. Anything that messes with your head, is not good.

 

4. Do you really think anyone is going to admit to anything. I doubt it.

maybe not 29 years ago no but today I watched an actor (old lady) on bbc breakfast news admitting her circle of friends use cannabis and their lungs are clean as whistles 

do you remember when being a homosexual was illegal ? the law is not always correct and is very often influenced by religious beliefs and personal views not by a vote from society 

here is the FBI director still trying to argue the case for marijuana being illegal   and getting made to well look stupid to be honest .

As for anything that messes with your head is not good , well lets look at this caffeine is a central nervous system stimulant  CNS like cocaine http://cot.food.gov....s/tox201210.pdf some facts on caffeen 

 

 


America's obsession with caffeine continues to grow by leaps and bounds. We're long past the already absurd domain of Big Gulp-sized frappucinos; the chemical is packaged and sold as energy drinks, pills, dissolvable strips-- even caffeine-infused marshmallows.

But we may finally be approaching the limits of our appetites. A spate of recent caffeine-related deaths is challenging the perception that caffeine is a safe and legal high. Over the last four years, 13 people have died in incidents that involve 5-Hour Energy, the 2-ounce drink which boasts in television ads that it’s been recommended by 73 percent of doctors. Similarly, the Federal Drug Administration acknowledged in October that five additional people have died in incidents that involve Monster Energy.

Caffeine has long flown under the radar of the FDA’s aggressive drug testing, in part because energy drinks are often sold as either beverages or dietary supplements, and in part because caffeine has become so ubiquitous in American society that it’s considered an essential part of our 24-7 culture. The chemical’s powers are so storied that some have even claimed it’s the basis of the global capitalist structure and industrialized society itself.
 
“The widespread use of caffeinated drinks—replacing the ubiquitous beer—facilitated the great transformation of human economic endeavor from the farm to the factory,” asserted a National Geographic cover story.
 
Five-Hour Energy capitalized on this belief, marketing itself as a remedy for “hardworking adults who need an extra boost of energy.”    
 
But would Americans consume caffeine if they knew the drug's true effects? Chemically, caffeine mimics adenosine, a neurochemical that effectively acts as a time clock for your body’s nervous system. Without caffeine, adenosine keeps track of the number of neurons that fire in your brain throughout the day until you’ve clocked so much activity that it’s time for the precious reward of sleep. Caffeine, however, temporarily blocks the adenosine time clock, allowing your neurochemicals to fire like it’s 1999 without causing you to pass out. 
 
As FDA filings reveal, the real-world consequence for caffeine overdose can be fatal. Since 2009, nearly 100 people reported 5-Hour Energy’s consumption being associated with adverse medical issues. About a third of the filings included potentially fatal issues like heart attacks, convulsions and even a spontaneous abortion, according to an analysis by the New York Times.
 
Even more disturbingly, in 2009 energy drinks were somehow related to more than 13,000 emergency room visits, according to the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration.
 
In addition to caffeine, energy drinks like 5-Hour Energy also include ingredients like vitamin B and taurine, an organic acid that has lacks scientific evidence to support claims of its energy-giving properties.
 
Despite the deaths, the FDA has so far refused to reevaluate the regulation process for energy drinks and other caffeine-carrying products that masquerade as health supplements.

 

so here we have a case of a drug that your kids can legally buy from any shop and it has killed grown men stone dead also cause other heart problems and agression and is physically addictive , imagine if just 1 person died from weed OMG imagine the papers lol , but did you read about the caffeine deaths in the uk ? http://www.bbc.co.uk...mshire-11645363 ok he was abusing the substance but it can kill you and its not controlled at all check see how much is in your can of coke ? oh it does not say lol , point is if it was the harmful effects of cannabis that makes it illegal  then you would have to make so many things illegal like fats sugars and so on let alone almost all prescription drugs as almost all can cause death 

 

Also on a side note we had the police call round today my GF had an altercation in work and the police were called they poped around to speak with her and me being a dozy **** had left a weed bag on the table full of crystals , he spotted it and said next time put this stuff away im not meant to see that =) , now even the police depending on where you live in the uk are not interested  they are forced to spend so much valuable time on this crap and to what avail ? ive been arrested many times with weed and charged but i like it and i will continue to enjoy it its my life and it harms no one else so its not a crime in my eyes , a crime must involve suffering to someone else its a silly as making suicide illegal ,,, oh wait =D 


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Posted 13 April 2013 - 08:20 AM

Well it seems people don't care to share their views , maybe because it does not concern you i.e you dont use it , but it does concern you , police has cannabis as a high priority  and waste millions on trying to control it they use your tax to fund a pathetic war that's been going on for over 30 years and every year useage is on the increase and availability is more and more widespread , so by not having an opinion in this recession where money is being pulled out from under every foundation we have , the government in their infinate wisdom keep increasing the spending on drug control but with the focus on cannabis production  , why? you might ask , well that is unclear .

Every week in our local newspaper we get a guaranteed story of someone with possession of cannabis  , this is not news where I live but seems to get priority over all other stories , It happens in the big newspapers also , remember those two teenagers who died from meow meow ? and then it was banned with no scientific evidence ? turns out they didn't die from it at all and where not even using the drug , but the relatively safe m-cat (compared with the similar cocaine) is now illegal so while they had the chance to police a popular drug they decided to throw it to the safe hands of a drug dealer instead  :err:

And this is another problem when a drug is legal , say for instance alcohol , its pretty hard for kids to obtain , its still possible ovc but when its illegal anyone can purchase a drug and at any strength or amount ,drug dealers don't tend to ask for proof of age  

But people still have this stupid idea that if a drug is illegal then you and your kids/friends are safe from it  .

Its common sense to have the government deal the drugs , stop wasting police time on victimless crimes  , and actually improve our economy and in one final bonus get rid of these rich horrible drug dealing f***s who we all hate , why should they sit around making wads of cash while we all graft for pennies 

Anyway I hope even if no one comments that you have learned some stuff and maybe have a less biased view towards people who use drugs 

 

 

Here is the story of why it is illegal today 

 

 

 

Many people assume that marijuana was made illegal through some kind of process involving scientific, medical, and government hearings; that it was to protect the citizens from what was determined to be a dangerous drug.

The actual story shows a much different picture. Those who voted on the legal fate of this plant never had the facts, but were dependent on information supplied by those who had a specific agenda to deceive lawmakers. You’ll see below that the very first federal vote to prohibit marijuana was based entirely on a documented lie on the floor of the Senate.

You’ll also see that the history of marijuana’s criminalization is filled with:

  • Racism
  • Fear
  • Protection of Corporate Profits
  • Yellow Journalism
  • Ignorant, Incompetent, and/or Corrupt Legislators
  • Personal Career Advancement and Greed

These are the actual reasons marijuana is illegal.

 

Background

For most of human history, marijuana has been completely legal. It’s not a recently discovered plant, nor is it a long-standing law. Marijuana has been illegal for less than 1% of the time that it’s been in use. Its known uses go back further than 7,000 B.C. and it was legal as recently as when Ronald Reagan was a boy.

The marijuana (hemp) plant, of course, has an incredible number of uses. The earliest known woven fabric was apparently of hemp, and over the centuries the plant was used for food, incense, cloth, rope, and much more. This adds to some of the confusion over its introduction in the United States, as the plant was well known from the early 1600′s, but did not reach public awareness as a recreational drug until the early 1900′s.

America’s first marijuana law was enacted at Jamestown Colony, Virginia in 1619. It was a law “ordering” all farmers to grow Indian hempseed. There were several other “must grow” laws over the next 200 years (you could be jailed for not growing hemp during times of shortage in Virginia between 1763 and 1767), and during most of that time, hemp was legal tender (you could even pay your taxes with hemp — try that today!) Hemp was such a critical crop for a number of purposes (including essential war requirements – rope, etc.) that the government went out of its way to encourage growth.

The United States Census of 1850 counted 8,327 hemp “plantations” (minimum 2,000-acre farm) growing cannabis hemp for cloth, canvas and even the cordage used for baling cotton.

The Mexican Connection

In the early 1900s, the western states developed significant tensions regarding the influx of Mexican-Americans. The revolution in Mexico in 1910 spilled over the border, with General Pershing’s army clashing with bandit Pancho Villa. Later in that decade, bad feelings developed between the small farmer and the large farms that used cheaper Mexican labor. Then, the depression came and increased tensions, as jobs and welfare resources became scarce.

One of the “differences” seized upon during this time was the fact that many Mexicans smoked marijuana and had brought the plant with them, and it was through this that California apparently passed the first state marijuana law, outlawing “preparations of hemp, or loco weed.”

However, one of the first state laws outlawing marijuana may have been influenced, not just by Mexicans using the drug, but, oddly enough, because of Mormons using it. Mormons who traveled to Mexico in 1910 came back to Salt Lake City with marijuana. The church’s reaction to this may have contributed to the state’s marijuana law. (Note: the source for this speculation is from articles by Charles Whitebread, Professor of Law at USC Law School in a paper for the Virginia Law Review, and a speech to the California Judges Association (sourced below). Mormon blogger Ardis Parshall disputes this.)

Other states quickly followed suit with marijuana prohibition laws, including Wyoming (1915), Texas (1919), Iowa (1923), Nevada (1923), Oregon (1923), Washington (1923), Arkansas (1923), and Nebraska (1927). These laws tended to be specifically targeted against the Mexican-American population.

When Montana outlawed marijuana in 1927, the Butte Montana Standard reported a legislator’s comment: “When some beet field peon takes a few traces of this stuff… he thinks he has just been elected president of Mexico, so he starts out to execute all his political enemies.” In Texas, a senator said on the floor of the Senate: “All Mexicans are crazy, and this stuff [marijuana] is what makes them crazy.”

Jazz and Assassins

In the eastern states, the “problem” was attributed to a combination of Latin Americans and black jazz musicians. Marijuana and jazz traveled from New Orleans to Chicago, and then to Harlem, where marijuana became an indispensable part of the music scene, even entering the language of the black hits of the time (Louis Armstrong’s “Muggles”, Cab Calloway’s “That Funny Reefer Man”, Fats Waller’s “Viper’s Drag”).

Again, racism was part of the charge against marijuana, as newspapers in 1934 editorialized: “Marihuana influences Negroes to look at white people in the eye, step on white men’s shadows and look at a white woman twice.”

Two other fear-tactic rumors started to spread: one, that Mexicans, Blacks and other foreigners were snaring white children with marijuana; and two, the story of the “assassins.” Early stories of Marco Polo had told of “hasheesh-eaters” or hashashin, from which derived the term “assassin.” In the original stories, these professional killers were given large doses of hashish and brought to the ruler’s garden (to give them a glimpse of the paradise that awaited them upon successful completion of their mission). Then, after the effects of the drug disappeared, the assassin would fulfill his ruler’s wishes with cool, calculating loyalty.

By the 1930s, the story had changed. Dr. A. E. Fossier wrote in the 1931 New Orleans Medical and Surgical Journal: “Under the influence of hashish those fanatics would madly rush at their enemies, and ruthlessly massacre every one within their grasp.” Within a very short time, marijuana started being linked to violent behavior.

Alcohol Prohibition and Federal Approaches to Drug Prohibition

During this time, the United States was also dealing with alcohol prohibition, which lasted from 1919 to 1933. Alcohol prohibition was extremely visible and debated at all levels, while drug laws were passed without the general public’s knowledge. National alcohol prohibition happened through the mechanism of an amendment to the constitution.

Earlier (1914), the Harrison Act was passed, which provided federal tax penalties for opiates and cocaine.

The federal approach is important. It was considered at the time that the federal government did not have the constitutional power to outlaw alcohol or drugs. It is because of this that alcohol prohibition required a constitutional amendment.

At that time in our country’s history, the judiciary regularly placed the tenth amendment in the path of congressional regulation of “local” affairs, and direct regulation of medical practice was considered beyond congressional power under the commerce clause (since then, both provisions have been weakened so far as to have almost no meaning).

Since drugs could not be outlawed at the federal level, the decision was made to use federal taxes as a way around the restriction. In the Harrison Act, legal uses of opiates and cocaine were taxed (supposedly as a revenue need by the federal government, which is the only way it would hold up in the courts), and those who didn’t follow the law found themselves in trouble with the treasury department.

In 1930, a new division in the Treasury Department was established — the Federal Bureau of Narcotics — and Harry J. Anslinger was named director. This, if anything, marked the beginning of the all-out war against marijuana.

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Harry J. Anslinger

Anslinger was an extremely ambitious man, and he recognized the Bureau of Narcotics as an amazing career opportunity — a new government agency with the opportunity to define both the problem and the solution. He immediately realized that opiates and cocaine wouldn’t be enough to help build his agency, so he latched on to marijuana and started to work on making it illegal at the federal level.

Anslinger immediately drew upon the themes of racism and violence to draw national attention to the problem he wanted to create. He also promoted and frequently read from “Gore Files” — wild reefer-madness-style exploitation tales of ax murderers on marijuana and sex and… Negroes. Here are some quotes that have been widely attributed to Anslinger and his Gore Files:

“There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others.”

“…the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races.”

“Marijuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death.”

“Reefer makes darkies think they’re as good as white men.”

“Marihuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing”

“You smoke a joint and you’re likely to kill your brother.”

“Marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind.”

And he loved to pull out his own version of the “assassin” definition:

“In the year 1090, there was founded in Persia the religious and military order of the Assassins, whose history is one of cruelty, barbarity, and murder, and for good reason: the members were confirmed users of hashish, or marihuana, and it is from the Arabs’ ‘hashashin’ that we have the English word ‘assassin.’”

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Yellow Journalism

Harry Anslinger got some additional help from William Randolf Hearst, owner of a huge chain of newspapers. Hearst had lots of reasons to help. First, he hated Mexicans. Second, he had invested heavily in the timber industry to support his newspaper chain and didn’t want to see the development of hemp paper in competition. Third, he had lost 800,000 acres of timberland to Pancho Villa, so he hated Mexicans. Fourth, telling lurid lies about Mexicans (and the devil marijuana weed causing violence) sold newspapers, making him rich.

Some samples from the San Francisco Examiner:

“Marihuana makes fiends of boys in thirty days — Hashish goads users to bloodlust.”

“By the tons it is coming into this country — the deadly, dreadful poison that racks and tears not only the body, but the very heart and soul of every human being who once becomes a slave to it in any of its cruel and devastating forms…. Marihuana is a short cut to the insane asylum. Smoke marihuana cigarettes for a month and what was once your brain will be nothing but a storehouse of horrid specters. Hasheesh makes a murderer who kills for the love of killing out of the mildest mannered man who ever laughed at the idea that any habit could ever get him….”

And other nationwide columns…

“Users of marijuana become STIMULATED as they inhale the drug and are LIKELY TO DO ANYTHING. Most crimes of violence in this section, especially in country districts are laid to users of that drug.”

“Was it marijuana, the new Mexican drug, that nerved the murderous arm of Clara Phillips when she hammered out her victim’s life in Los Angeles?… THREE-FOURTHS OF THE CRIMES of violence in this country today are committed by DOPE SLAVES — that is a matter of cold record.”

Hearst and Anslinger were then supported by Dupont chemical company and various pharmaceutical companies in the effort to outlaw cannabis. Dupont had patented nylon, and wanted hemp removed as competition. The pharmaceutical companies could neither identify nor standardize cannabis dosages, and besides, with cannabis, folks could grow their own medicine and not have to purchase it from large companies.

This all set the stage for…

The Marijuana Tax Act of 1937.

After two years of secret planning, Anslinger brought his plan to Congress — complete with a scrapbook full of sensational Hearst editorials, stories of ax murderers who had supposedly smoked marijuana, and racial slurs.

It was a remarkably short set of hearings.

The one fly in Anslinger’s ointment was the appearance by Dr. William C. Woodward, Legislative Council of the American Medical Association.

Woodward started by slamming Harry Anslinger and the Bureau of Narcotics for distorting earlier AMA statements that had nothing to do with marijuana and making them appear to be AMA endorsement for Anslinger’s view.

He also reproached the legislature and the Bureau for using the term marijuana in the legislation and not publicizing it as a bill about cannabis or hemp. At this point, marijuana (or marihuana) was a sensationalist word used to refer to Mexicans smoking a drug and had not been connected in most people’s minds to the existing cannabis/hemp plant. Thus, many who had legitimate reasons to oppose the bill weren’t even aware of it.

Woodward went on to state that the AMA was opposed to the legislation and further questioned the approach of the hearings, coming close to outright accusation of misconduct by Anslinger and the committee:

“That there is a certain amount of narcotic addiction of an objectionable character no one will deny. The newspapers have called attention to it so prominently that there must be some grounds for [their] statements [even Woodward was partially taken in by Hearst's propaganda]. It has surprised me, however, that the facts on which these statements have been based have not been brought before this committee by competent primary evidence. We are referred to newspaper publications concerning the prevalence of marihuana addiction. We are told that the use of marihuana causes crime.

But yet no one has been produced from the Bureau of Prisons to show the number of prisoners who have been found addicted to the marihuana habit. An informed inquiry shows that the Bureau of Prisons has no evidence on that point.

You have been told that school children are great users of marihuana cigarettes. No one has been summoned from the Children’s Bureau to show the nature and extent of the habit, among children.

Inquiry of the Children’s Bureau shows that they have had no occasion to investigate it and know nothing particularly of it.

Inquiry of the Office of Education— and they certainly should know something of the prevalence of the habit among the school children of the country, if there is a prevalent habit— indicates that they have had no occasion to investigate and know nothing of it.

Moreover, there is in the Treasury Department itself, the Public Health Service, with its Division of Mental Hygiene. The Division of Mental Hygiene was, in the first place, the Division of Narcotics. It was converted into the Division of Mental Hygiene, I think, about 1930. That particular Bureau has control at the present time of the narcotics farms that were created about 1929 or 1930 and came into operation a few years later. No one has been summoned from that Bureau to give evidence on that point.

Informal inquiry by me indicates that they have had no record of any marihuana of Cannabis addicts who have ever been committed to those farms.

The bureau of Public Health Service has also a division of pharmacology. If you desire evidence as to the pharmacology of Cannabis, that obviously is the place where you can get direct and primary evidence, rather than the indirect hearsay evidence.”

Committee members then proceeded to attack Dr. Woodward, questioning his motives in opposing the legislation. Even the Chairman joined in:

The Chairman: If you want to advise us on legislation, you ought to come here with some constructive proposals, rather than criticism, rather than trying to throw obstacles in the way of something that the Federal Government is trying to do. It has not only an unselfish motive in this, but they have a serious responsibility.

Dr. Woodward: We cannot understand yet, Mr. Chairman, why this bill should have been prepared in secret for 2 years without any intimation, even, to the profession, that it was being prepared.

After some further bantering…

The Chairman: I would like to read a quotation from a recent editorial in the Washington Times:

The marihuana cigarette is one of the most insidious of all forms of dope, largely because of the failure of the public to understand its fatal qualities.

The Nation is almost defenseless against it, having no Federal laws to cope with it and virtually no organized campaign for combating it.

The result is tragic.

School children are the prey of peddlers who infest school neighborhoods.

High school boys and girls buy the destructive weed without knowledge of its capacity of harm, and conscienceless dealers sell it with impunity.

This is a national problem, and it must have national attention.

The fatal marihuana cigarette must be recognized as a deadly drug, and American children must be protected against it.

That is a pretty severe indictment. They say it is a national question and that it requires effective legislation. Of course, in a general way, you have responded to all of these statements; but that indicates very clearly that it is an evil of such magnitude that it is recognized by the press of the country as such.

And that was basically it. Yellow journalism won over medical science.

The committee passed the legislation on. And on the floor of the house, the entire discussion was:

Member from upstate New York: “Mr. Speaker, what is this bill about?”

Speaker Rayburn: “I don’t know. It has something to do with a thing called marihuana. I think it’s a narcotic of some kind.”

“Mr. Speaker, does the American Medical Association support this bill?”

Member on the committee jumps up and says: “Their Doctor Wentworth[sic] came down here. They support this bill 100 percent.”

And on the basis of that lie, on August 2, 1937, marijuana became illegal at the federal level.

The entire coverage in the New York Times: “President Roosevelt signed today a bill to curb traffic in the narcotic, marihuana, through heavy taxes on transactions.”

Anslinger as precursor to the Drug Czars

Anslinger was essentially the first Drug Czar. Even though the term didn’t exist until William Bennett’s position as director of the White House Office of National Drug Policy, Anslinger acted in a similar fashion. In fact, there are some amazing parallels between Anslinger and the current Drug Czar John Walters. Both had kind of a carte blanche to go around demonizing drugs and drug users. Both had resources and a large public podium for their voice to be heard and to promote their personal agenda. Both lied constantly, often when it was unnecessary. Both were racists. Both had the ear of lawmakers, and both realized that they could persuade legislators and others based on lies, particularly if they could co-opt the media into squelching or downplaying any opposition views.

Anslinger even had the ability to circumvent the First Amendment. He banned the Canadian movie “Drug Addict,” a 1946 documentary that realistically depicted the drug addicts and law enforcement efforts. He even tried to get Canada to ban the movie in their own country, or failing that, to prevent U.S. citizens from seeing the movie in Canada. Canada refused. (Today, Drug Czar John Walters is trying to bully Canada into keeping harsh marijuana laws.)

Anslinger had 37 years to solidify the propaganda and stifle opposition. The lies continued the entire time (although the stories would adjust — the 21 year old Florida boy who killed his family of five got younger each time he told it). In 1961, he looked back at his efforts:

“Much of the most irrational juvenile violence and that has written a new chapter of shame and tragedy is traceable directly to this hemp intoxication. A gang of boys tear the clothes from two school girls and rape the screaming girls, one boy after the other. A sixteen-year-old kills his entire family of five in Florida, a man in Minnesota puts a bullet through the head of a stranger on the road; in Colorado husband tries to shoot his wife, kills her grandmother instead and then kills himself. Every one of these crimes had been proceeded [sic] by the smoking of one or more marijuana “reefers.” As the marijuana situation grew worse, I knew action had to be taken to get the proper legislation passed. By 1937 under my direction, the Bureau launched two important steps First, a legislative plan to seek from Congress a new law that would place marijuana and its distribution directly under federal control. Second, on radio and at major forums, such that presented annually by the New York Herald Tribune, I told the story of this evil weed of the fields and river beds and roadsides. I wrote articles for magazines; our agents gave hundreds of lectures to parents, educators, social and civic leaders. In network broadcasts I reported on the growing list of crimes, including murder and rape. I described the nature of marijuana and its close kinship to hashish. I continued to hammer at the facts.

I believe we did a thorough job, for the public was alerted and the laws to protect them were passed, both nationally and at the state level. We also brought under control the wild growing marijuana in this country. Working with local authorities, we cleaned up hundreds of acres of marijuana and we uprooted plants sprouting along the roadsides.”

After Anslinger

On a break from college in the 70s, I was visiting a church in rural Illinois. There in the literature racks in the back of the church was a lurid pamphlet about the evils of marijuana — all the old reefer madness propaganda about how it caused insanity and murder. I approached the minister and said “You can’t have this in your church. It’s all lies, and the church shouldn’t be about promoting lies.” Fortunately, my dad believed me, and he had the material removed. He didn’t even know how it got there. But without me speaking up, neither he nor the other members of the church had any reason NOT to believe what the pamphlet said. The propaganda machine had been that effective.

The narrative since then has been a continual litany of:

  • Politicians wanting to appear tough on crime and passing tougher penalties
  • Constant increases in spending on law enforcement and prisons
  • Racist application of drug laws
  • Taxpayer funded propaganda
  • Stifling of opposition speech
  • Political contributions from corporations that profit from marijuana being illegal (pharmaceuticals, alcohol, etc.)

… but that’s another whole story.


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Posted 13 April 2013 - 11:25 AM

TBH, i have not read all of the info on this tread, just the title

 

all im saying is after having a foster son from 16 andhe  took weed, that was his life and all his life, in fact not seen him for over 3 years now, but still lives for the weed, so again without reading all the bumf, from life experience its evil!!, they don't call it dope for nothing!!!!!!!!!!!



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Posted 13 April 2013 - 11:29 AM

I didn't bother posting because you are so obviously pro-pot anyway that I'd be shot down if I tried to make any negative comment. I'm all for having debates but this is one of those debates that never goes well, so I won't bother joining in.


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Posted 13 April 2013 - 02:27 PM

No comment from me either,

If you ask me I think this thread should be closed...



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Posted 14 April 2013 - 12:37 AM

Think Woman Should Be Called Cannabis (Addictive And Always Checking Them Out :p - But When Your Got Them They Dont half f*** With Your Head :p

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 06:45 AM

I'm personally not going to respond to this thread, but...

...I don't see a valid reason why it should be locked. There hasn't been no abusive or flaming posts, just some member's personal views about a substance that is technically illegal to use but widely done so.

Each member is entitled to their views, no matter how trivial or controversial and I can't see any valid reason that this thread has broken forum rules to lock it, so as long as the thread doesn't get out of hand, it is free to run its course as far as I'm concerned.
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Posted 14 April 2013 - 12:55 PM

it will all go up in smoke



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Posted 14 April 2013 - 02:03 PM

it will all go up in smoke

We'll weed them out...

 

...I'm not a dope ;)


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Posted 14 April 2013 - 02:22 PM

ok thanks for the replies 

Cannabis has been linked to inducing schizophrenia but you will note this is a recent thing , was not happening in the 70s for instance , now the GOV will have you believe that it is the strength of the "new " weed but this just is not true .

The real reason is the weed is being grown by greedy idiots and not professional growers  , and these people cut it down at the wrong moment 

you see cannabis has many cannabinoids most famous is THC  but there are 65 known cannabinoids that all do different stuff CBD ,CND and so on 

When grown in a field it has a whole year to mature and produce the correct mix of chemicals , this weed is not known to cause any mental problems 

When grown in some guys flat he cuts it as early as possible "for profit" but this is very bad for the user as this weed is high in THC not a problem if it has the other CBDs and CNBs but weed cut early will not have these present and can and does lead to some "very very small amount " of people worsening an underlying condition  such as schizophrenia

Again here as always legality is impairing quality  and our government should step in and take control its not just going to go away  

 

Im also shocked presuming most of you have gambled in your life and this is legall and well all have first hand experience of the pain and suffering gambling can lead to BUT ITS A FREE COUNTRY  you can still gamble as an adult you make an educated decision 

to say well it affects some people badly so it should be illegal then lets ban almost everything we do starting with cars , fatty foods etc etc 


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Posted 15 April 2013 - 11:44 AM

pro or anti, this is worth a watch.

 

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 12:26 PM

pro or anti, this is worth a watch.

 

http://www.upworthy.com/every-war-on-drugs-myth-thoroughly-destroyed-by-a-retired-police-captain

so true 

some points he makes 

the police were made to deal with crimes against people , not harm against yourself this is a job for education , religion and family 

If heroin was legal would you take it ? and if you did want it you could get it today anyway  

 

Do you ever think we will win the war on drugs ?? i.e no more drugs in society 

ovc not all we do is give normal law abiding citizens criminal records and supply the gangsters with a high profit high demand product 

the gangsters won't go away they will move on and drug abuse will continue but education is the key look at what has been done with tobacco recently , people feel like outcasts when they smoke now but 10 years ago you had an ashtray in burger king / mcdonalds it was the norm to smoke   


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Posted 16 April 2013 - 06:41 AM

The UK spends £3bn each year fighting drugs.

There are still approximately 2,000 drug-related deaths in the UK every year. Nearly 400,000 people have serious drug problems and the annual cost to society is estimated to be about £15bn.

 

 A poll of 150 MPs this year found that 77% thought the UK's drug policies were not effective. Public opinion polling shows similar disquiet. Yet few high-profile politicians have been willing to suggest alternatives.

 

The U.S. federal government spent over $15 billion dollars in 2010 on the War on Drugs, at a rate of about $500 per second.

 

 Arrests for drug law violations this year are expected to exceed the 1,663,582 arrests of 2009. Law enforcement made more arrests for drug abuse violations (an estimated 1.6 million arrests, or 13.0 percent of the total number of arrests) than for any other offense in 2009. 


Someone is arrested (USA)  for violating a drug law every 19 seconds.

 

Police arrested an estimated 858,408 persons for cannabis violations in 2009. Of those charged with cannabis violations, approximately 89 percent were charged with possession only. An American is arrested for violating cannabis laws every 30 seconds.

 

Since December 31, 1995, the U.S. prison population has grown an average of 43,266 inmates per year. About 25 per cent are sentenced for drug law violations.


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Posted 16 April 2013 - 01:03 PM

you can always tell who a pot head is.. Puffy Half open Eyes.. Slurred Speech.. Couldnt give a f*** attitude.. 

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 01:45 PM

you can always tell who a pot head is.. Puffy Half open Eyes.. Slurred Speech.. Couldnt give a f*** attitude.. 

lol you would be surprised , cannabis can be used as a stimulant , there are many different kinds , and many differing effects .

Doctors , lawyers , politicians and many many more professionals use it just like others use wine to relax  


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Posted 16 April 2013 - 02:24 PM

lol you would be surprised , cannabis can be used as a stimulant , there are many different kinds , and many differing effects .

Doctors , lawyers , politicians and many many more professionals use it just like others use wine to relax  

 

Crazy! Just seems like another thing thatll make you poorer in your pocket and quicker to the grave :(



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Posted 16 April 2013 - 05:16 PM

Crazy! Just seems like another thing thatll make you poorer in your pocket and quicker to the grave :(

well maybe poorer yes , quicker in your grave idk no evidence (and trust me they spent millions looking for it) 

Look stress is one of THE biggest killers / damages of health and we all know many things in life stress us , this (for me at least ) dissolves stress like andrews dissolves stomach acid , now for some it might be a hideous drug that only leads to bad things , same could be said for peanuts , some people go into anaphylactic shock off even a trace of the powerful nut  :err:  and yes nuts have killed people weed has not , but look let's consider alcohol ,

most peoples views of drugs is based on their experience with the 1 drug they have experience with  and in most cases thats alcohol , now while used properly and responsibly it is itself a stress reliever and a blood thinner so can  be medicinal , but when used irresponsible its a life breaker a ruiner of families etc etc but we tolerate it blaming the individual for their lack of control   

Also the main misconception is that weed somehow acts like alcohol but it does not it is like an opposite of alcohol it makes you shy and less likely to say what you were going to say  , for some people this is not good for me its needed =D 

But when it comes to drugs people simply blame the drug  :radar:  yeah makes no sense .

Lets take gambling and just fruities as its the only gambling i've ever done bar the national , now its very bad on the "pocket" and even worst for stress and the addiction i experienced with fruities has never been matched by any drug , thankfully I managed by myself to rid the addiction (and with the help of these emulators) allowing me to try everything I thought made a difference only to realise its not gambling and you're not even playing your basically paying to watch a fruit machine play itself , point is its not the fruity with the problem it is me the person / adult 


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