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[mickjones]

ive seen this appear on some fruit machines, its a bit of a bugger really. Is this another way of telling you that the note acceptor is full up, and the machine is ready to pay out.... or am i talking waffle???????

[NickYerPesos]

ive seen this appear on some fruit machines, its a bit of a bugger really. Is this another way of telling you that the note acceptor is full up, and the machine is ready to pay out.... or am i talking waffle???????

Absolute drivel I'm afraid.. In retrospect it would actually mean the opposite, if anything, because the machine hasn't got enough pound coins in it to pay out the major prizes, so it locks out the note acceptor in a bid to scrape in as many pound coins in to then have enough pound coins in it again.. Even in five pound notes you would need an awful lot of money to fill up a note acceptor that files the notes, or if its a note acceptor that just drops the notes into a cage, it would have no idea that its full and again would need an awful lot of notes to fill it up anyways.. Most likely cause for "coins only" is that it's just paid out big and doesn't have a lot of coins left in it.. Or just doesn't have a lot of coins.. Either way I would steer clear

[Bencrest]

Absolute drivel I'm afraid.. In retrospect it would actually mean the opposite, if anything, because the machine hasn't got enough pound coins in it to pay out the major prizes, so it locks out the note acceptor in a bid to scrape in as many pound coins in to then have enough pound coins in it again.. Even in five pound notes you would need an awful lot of money to fill up a note acceptor that files the notes, or if its a note acceptor that just drops the notes into a cage, it would have no idea that its full and again would need an awful lot of notes to fill it up anyways.. Most likely cause for "coins only" is that it's just paid out big and doesn't have a lot of coins left in it.. Or just doesn't have a lot of coins.. Either way I would steer clear

 

The one in our club did this recently, I believe it was a physical issue with the notey that was causing it. Normally if the hopper is low it locks out the note acceptor, so that the light will go off, the lights above it will show 'no change available', e.t.c. rather than trying to accept a note and then saying 'coins only'.

 

I can only imagine that the machine in question knew it was a good note, but was then unable to feed the note out the back of the validator for some reason. Possibly because it was 'full', if it was using a stacker, or a broken stacker, but most machines I see these days don't use stackers and drop the notes into a cashbox in the bottom door.

[cgleisure]

or the note acceptors switched off 

[nails]

the hopper does not have enough coins to payout for notes and a series of jackpots. simple

[Bencrest]

the hopper does not have enough coins to payout for notes and a series of jackpots. simple

 

But is it? In my local club we have a DOND with a notey. We've had it IOU several times when playing with notes, and it has on occasion done back to back jackpots (nice when it happens!) and ended up with a £200+ IOU.

 

When hopper low : Note acceptor off. £5/£10/£20 notes above the acceptor go off, and 'NO CHANGE AVAILALBLE' light comes on. It will not accept notes.

 

When 'COINS ONLY' : Note acceptor on, £5/£10/£20 notes above the acceptor are on. Acceptor will accept a note, make all the noises as though it is about to credit the note, but then at the lost moment it spits the note out.

 

The fact it actually validates the note... but then rejects at the last second suggests to me it's more to do with a fault following the note validation (for example, the validator can't pass the note into the stacker because of an obstruction) than the fact the machine is empty.

 

However, I don't actually know, so can't say for sure...

Edited by Bencrest, 30 April 2013 - 06:53 PM.

[NickYerPesos]

Could it be a different kind of note acceptor

 
But is it? In my local club we have a DOND with a notey. We've had it IOU several times when playing with notes, and it has on occasion done back to back jackpots (nice when it happens!) and ended up with a £200+ IOU.

That would simply be because they haven't updated the hopper balance in a long time.. Or doing the book keeping / emptying procedure wrong, if the machine thinks it has £250 in it and reality it only has £5 then the note acceptor will still work as the notey goes by what the memory thinks is in the hopper and not what is actually in the hopper

Edited by NickYerPesos, 30 April 2013 - 07:46 PM.

[cgleisure]

a few places dont want 600 quid sat in a machine so float it lower but press top up 

[Bencrest]

a few places dont want 600 quid sat in a machine so float it lower but press top up 

 

Yeah, pretty sure the DOND in our local has a float of approx £350.

 

Could it be a different kind of note acceptor

That would simply be because they haven't updated the hopper balance in a long time.. Or doing the book keeping / emptying procedure wrong, if the machine thinks it has £250 in it and reality it only has £5 then the note acceptor will still work as the notey goes by what the memory thinks is in the hopper and not what is actually in the hopper

 

Yeah, I'm aware of that, they don't give it a full float definitely. I was trying (badly) to say that a machine takes notes based on a float level, and when that level is on the acceptor is effectively turned 'on', so the 'coins only' thing has nothing to do with the float level itself

[nails]

a few answers there so i 'll try to wade through them -

 

basically the note acceptor is nothing to do with the machine as such, its a bolt on extra. while you could put a note in and let it does its stuff, the machine can still refuse the note. what should happen is that the machine tells the note acceptor not to accept notes.

 

in regards to jackpots, i'm sure we've been over this 100 times before. just because there is only a few coins in the hopper, this has nothing to do with the state of the machine, it can still try and do a £210 run with only a mere £1 coin in the hopper. likewise it could be full to the brim and still suck £600 before it does 1 jackpot.

 

what should happen is that a machine should be floated and then pressed hopper top up. some companies like to put £125 in a £250 hopper for security reasons. because of this its a false reading, giving change when infact it could be empty.