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[ady]

Whatever happened to Peter Clayton?

 

Oh and his involvement with UnionJackpots or ujp's itself?

[aaamusements]

Good question. Union Jackpots redirected to another online slots site the last time I looked, from what I remember?

[jaybee]

Those games used to be on BET365

[stanmarsh14]

Biggest con since the EPEE saga that..... hope to never see it again.

[nails]

seem to remember he ran into some legal difficulties of some sort and eventually closed the site.

[Idontknow]

Probably because he didn't have the millions of pounds sat in his bank account that he would have needed to have proved he had as part of a online casino licence.

 

Also the software was no where near ready enough to be used for gaming, was buggy as hell.

[stevedude2]

The whole premise of that venture was to get 'pub-style' fruit machines (AWPs) onto the internet, but it was doomed from the start because you can't have compensated games online; they have to be random.  So any game with trails, holds and nudges and so on are never going to work because you have to have exactly the same chance of winning from one game to the next.  Therefore if you hold a trail over to the next game it means jack-shit, and the visual suggestion that you have a better chance is therefore misleading in any case.

 

And then let's say you play a game where the server says you're going to win £10.  The game has to now deliver that money to the player in an exciting way, so the feature comes in and you go round the board for a bit before collecting a fiver.  Where does that other £5 go?  How does the game achieve the stated RTP%?

 

I honestly believe that they didn't realise any of this before they started, and once they did it was too late to go back.

 

In the end you had a load of games that played nothing like the original AWPs that they were trying to copy, and they were full to the brim with bugs, as mentioned above, mainly because the player has too many choices to make (hi-lo, collect or carry on etc).

 

While you might applaud Union Jackpots, or whoever they were called, for having a go, the whole thing was a waste of time and didn't have a chance, certainly not with the games they were trying to copy.

 

The only way to do it would be to have a random base game and if you want a 'pub-style' feature board you just have a database of different arrays of numbers that move the player along without them being able to deviate until they eventually reach a COLLECT position, so you can ensure they end up with the prize they should.  But given the lack of player interaction with this, again what would be the point?  And who would play these games for more than 5 minutes?  It's a lot of development effort for very little in return.

 

The only way a gaming company would try to do something like this now would be if someone like a senior director who doesn't understand internet gaming and the complexities of modern AWPs asks for them to do it, and then walks off and leaves them to try and figure out a solution, and has blind faith that they will succeed.  Otherwise you wouldn't bother, as it's a waste of time and money.

Edited by stevedude2, 09 February 2014 - 12:26 PM.

[jaybee]

You are right AWPs do not work online.

Those electrocoin online games are very messy!

[DnM]

The whole premise of that venture was to get 'pub-style' fruit machines (AWPs) onto the internet, but it was doomed from the start because you can't have compensated games online; they have to be random.  So any game with trails, holds and nudges and so on are never going to work because you have to have exactly the same chance of winning from one game to the next.  Therefore if you hold a trail over to the next game it means jack-shit, and the visual suggestion that you have a better chance is therefore misleading in any case.

 

 

I don't think that's strictly true, i play a game occasionally on Ladbrokes called cops and robbers, the game is clearly compensated, if you knock back say a £10 feature then about a fiver later you'll get a £15 block, if you knock that back then around a fiver later it'll offer upto £20 and so on. I've played this particular game through at least a dozen times and have had the same outcome every time, the £50 jackpot has always cost me £55-60. It could be a huge coincidence but my opinion as a seasoned fruity player is that it's 100% compensated.

 

Either way union jackpots were lacking in many other ways, they didn't have the bank roll for a start and as other have said the machines were unbelievably buggy!