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[pershorepcs]

Just a note on bar-x 7 went down to Devon 2 weeks ago went into Paignton pier and put £9 into one and on£1 "play and dropped 7s in for £100 on concept kit.. No hold though.. 

[bluewho]

Well that was 15 minutes of my life I'll never get back.

 

Mixer - Lay off the acid, It's clouding your mind.

[tigerboytony11]

A fruit machine is designed at the end of the day to take your money. That is it's purpose and it's aim. The owners of amusement arcades, pubs, clubs and leisure facilities all know this to a degree, and they are hardly going to pay out well over £1000 a time for these machines, to just keep dropping £35 Jackpots, £70 Jackpots and now £100 Jackpots. The new £100 Jackpot DOND's are still operating the same as the £70 Jackpots, it's just going to take you MORE money to get boards, super features and bigger payouts. The owners of these machines have to fill them using their own cash and with money being as tight as it is these days, they are hardly going to put up to £500 to £700 in a machine knowing that as easy as anything they are going to loose the lot. 

 

The serious player will keep putting pound after pound in knowing that eventually the machine will Go All The Way and pay out the jackpot, possibly more, but it could end up costing him more. For example, he could put in £125 before the machine GATW, and the machine cud literally just pay out the £100, therefore he is down £25. The average player will put anything between £15-£30 in before he says this is doing nothing after collecting average wins such as £15, £20 a time. The casual player will put up to £5 in and the machine will do SFA, and then he says sod this I'm off. 

 

It really is a question of catching the machine at the right time. It's sods law I'm afraid, still in the gambling world. It's always been my luck that I either fill the machine, and walk away, and Joe Bloggs comes along, puts £1 in and wins the lot. Or, vice versa, I walk into an arcade, see a DOND, put £1, and the machine GATW's 3 or 4 times (though this never happens in the pub :/). Unless you are prepared to spend a couple of hundred in the pub to get the machine to pay out, it's best to just play the machine, and hopefully you'll strike it lucky. No criticism please, I'm just stating my expereience. I owned arcade and pub machines, and always found that the machine would have to reach a certain target before it would even consider paying big money. 

[Bencrest]

Even though I'm considering myself to be in a form of 'gambling remission' at the moment, I feel that the only way I would consider playing pub machines again would be to lower the jackpot. Even with the increase of price of play to £1, hi-tech AWPs in pubs simply aren't entertaining in a 'session' sense. I mean it's nice to win, but the cost per board, the typical maximum win per board (assuming the machine isn't gagging to play), and the amount of uncertainty about machine 'tricks', means the casual gambler has been pushed out of the market.

 

There is no value in lower features compared to the JP or price of play. 

 

I used to love slotting in pubs with dad in the £15/£25 jackpot era, where you could still lose, but it still had (in my opinion) an element of fun. We could stake £20 a piece and typically get a good hours entertainment, while still having money in the bank,

 

On a 25p machine, the first or second feature up might pay £3 (12x stake), on modern £1 play machines you might have to put in £10 for a board, only for this to pay £2 from the bottom feature - 2x stake. 

 

These days we could put £20 a piece in and have nothing left in under £5 minutes, due to the way the machines are saving up for streaks e.t.c.

 

At least on £25 a typical streak might be £50>£75 which could reasonably be expected to pay a fair number of times across several visits.

 

I'd much rather play a pub machine on £35 jackpot, 50p play (like the Road to Riches in my garage), or a £25 jackpot on 25p play.

Edited by Bencrest, 02 June 2014 - 11:40 AM.

[banditboy2006]

A fruit machine is designed at the end of the day to take your money. That is it's purpose and it's aim. The owners of amusement arcades, pubs, clubs and leisure facilities all know this to a degree, and they are hardly going to pay out well over £1000 a time for these machines, to just keep dropping £35 Jackpots, £70 Jackpots and now £100 Jackpots. The new £100 Jackpot DOND's are still operating the same as the £70 Jackpots, it's just going to take you MORE money to get boards, super features and bigger payouts. The owners of these machines have to fill them using their own cash and with money being as tight as it is these days, they are hardly going to put up to £500 to £700 in a machine knowing that as easy as anything they are going to loose the lot. 

 

The serious player will keep putting pound after pound in knowing that eventually the machine will Go All The Way and pay out the jackpot, possibly more, but it could end up costing him more. For example, he could put in £125 before the machine GATW, and the machine cud literally just pay out the £100, therefore he is down £25. The average player will put anything between £15-£30 in before he says this is doing nothing after collecting average wins such as £15, £20 a time. The casual player will put up to £5 in and the machine will do SFA, and then he says sod this I'm off. 

 

It really is a question of catching the machine at the right time. It's sods law I'm afraid, still in the gambling world. It's always been my luck that I either fill the machine, and walk away, and Joe Bloggs comes along, puts £1 in and wins the lot. Or, vice versa, I walk into an arcade, see a DOND, put £1, and the machine GATW's 3 or 4 times (though this never happens in the pub :/). Unless you are prepared to spend a couple of hundred in the pub to get the machine to pay out, it's best to just play the machine, and hopefully you'll strike it lucky. No criticism please, I'm just stating my expereience. I owned arcade and pub machines, and always found that the machine would have to reach a certain target before it would even consider paying big money. 

 that's bull as you have to put in a minuium off 250 in a 100 quid machine to start of with to cover it as they can do 200 quid megas

 

and if they was only floated with 125 they would go empty quick then the customers will be getting accused of scaming the machine before the owner wont fill it up properly

[banditboy2006]

 as this is a common problem in the arcades the staff think they know more about the machines then the owner

[banditboy2006]

example if you float a 100 jackpot machies with 125 with a notey and somebody put a 5r in for a 200 quid run

 

the machines had lost 75 quid to pay the shortfall and the refloat money so would be 200 quid down

 

but if you floated it with 250 or 350 it wont go empty and it will still notes

 

I have never heard of a machine all ways winning it has to take a loss sometimes as a machine cannot take loads for nothing all the while

 

 

even partytimes have gone on that big of a run they have had to be filled up twice over

Edited by banditboy2006, 02 June 2014 - 01:02 PM.

[banditboy2006]

and I have caused a 5 pound machine to lose nearly 300 quid in one week for a few months

 

70 quid refills daily lol

[tigerboytony11]

banditboy you didn't read the thread properly. I said the machine can be floated up to between £500-£700 a time, so what I actually said was on a £100 Jackpot machine, a PLAYER can put anything up to £125 in the machine before the machine even considers Go All The Way, and even if the machine does GATW, there is no guarantee that the machine will roll again after hitting £100, so if it's a flat £100, then the player is down £25. There is no way you can only float a £100 Jackpot machine with £125 cash in it, cus like you say a machine cud potentailly go £200 Mega Streak. All I said was the owners of these machines know that that it is a form of gambling and a way of making money so they are not going to make it so easy to win because they would all be out of pocket. This is why takings are DOWN for playing fruit machines because they are just taking people's money without giving anything back in return. 

[vectra666]

End of the day fruit machines have always had the odd stacked against the player that's what they're originally designed for. They've always been set at 70-80% its just players never noticed as much in the past because the jps were lower and cheaper to play. Infact the oldie £2-£4.80p repeaters had a better 'streak' in then I mean you could repeat a jp 10xs but would still go dead for the next £20. Only obvious difference in today's moneyboxes is in costs you upto £2 a spin, you say £10 a board that's only 10 spins, old days equivalent to 10p spins board every quid and even then you couldn't expect two quid every time (200%)