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[Geddy]

Sorry was typing this when Stan locked the thread.... but I'm not wasting a lot of typing so here you go lol

 

Some observations from my recent bout of datting and comments made by Deathclaw....

 

Unfortunately you are going to get people who do things the easy way and I guess it's hats off to those who put in the real graft. I guess quality shows though in the end and the better quality layouts as far as I'm concerned will always be preferred.

 

I went off playing layouts a long time before my FME hiatus, however when I did play a DX it would generally be from the Top 5 'producers.' In the course of datting the layouts today I've had to load them to take screenshots, f*ck me there are some horrendous layouts that are very recent - I would have thought progression (one purpose of the dats is you can look at a set of layouts and see how they have improved over the course of time - hopefully) is the key and always should have been not just a quick 2 hours slop together to have the attention gleamed from a 'release' thread. C on a B some of the classics I've snapped today - the chuffing lamps or buttons are not even straight or uniform. Laziness really.

 

I guess it's like a lot of things today, quick fix, quick attention grab, quick moment in the spotlight quick quick quick.... now now now....

 

Memba folks time taken is directly proportional to the quality achieved... Listen to uncle Geddy you will go far...

[Deathclaw]

I'm not 'anti people using my stuff'. It's far, far more complicated than that. Over the years if I have had something that helped others I would be all for letting them re-use it. Things, such as, reel bands for example. If (like recently) I've sat down and drawn them as vectors and they don't exist otherwise then fair enough.

 

I prefer to help people learn to create their own stuff, rather than them just pinching it and re-releasing it. That's not learning to do anything.

 

And that's how it's always been.

 

Good source art has always been something quite hard to obtain in FME land. And that's because usually those obtaining it are not aware of how it needs to be 'shot'. For example, just recently Steve said he would shoot me his Happy Viper top glass. He took a few, then I sent him over a sample of how a fruit machine glass should be shot. The next set of photos he sent me were absolutely spot on, he really nailed it.

 

However, 99% of the images (and flyers*) that end up doing the rounds are bloody horrible. This then leaves some poor sod to spend hours, nay, days or weeks sorting them out. Big Ghoulies for example had some of the worst base art I've seen as a layout creator. It was absolutely awful. As such I spent probably closing in on a week, at a good 8 hours a day cleaning it and drawing back in areas that had disappeared under a camera flash.It looked OK. Not perfect, as redrawn art is never perfect (graphical programs build things out of pixels, so you'll always end up with jagged edges) but as close as you can get using an app like Photoshop.

 

Then some one takes that art, says he's going to change the side art... Hang on a minute, now you're taking the f*****g piss.

 

It's easy for people who don't understand any of this to pass comment. Of course it is. It's much easier to give away someone else's hard work, but would you do that with your own? of course you wouldn't. If you went through life watching people steal your hard work then you would no doubt be very annoyed over it.

 

And FME does not automatically grant people liberties they would not get elsewhere, sorry. There's being decent and sharing things and then there's taking the f*****g piss. And there is a line drawn, just as there is anywhere else. FME does not have an immunity that the rest of life does not.

 

The sooner people realise this and understand it and stop with the behaviour the better. Once people start treating others in FME as they would real life people the better it's going to be.

 

It's time that those who do not make the layouts try and understand what goes into the layouts instead of being so bloody flippant.

 

I'll never, ever forget the time Oldskooler asked me to show him how to make a layout. I think he got to about four hours before getting up and walking away........

 

*most flyers have printing marks. I have a SCSI scanner that can remove them as it is being scanned. Pretty nifty bit of kit, but I would bet that 100% of all of the flyers scanned and uploladed did not have such a function and thus, the artwork is poor.

Edited by Deathclaw, 10 May 2014 - 09:10 AM.

[fuzion]

This is the thing with converting to amber from mfme. If you are going to rehash any of my layouts (and I have no problem with supplying original artwork as long I still have it). Then make sure it looks at least as good as when I originally released it.I have had two converted by people and I would never have released them in that state, because they actually look worse in amber because of the way they where originally lamped. I would rather not get any credit for such poor conversions. Graphic layouts should be getting better and better but this just isn't the case over the years.

J

[Deathclaw]

Oh dear. It seems I am now getting warnings from moderators.

 

Didn't think it would take long.

 

As such I've had to acknowledge a load of f*****g bollocks just to be able to post again.

 

To that I say this.

 

I came back here wanting to put in effort to help along an FME scene that, let's f*****g face it, was dead on its arse.

 

I did not come back to get into petty politics with moderators who think that they run a scene. You don't, you're just a bunch of self appointed c***s. Your moderation will get the FME scene nowhere, it's all in your head.

 

So go ahead and ban me. Because after all, that's what FME is all about isn't it? pushing and chasing people away. The actual people who do all of the hard work and supply the FME scene with stuff.

 

Ironically this is all kicking off because some one keeps basically stealing layouts that I had already made for the FME scene. And even more ironically I am making more layouts for a scene yet I am getting warnings and being bullied.

 

And it's always been the same. There's a little crew of individuals I like to refer to as the f***wit spite krew. This little krew think they are the FME scene. The sad part is that they do absolutely nothing whatsoever to contribute to FME at all.

 

All they do is go around like a bunch of f*****g mall cops dishing out warnings.

 

Go f*** yourselves. It really isn't hard to simply create another forum and appoint no douche bags. The thing is, here we go again huh? The same sad stupid bunch of individuals forcing all sorts of bullshit to happen. But then that's life,isn't it? some stupid #@#@#@# always wants to be in control.

 

So go ahead and use your little ban button. Kudos if it gives you an erection, like. And watch how the FME scene loses out again.

[Daryl]

Oh dear. It seems I am now getting warnings from moderators.

 

Didn't think it would take long.

 

As such I've had to acknowledge a load of f*****g bollocks just to be able to post again.

 

To that I say this.

 

I came back here wanting to put in effort to help along an FME scene that, let's f*****g face it, was dead on its arse.

 

I did not come back to get into petty politics with moderators who think that they run a scene. You don't, you're just a bunch of self appointed c***s. Your moderation will get the FME scene nowhere, it's all in your head.

 

So go ahead and ban me. Because after all, that's what FME is all about isn't it? pushing and chasing people away. The actual people who do all of the hard work and supply the FME scene with stuff.

 

Ironically this is all kicking off because some one keeps basically stealing layouts that I had already made for the FME scene. And even more ironically I am making more layouts for a scene yet I am getting warnings and being bullied.

 

And it's always been the same. There's a little crew of individuals I like to refer to as the f***wit spite krew. This little krew think they are the FME scene. The sad part is that they do absolutely nothing whatsoever to contribute to FME at all.

 

All they do is go around like a bunch of f*****g mall cops dishing out warnings.

 

Go f*** yourselves. It really isn't hard to simply create another forum and appoint no douche bags. The thing is, here we go again huh? The same sad stupid bunch of individuals forcing all sorts of bullshit to happen. But then that's life,isn't it? some stupid #@#@#@# always wants to be in control.

 

So go ahead and use your little ban button. Kudos if it gives you an erection, like. And watch how the FME scene loses out again.

 

I am 'approving' this DeathClaw just to put the record straight here...

 

...I have never had a gripe with you and will continue not to have either - I have always tried to stay 'neutral' in all the arguments throughout the decade of FME going and will continue to try to do - but that doesn't mean I haven't got an opinion.

 

I'm not a 'f***wit' and I'm not a c*** ( hell I don't even like them ) but joking aside, and in all fairness, the Admin/owner of the site, who has total neutrality to all the FME scene as he isn't even involved in it has made it clear that despite attempt for you to moderate some of the abuse and language you've directed to some of members had been ignored.

 

I'm not getting into an argument with you over this, because as you know me from other forums I try and get on with everyone, but I'm afraid we have all (and I mean ALL)  been guilty on way or another here at Fruit Emu of going beyond what can be good manners and decency, and we have decided to take firmer action with this as a Moderating team... which we are now trying to do.

 

Please accept what has happened, by looking back at some of your posts recently and following the language and content and you will see why this action has been taken against you - it can be lifted - but it has to to take will from both sides to do this mate, and I know that you do understand and see where I am coming from on this... so please, think hard on your actions and thoughts before implementing them to a post...

 

...this isn't Fruit Forums after all!  lol

[aaamusements]

Oh dear. It seems I am now getting warnings from moderators.

 

Didn't think it would take long.

 

As such I've had to acknowledge a load of fucking bollocks just to be able to post again.

 

To that I say this.

 

I came back here wanting to put in effort to help along an FME scene that, let's fucking face it, was dead on its arse.

 

I did not come back to get into petty politics with moderators who think that they run a scene. You don't, you're just a bunch of self appointed cunts. Your moderation will get the FME scene nowhere, it's all in your head.

 

So go ahead and ban me. Because after all, that's what FME is all about isn't it? pushing and chasing people away. The actual people who do all of the hard work and supply the FME scene with stuff.

 

Ironically this is all kicking off because some one keeps basically stealing layouts that I had already made for the FME scene. And even more ironically I am making more layouts for a scene yet I am getting warnings and being bullied.

 

And it's always been the same. There's a little crew of individuals I like to refer to as the Fuckwit spite krew. This little krew think they are the FME scene. The sad part is that they do absolutely nothing whatsoever to contribute to FME at all.

 

All they do is go around like a bunch of fucking mall cops dishing out warnings.

 

Go fuck yourselves. It really isn't hard to simply create another forum and appoint no douche bags. The thing is, here we go again huh? The same sad stupid bunch of individuals forcing all sorts of bullshit to happen. But then that's life,isn't it? some stupid wanker always wants to be in control.

 

So go ahead and use your little ban button. Kudos if it gives you an erection, like. And watch how the FME scene loses out again.

 

No, you aren't getting warnings from moderators, you are getting a warning from the site owner.

 

This same owner has almost no interest in the ancient history of FME, who you are, what you've done, what he or she said when and why, whose Dad is bigger etc...

I just don't care.

 

I'm not in this alleged "Krew", and I don't know if such a thing even exists outside of your head.

 

I don't plan to dignify the rest of your silly post with a response.

 

For goodness sake move on. Get on with doing what you're good at, what makes you happy, whatever. Just don't have a go at all and sundry along the way. Being right is apparently very important to you but it's not going to win you some mystical internet award. It's just making you look increasingly angry and vitriolic.

[Deathclaw]

You're in the krew now.

 

This site is completely and utterly hypocritical. That's not really surprising, given who runs it. It's the same bunch of cocks who were running Dad's.

 

I'm not interested in politics. Don't you dare try and use that as an excuse. For ages Ady was giving Vectra grief over layouts. He sends me a PM to support me (and you can f*** off with your rules I did not post the contents.. What is it illegal to tell some one you received a letter these days?!?!) over the same thing, yet all of a sudden the site has pulled this miraculous U-turn and now I'm a c*** for telling people not to reuse my artwork?

 

PMSL !

 

The funny thing is Stan Douche used to ban people on Dad's for doing just that. 

 

So go ahead and ban me. Because your bullshit is what kills FME. I walked away for six years.Six years and I have people dragging it all up and telling me I killed FME. LOL !

 

And, just like in the past, here I am again working away hard on making layouts and helping with an emulator and I'm in the moderator queue. You really, truly, couldn't make it up.

 

So f*** you, f*** the site owner and f*** the FSK.

[Daryl]

OK mate...

 

...I think you've made your point quite clear about how you feel about me, the site and the Moderating team DC  - and I think it is best if we let's just leave it there now.

[Deathclaw]

OK mate...

 

...I think you've made your point quite clear about how you feel about me, the site and the Moderating team DC  - and I think it is best if we let's just leave it there now.

 

It probably is Daryl yes.

 

Because you're being a hypocrite. 

 

We've gotten along great on Fruit Forums for years now. Never even a crossed word. I come back here, the FSK turn up and now I've been put in a moderator queue so that you can filter my posts.

 

Why? did they ever need filtering on FF?

 

I've said it before and I will say it again. I do not want people reusing and rehashing my layouts.

 

The f***ed up part is that before I turned up you, your staff and this site all agreed. Yet because it's me and because I'm helping Guitar and so on all of a sudden that's all changed.

 

I do not want to fall out with you, yet, if you play the hypocrite and bully then I will, no matter who you are and what happens at Fruit Forums.

 

I'm sick to f*****g death of 'moderators' and 'admin' and 'staff'. Do they make layouts and code emulators then? Or is it simply that there are four or five members around here that are complete f*****g control freaks and do not want any emulator or any layouts to be released other than theirs, with a cherry (ban button) on the top?

 

If you can explain to me how much actual FME this site produces without my help then I'll never post here again. And rehashed resized layouts don't count. I make it about, oooo? five years? (barring Ploggy as he was a original FF member) since this site has seen a new release.

 

And I don't count the ones I flooded out on Fruitforums that have been stolen and re-released here.

[Daryl]

I have said this before on other occasions and I will say it again here now, I am not a bully and I can't see any post I've made to you here at Fruit Emu where I have been either...

 

Fruit Forums is a totally different site mate... the forums and the rules are hardly imposed there because no one knows who owns the bleeding place and who actually moderates it - it runs itself, quite ably in my opinion, and therefore it doesn't need the moderation because you know what you expect.

 

Fruit Emu is totally different in every way. It IS mainly about emulation and not any other subject under the Sun, and members here DO care how each of them are treated and respected... we have a database of over 16,000 members DC, and to try and please all of the people, ALL of the time, can be a thankless task - but, I like the rest of the staff try to do this... and yes we sometimes make mistakes - but I am the first to own up to them were they are made and have done so too.

 

I do agree with you to a point of the quality and releases of layouts that have been 'copied' for want of a word for it, and had the borrower's touch put to it that isn't up to standard - but to be honest how you've gone about it with the language and abuse to some of our members here hasn't been the right way at all. We are from the FME past mate, well past - a newer breed are coming along that more or less expect everything there for them in the first place and they put their 'take' on it - I know it doesn't seem right, and perhaps it isn't, but that is how it is now, and I'm afraid how it will be to come... and as far as I can see, we've just got to accept that because the way you're approaching the situation here isn't helping us at all to try and steer the FME scene forward with such an aggressive and yes, bullying manner to other members.

 

I would love to see your help with the scene again - but you've got to appreciate that Fruit Emu is a forums that have members who don't want personal attacks and bad language throughout their threads and posts, and frankly, neither do the staff - it causes more disharmony than you can imagine.

 

I know I've typed away here making my fingers ( and brain ) sore replying to you in the full knowledge that you won't accept what I'm saying, but I have had to say it - you're welcome here DC, but please remember that Fruit Emu has evolved from what it was, and other FME forums were, in the past.

[Geddy]

This site is completely and utterly hypocritical. That's not really surprising, given who runs it. It's the same bunch of cocks who were running Dad's.

 

 

 I'm not running anything here, I have as far as I know since returning here been okay towards you and not got involved in any fights.

[altharic]

I'm not a mod here either not sure where you get that paranoid delusion from?

[niallquinn]

Anybody fancy a pint?  I'll be in the Red Lion in 10 minutes...........

 

People that code, obtain resources, release layouts, are the "do-ers".  THe scene needs them.

 

Forums, moderators etc., the scene doesn't need them in the slightest.

 

Remember pre forums when everybody released their OWN stuff on their own sites?  It was great.

 

Forums equals arguing, fighting and pointless shite, end of.

 

Me. I'd take a new self designed layout anytime over a rehash of other peoples work anyday.

 

And I'm one of the few that really is looking forward to Lineup, especially since MFME sound output is shite for synth or discrete components sounds.

 

NQ.

Edited by niallquinn, 10 May 2014 - 01:41 PM.

[banditboy2006]

but I magic a top spec pc out of fresh as I haven't got the spare cash as I am only living on 50 quid a week after I have paid everything out and my board

[fuzion]

I have to agree with NQ. It's all a bit pointless.

J

[Daryl]

Anybody fancy a pint?  I'll be in the Red Lion in 10 minutes...........

 

People that code, obtain resources, release layouts, are the "do-ers".  THe scene needs them.

 

Forums, moderators etc., the scene doesn't need them in the slightest.

 

Remember pre forums when everybody released their OWN stuff on their own sites?  It was great.

 

Forums equals arguing, fighting and pointless shite, end of.

 

Me. I'd take a new self designed layout anytime over a rehash of other peoples work anyday.

 

And I'm one of the few that really is looking forward to Lineup, especially since MFME sound output is shite for synth or discrete components sounds.

 

NQ.

 

I will get you a paddle for the canoe to go up that infamous creek NQ mate...   lol

[adb]

On the state of layouts it's a shame people can't start from scratch, look at Vectra (And i mean this in no way bad, good example as he's one of the newest creators to the party) when he started his layouts weren't the best, but as time went on and he created more, learned things here & there and pressed on they're gotten a hell of a lot better. People need to take heed, people are willing to help but only if you're willing to put the time and dedication in.

 

Some of the classics are are a bloody eyesore too, much to the point where I've been re-doing them myself for personal use. Not to be disrespectful but Nicks Poker Face, the squares on the actual machine have 3 bulbs, so for MFME that's 4 lamps needed, but he actually used a seperate lamp for each bulb, no double lamping so the layout breaks itself when they change colours, from what i've noticed spending that extra bit of time to get it working on 2 lamps as opposed to 3 sorts that issue. He may not be to blame but given the amount of time it took to release it & the machine doesn't run properly surely you'd spend the extra time getting it in a prsentable state?

 

Come back JAFC, we need your classics

 

 

I'm not interested in politics. Don't you dare try and use that as an excuse. For ages Ady was giving Vectra grief over layouts. He sends me a PM to support me (and you can quack off with your rules I did not post the contents.. What is it illegal to tell some one you received a letter these days?!?!) over the same thing, yet all of a sudden the site has pulled this miraculous U-turn and now I'm a "the c word that people instinctively use when they are losing an argument" for telling people not to reuse my artwork?

 

Great to see i'm not the only one who's noticed that. As i said earlier can't be one rule for one mod & a different one for another.

 

 

Edit: I can see he's an admin, if that does mean he has access to PM's & i get the feeling he hasn't been playing fair. AA, you're around a fair bit so do we need a 2nd Admin? Especially if things like this arise.

Edited by adb, 10 May 2014 - 04:01 PM.

[aaamusements]

Great to see i'm not the only one who's noticed that. As i said earlier can't be one rule for one mod & a different one for another.

 

 

Edit: I can see he's an admin, if that does mean he has access to PM's & i get the feeling he hasn't been playing fair. AA, you're around a fair bit so do we need a 2nd Admin? Especially if things like this arise.

 

I acknowledge your post, but I don't intend to respond to it on an open forum.

[altharic]

Oooo secret inner circle convos.