Hi all.
I recently went down to see my family in kent and went to the local arcade only to see to new fruit machines that pay out £5000 cash jackpots. They are based on the same ideas as the vagas slots where you can select between 5 and 20 lines at 10p per line.
One was called Mega slot where apparently there is no way to tell when it is going to go up on the bonus bored(just like a party time). It will only go up when you have not won on the main game sbutlike I say it is just random.
The other was a new party games where you can have up to 20 lines but to get the feature you have to get 3 or more party symbols to get a feature.
HAs anyone else see these and do you think this is what the future of fruit machines will be like in arcades. If so I think it will be the final straw as there is no type of entertainment in these machines and at £2 a go I think many people will be just too scared to play them.
Let me know what you all think.
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Posted 02 April 2005 - 11:22 AM
well I actually think as lo-tech's go, these offer good value for money. What you have to remember is these machines are not only on 94%+ which means you get a damn near fair gamble, but they are also random so it doesnt matter if someone has just won/lost before you. Infact they have often given me £50+ in just one £2 spin - however there is addmitedly the potential to do a lot of money in a short amount of time!
However they are a damn sight better than bar x, and all clones of bar x ie. magic 7 magic 10, the list is endless... which offer no value for money, and often cost £50+ for a single win, they also beat party time arena and most other arena games ( not golden game though
) which often take a lot more than £25 to give "the game" which is inevitably often £2-5.
I suppose you could say its harsh at £2 a go, but then you can play 10p a go on it if you want, you just get 1 line, it's the same value for money, its just people like the 20 lines. Similaly on Ultra hot ( admiral games ) which is another very popular new machine you can play 25p a go if you want, its just not many people do, since the £1 stake involves getting £8/£5+repeat for all the wins, aswell as giving about £80 for a grid and £150 for the 777's.
Put it this way, if you walk in there with £10 you "could" get £500, yes its unlikely, but its a damn sight more likely than you winning on bar x's and other lo-tech's, and if you didnt know -------------------
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However they are a damn sight better than bar x, and all clones of bar x ie. magic 7 magic 10, the list is endless... which offer no value for money, and often cost £50+ for a single win, they also beat party time arena and most other arena games ( not golden game though
) which often take a lot more than £25 to give "the game" which is inevitably often £2-5. I suppose you could say its harsh at £2 a go, but then you can play 10p a go on it if you want, you just get 1 line, it's the same value for money, its just people like the 20 lines. Similaly on Ultra hot ( admiral games ) which is another very popular new machine you can play 25p a go if you want, its just not many people do, since the £1 stake involves getting £8/£5+repeat for all the wins, aswell as giving about £80 for a grid and £150 for the 777's.
Put it this way, if you walk in there with £10 you "could" get £500, yes its unlikely, but its a damn sight more likely than you winning on bar x's and other lo-tech's, and if you didnt know -------------------
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Posted 02 April 2005 - 12:06 PM
my first slotto jkp 2 weeks a go was off 8 pound
2 spin - £25
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Posted 02 April 2005 - 12:51 PM
watch the small print, i have seen some 500 machines tha pay anythng over £25 in shopping vouchers!
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Posted 02 April 2005 - 02:21 PM
The good thing with Party Games Slotto and Mega Slot is that the £500 is paid in cash, because you are playing 20 lines and winning £25 on each line. This is far more attractive than other games, where you bet 50p on one game and all wins exceeding £25 are in vouchers.
Fair enough £2 a spin is steep, but as Richard says, you can bet as little as 1 line at 10p a go and still get an average 94% return. But then if the full-window of sevens comes in you only get paid on one line, so you're going to want to play all lines in case you miss out on other wins.
Being random you can't shark them, or be sharked, so everyone has the same chance, which is what a lot of players want.
One PGS near me lost over a grand in the first three weeks, but like with any random game, the odds always catch up eventually....A bloke who owns 3 takeaways started playing it on Good Friday at lunchtime, made £300 quite quickly but stayed on it, chasing the £500 win. He was there until closing, then back on it first thing on Saturday until closing. On Sunday he rang up the arcade and asked them to keep it switched off until he got in after he'd taken his kids out swimming for the morning. When he finally arrived at 2pm they turned it back on and he played it until 9pm when he eventually got the £500. He was still £1700 down on the machine though....
Fair enough £2 a spin is steep, but as Richard says, you can bet as little as 1 line at 10p a go and still get an average 94% return. But then if the full-window of sevens comes in you only get paid on one line, so you're going to want to play all lines in case you miss out on other wins.
Being random you can't shark them, or be sharked, so everyone has the same chance, which is what a lot of players want.
One PGS near me lost over a grand in the first three weeks, but like with any random game, the odds always catch up eventually....A bloke who owns 3 takeaways started playing it on Good Friday at lunchtime, made £300 quite quickly but stayed on it, chasing the £500 win. He was there until closing, then back on it first thing on Saturday until closing. On Sunday he rang up the arcade and asked them to keep it switched off until he got in after he'd taken his kids out swimming for the morning. When he finally arrived at 2pm they turned it back on and he played it until 9pm when he eventually got the £500. He was still £1700 down on the machine though....
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Posted 03 April 2005 - 07:48 AM
£25 jackpot machines are total crap. The jackpot prize itself has made these machines annoying and and unplayable. The average joe in the pub with his mates doesn't even look at fruit machines anymore. And why should he? £10, £20, £30, £50.... or even more needs to be wagered just for a sniff at a jackpot. Why would he want to play his loose change when not only are the odds against him but the machine itself seems to beggar belief and fight against the average joe. So what does the industry do? Lets increase the jackpot some more! This takes fruit machines from the domain of the average joe with a few pounds to squander to the organised and efficient hard gambler.
I really do hope these £500 JP machines fall flat on their faces.
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On a different note though. I really think that now is the time for maybe a new company/manufacturer to take up the torch and fill the void that was once truly AWP domain. A company capable of making machines that could fill the void left by previous manufacturers when jackpots rose to £15/£20 and now to £500. A company that is prepared to manufacture lower jackpot 'AMUSEMENT' machines that are enjoyable to play. Machines that stand along side the fruit machines of a better time like the 80's and early 90's.
I'd play a fruit machine for fun. for amusement. for pleasure. Play games of true skill. I wouldn't even mind losing provided I got some pleasure from the cash I wager. Obtainable jackpots and reasonable functions to grab a players attention. Something the average joe might want to put his beer change into. Something that doesnt reek of cheating. Something that a parent wouldn't have to be too concerned if their child was playing. Somewhere worth visiting when at the seaside.
I truly think the manufacturers of today have turned their back on enjoyable 'AMUSEMENT' machines in favour of the 'soul destroying' and 'rapid bank balance depleting' machines that serve no purpose except to reward those who operate them and to pull under more weak souls into a world of addiction. It's all fair and square saying these machines pay out 94%+. A 70% AWP playing a 5p play game may make it's operator £20 a day but a 94%+ machine at £2 per game could and probably would make hundreds if not thousands a day for it's operator.
I can understand the maths as far as the operator is concerned but who pays these hundreds or thousands of pounds a day? And all in the hope that you'll walk out not with just a few pounds up, but a substantial amount of money up. The average joe may as well just turn out his pockets, drink his free tea and walk home with thoughts of regret or even suicide.
To be honest. I think the manufacturers turned their backs a long time ago.
I really do hope these £500 JP machines fall flat on their faces.
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On a different note though. I really think that now is the time for maybe a new company/manufacturer to take up the torch and fill the void that was once truly AWP domain. A company capable of making machines that could fill the void left by previous manufacturers when jackpots rose to £15/£20 and now to £500. A company that is prepared to manufacture lower jackpot 'AMUSEMENT' machines that are enjoyable to play. Machines that stand along side the fruit machines of a better time like the 80's and early 90's.
I'd play a fruit machine for fun. for amusement. for pleasure. Play games of true skill. I wouldn't even mind losing provided I got some pleasure from the cash I wager. Obtainable jackpots and reasonable functions to grab a players attention. Something the average joe might want to put his beer change into. Something that doesnt reek of cheating. Something that a parent wouldn't have to be too concerned if their child was playing. Somewhere worth visiting when at the seaside.
I truly think the manufacturers of today have turned their back on enjoyable 'AMUSEMENT' machines in favour of the 'soul destroying' and 'rapid bank balance depleting' machines that serve no purpose except to reward those who operate them and to pull under more weak souls into a world of addiction. It's all fair and square saying these machines pay out 94%+. A 70% AWP playing a 5p play game may make it's operator £20 a day but a 94%+ machine at £2 per game could and probably would make hundreds if not thousands a day for it's operator.
I can understand the maths as far as the operator is concerned but who pays these hundreds or thousands of pounds a day? And all in the hope that you'll walk out not with just a few pounds up, but a substantial amount of money up. The average joe may as well just turn out his pockets, drink his free tea and walk home with thoughts of regret or even suicide.
To be honest. I think the manufacturers turned their backs a long time ago.
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Posted 03 April 2005 - 10:45 AM
It's all about making the speed of throughput of money as fast as possible these days, and gameplay is non-existent as a result. £80 in a Bar X 7 without a win is a f*****g disgrace, as is £90 without a feature on reno Casino. Then there's £24 for a £1 win on a Red Gaming machine, that loses first gamble. The industry is going to destroy itself by demanding x amount in the cash box each week and if a game doesn't perform, it doesn't sell.
I remember the days when you could go out with £20 cash and a bag of tokens and be guaranteed a good day's enjoyment. These days you need to be armed with 2 or 3 hundred just in case an OXO Super Reels decides to go £120 for a feature. It's all wrong. Even £5 10p games need to take £100 a week for arcades to keep them.
I have to say I find Magic Games 2 and others highly addictive and I must say the designers have obviously researched these games well because they are ruthless at extracting money from people. The pre-game gamble spinner, despite the fact it is destroying people's lives, was an excellent way of increasing turnover.
Compost, yours was a good post, and I can see there are going to be serious problems very soon with this industry as far as these games are concerned. It's big free-for-all and arcade owners don't give a shit because they are all greedy bastards.
I think the jackpot/stake ratio should have stayed at £10/20p for all cash, and £6 tokens for other games. Unfortunatley the jackpots go up to increase profits for the breweries and so on, who ultimately call the shots. They don't give a f*** about how many lives they are ruining. It was the same with FOBT's.
Cheap, fun games with good gameplay are a thing of the past, because operators are now used to machines taking hundreds a week in the cash-box, something that these games can't do. Thank God for emulation...
I remember the days when you could go out with £20 cash and a bag of tokens and be guaranteed a good day's enjoyment. These days you need to be armed with 2 or 3 hundred just in case an OXO Super Reels decides to go £120 for a feature. It's all wrong. Even £5 10p games need to take £100 a week for arcades to keep them.
I have to say I find Magic Games 2 and others highly addictive and I must say the designers have obviously researched these games well because they are ruthless at extracting money from people. The pre-game gamble spinner, despite the fact it is destroying people's lives, was an excellent way of increasing turnover.
Compost, yours was a good post, and I can see there are going to be serious problems very soon with this industry as far as these games are concerned. It's big free-for-all and arcade owners don't give a shit because they are all greedy bastards.
I think the jackpot/stake ratio should have stayed at £10/20p for all cash, and £6 tokens for other games. Unfortunatley the jackpots go up to increase profits for the breweries and so on, who ultimately call the shots. They don't give a f*** about how many lives they are ruining. It was the same with FOBT's.
Cheap, fun games with good gameplay are a thing of the past, because operators are now used to machines taking hundreds a week in the cash-box, something that these games can't do. Thank God for emulation...
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Posted 03 April 2005 - 02:36 PM
Thanks for all your replies to this post.
I do think they have jumped to quickly on the jackpots. Maybe they should have gone to £150 with a 50p - £1 stake.
It seems that the good old feature mahines will soon be a thing of the past apart from in pubs and train stations.
Ona good note thought it was fun going down to kent aa I got to go in a penny arcade which had some classics to play and did not cost an arm and a leg for a bit of entertainment.
I do think they have jumped to quickly on the jackpots. Maybe they should have gone to £150 with a 50p - £1 stake.
It seems that the good old feature mahines will soon be a thing of the past apart from in pubs and train stations.
Ona good note thought it was fun going down to kent aa I got to go in a penny arcade which had some classics to play and did not cost an arm and a leg for a bit of entertainment.
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Posted 03 April 2005 - 05:47 PM
I still feel £25 jp is the right amount as far as pubs go. Most people go into pubs socially, and not armed with £1 coins to jp the machine.
As for "amusement arcades", i feel, alike another poster that the jp limit should go up gradually. I feel there is little amusement in paying £2 a spin in the attempts to win 3/4 figure jackpots. If you want to play to win big Jp's you really should be playing online or in casino's.
I feel comfortable in that if I go into an arcade I wont come out 10 minutes later with all my wages gone with nothing to show for it, which would probably happen if there were bigger jp machines avaliable
As for "amusement arcades", i feel, alike another poster that the jp limit should go up gradually. I feel there is little amusement in paying £2 a spin in the attempts to win 3/4 figure jackpots. If you want to play to win big Jp's you really should be playing online or in casino's.
I feel comfortable in that if I go into an arcade I wont come out 10 minutes later with all my wages gone with nothing to show for it, which would probably happen if there were bigger jp machines avaliable
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Posted 03 April 2005 - 06:49 PM
there are some incredibly valid posts in this thread i can see this has been preying on people mind i agree with compost on the lower JP machines i used to love the £15 jackpots you could still get a £75 streak although they were much rarer but you could easily get a jackpot by sticking little more than 10 - 20 in on most occaisions.
These "random" machines that are cropping up a lot these days are quite worrying in the fact that when you play a machine at the mo at least you know its gotta pay out SOMETIME but with random there is just the opportunity in my eyes for it to skin you even more without giving you anything in return as its "random" what if its coming to the end of its 10000 play cycle about 150 quid away and its payed out its percentage does it just screw you bigstyle?
Machines these days are just all money no entertainment i now end up playing lo-techs (on a shocking 72% goddam glaswegian tight arse bastards) as the only way im gonna win is if someone has just done my trick and shoved all the money they have in and got back bugger all you can never tell when a streak is coming but theres always hope whereas the pub type AWPs can offer you £15`s for about £50 down the hole before finally giving you the jp and the repeat situation is an absolute joke.
Since thursday i have gone a bit silly on the machines. Lost 150 on thursday, managed to avoid them on friday, lost 120 on the way into work friday but managed to get 130 on the way home then this morning i went in and put 94 in before finally getting 110 (i was down to my last 3 quid!!) but thats me done for this month just cant afford it anymore and just hope i can keep off them next month.
These "random" machines that are cropping up a lot these days are quite worrying in the fact that when you play a machine at the mo at least you know its gotta pay out SOMETIME but with random there is just the opportunity in my eyes for it to skin you even more without giving you anything in return as its "random" what if its coming to the end of its 10000 play cycle about 150 quid away and its payed out its percentage does it just screw you bigstyle?
Machines these days are just all money no entertainment i now end up playing lo-techs (on a shocking 72% goddam glaswegian tight arse bastards) as the only way im gonna win is if someone has just done my trick and shoved all the money they have in and got back bugger all you can never tell when a streak is coming but theres always hope whereas the pub type AWPs can offer you £15`s for about £50 down the hole before finally giving you the jp and the repeat situation is an absolute joke.
Since thursday i have gone a bit silly on the machines. Lost 150 on thursday, managed to avoid them on friday, lost 120 on the way into work friday but managed to get 130 on the way home then this morning i went in and put 94 in before finally getting 110 (i was down to my last 3 quid!!) but thats me done for this month just cant afford it anymore and just hope i can keep off them next month.
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Posted 03 April 2005 - 07:51 PM
Just happend to enter my local shipleys arcade the other day, there used to be a bingo area right at the back if im not mistaken, guess whats here now?, yes you've guessed it wall to wall 500 pound ultra modern touch screen fruitys at 50p a go. i guess the grannys will have even less of there pension now!!. I also couldn't believe my eyes when i saw this bloody great elvis touch screen fruity consisting of about 4 player points each playing a different game (27 way multi fruity, roulette and two others i cant remember). Seems like the face of gaming is changing and for me i could not care less for it, this is all about scamming the meek and unhinged and promising false hope, these types of machines should be left in the casino not in the bloody high street. Gambling on the fruitys for me used to be about fun and knowing when to stop. i am lucky, others i am sure are not so strong willed.
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Posted 03 April 2005 - 09:19 PM
8O Hi,
Just reading about the £25 comments. I too feel that the £25 jackpot was a step too far. Whenever I used to go out on a bit of a pub crawl, £10, £15 jackpots you would always find a limit to the amount you lost, but now the £25 jackpots often mean that the machine doesnt do anything. What's next I wonder, in pubs ? Maybe £30 jackpot, 40p plays ? Anyone any ideas. If the speed that jackpots were 'upped' is anything to go by it wont be long until a higher jackpot comes along. The best for me was always the £15 jackpot. It seemed the best compromise between putting shed loads in, and a decent playability. Anyone any other ideas ?
Best wishes
Karl C.
Just reading about the £25 comments. I too feel that the £25 jackpot was a step too far. Whenever I used to go out on a bit of a pub crawl, £10, £15 jackpots you would always find a limit to the amount you lost, but now the £25 jackpots often mean that the machine doesnt do anything. What's next I wonder, in pubs ? Maybe £30 jackpot, 40p plays ? Anyone any ideas. If the speed that jackpots were 'upped' is anything to go by it wont be long until a higher jackpot comes along. The best for me was always the £15 jackpot. It seemed the best compromise between putting shed loads in, and a decent playability. Anyone any other ideas ?
Best wishes
Karl C.
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Posted 03 April 2005 - 09:48 PM
They don't listen! QUITE RIGHT we don't want random games.
We want entertainment.
If you put something at £2/play with no time consuming features OF COURSE IT'LL MAKE LOADS OF MONEY.
Why hasn't anyone thought of making hi-techs at £10/play with a £5000 jackpot?
switchable stakes obviously to accommodate those that want £10 to last for several zillion years.
You choose. 2p/play £200/play - £1000 jackpot. 2p play is on 80%, £200 play is on 99.98%. You lose about the same on each press (couldn't be bothered to work it out exactly) but CATER for all the levels of 'gamblers'.
No don't answer that, instead listen to this rant about meano, sorry, RENO casino by Lamesoft, sorry, GAMEsoft.
You know me, I'm not one to moan. (Rotating smiley)
!URGENT WARNING!
This is an URGENT WARNING. Some of you may have seen the lo-tech machine 'Reno Casino' by Gamesoft.
It's a 3 player unit with shared top box. 1-6 nudges can be awarded to give £1,£2,£3,£5. Reno Casino. Red sevens. Super Reno Casino.
The feature is obtained by three symbols in view. In my own experience this will usually award a fiver. You have a choice of three different casino games, but essentially you just win £5,£10,£15,£20 or £25 per credit. After the first win, you'll either hear
"Thankyou for playing Reno Casino"
or you'll hear
BLOOP! and another roulette wheel will light up and you can play again. There are a total of six wheels.
If you get red sevens and exchange, your first spin always appears to be £25. If it awards another wheel, it's back to the norm with anything from £5 to £25.
The highest streak I have seen is £60.
Now we all now what Astra machines can be like. Hideous long cycle monstrosities. These are basically the same. THIS IS WHAT CAN HAPPEN IF YOU PLAY THESE MACHINES.
** £115 for a feature (that'll normally pay £5)
** £30 without being offerred any win to gamble.
** 6 nudges awarded for nothing or £1. NB £1 must be gambled to £2, £3, £5 THEN Reno Casino to achieve a feature.
** 2 holds on wheel given time and time again and the third hold never coming. Much worse than ANY other TIC TAC TOE style machine.
** Let 'em Spin and three time holds/any other flash holds virtually unheard of.
** Features paying £5 only more than 60% of the time.
** Long cycle, unpredicatable gameplay.
** Just like a Party Time if you put in £60 for a fiver. Expect to put ANOTHER £60 in for a fiver straight away after!
CONCLUSION: DON'T PLAY RENO CASINO. DON'T EVEN BOTHER PUTTING A QUID IN. IT'S A COMPLETE WASTE OF MONEY.
**I'LL LOSE MY MONEY SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO!!**
hope that helps some of you.
We want entertainment.
If you put something at £2/play with no time consuming features OF COURSE IT'LL MAKE LOADS OF MONEY.
Why hasn't anyone thought of making hi-techs at £10/play with a £5000 jackpot?
switchable stakes obviously to accommodate those that want £10 to last for several zillion years.
You choose. 2p/play £200/play - £1000 jackpot. 2p play is on 80%, £200 play is on 99.98%. You lose about the same on each press (couldn't be bothered to work it out exactly) but CATER for all the levels of 'gamblers'.
No don't answer that, instead listen to this rant about meano, sorry, RENO casino by Lamesoft, sorry, GAMEsoft.
You know me, I'm not one to moan. (Rotating smiley)
!URGENT WARNING!
This is an URGENT WARNING. Some of you may have seen the lo-tech machine 'Reno Casino' by Gamesoft.
It's a 3 player unit with shared top box. 1-6 nudges can be awarded to give £1,£2,£3,£5. Reno Casino. Red sevens. Super Reno Casino.
The feature is obtained by three symbols in view. In my own experience this will usually award a fiver. You have a choice of three different casino games, but essentially you just win £5,£10,£15,£20 or £25 per credit. After the first win, you'll either hear
"Thankyou for playing Reno Casino"
or you'll hear
BLOOP! and another roulette wheel will light up and you can play again. There are a total of six wheels.
If you get red sevens and exchange, your first spin always appears to be £25. If it awards another wheel, it's back to the norm with anything from £5 to £25.
The highest streak I have seen is £60.
Now we all now what Astra machines can be like. Hideous long cycle monstrosities. These are basically the same. THIS IS WHAT CAN HAPPEN IF YOU PLAY THESE MACHINES.
** £115 for a feature (that'll normally pay £5)
** £30 without being offerred any win to gamble.
** 6 nudges awarded for nothing or £1. NB £1 must be gambled to £2, £3, £5 THEN Reno Casino to achieve a feature.
** 2 holds on wheel given time and time again and the third hold never coming. Much worse than ANY other TIC TAC TOE style machine.
** Let 'em Spin and three time holds/any other flash holds virtually unheard of.
** Features paying £5 only more than 60% of the time.
** Long cycle, unpredicatable gameplay.
** Just like a Party Time if you put in £60 for a fiver. Expect to put ANOTHER £60 in for a fiver straight away after!
CONCLUSION: DON'T PLAY RENO CASINO. DON'T EVEN BOTHER PUTTING A QUID IN. IT'S A COMPLETE WASTE OF MONEY.
**I'LL LOSE MY MONEY SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO!!**
hope that helps some of you.
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Posted 03 April 2005 - 10:41 PM
Unfortunately 100 active members on an FME site isn't enough to sway the manufacturers. What I am seeing is a massive decline in the amount of rural pubs able to support machines over £5JP, yet chain pubs [Wetherspoons et al] now having, in some situations, 4 £25 AWPs and 2 ITboxes.
Heres us asking for lower JPs and more playability, when people at the CMA e.t.c. are asking for £150+ jackpots in pubs!
Heres us asking for lower JPs and more playability, when people at the CMA e.t.c. are asking for £150+ jackpots in pubs!
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Hopefully recovering from years of compulsive gambling and wanting to be gamble free forever.
Recommended reading - http://www.gamblersaloud.com/ (yes, I bought the book, very happy with it!)
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Posted 04 April 2005 - 03:57 PM
I put a few quid into one of them Section 16 machines today.... had a few go's and then the machine crashed with a Windows error message saying the script running in the video was causing the PC to run slow! Bloke in the arcade could'nt fix it... had to give me my £3 of credits back. Sod's law says my next spin would of been for a £500 win! :?
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Posted 04 April 2005 - 05:53 PM
I hate it when that happens.
You put £60 into a partytime and just as you get htat "Player 3, Its you"
The machine crashes and all you get in you £1 in super tokens which you have to play in the arcade anyway.
I think there should be a comprimise with the arcades.
Also when you are in a pub and you have a bank of about £50 which has taken about £110 to win. The money in the bank is all you have left for the week-end and you decide to cut your losses when the machine sounds the alarm and your told that you will have to wait for a machanic who wont be out till the next day. Pubs Should give you ther money and then they claim it back or send the landlord to a couse to learn the basic of checking the machine.
While I'm on the subject it is the same with service staions. I travel to kent a lot and like to have a gamble and it happens all the time where the machine goes wrong i'm tole they will send the moeny in a cheque or I can pick it up then the man comes next week.
Any Ideas.
You put £60 into a partytime and just as you get htat "Player 3, Its you"
The machine crashes and all you get in you £1 in super tokens which you have to play in the arcade anyway.
I think there should be a comprimise with the arcades.
Also when you are in a pub and you have a bank of about £50 which has taken about £110 to win. The money in the bank is all you have left for the week-end and you decide to cut your losses when the machine sounds the alarm and your told that you will have to wait for a machanic who wont be out till the next day. Pubs Should give you ther money and then they claim it back or send the landlord to a couse to learn the basic of checking the machine.
While I'm on the subject it is the same with service staions. I travel to kent a lot and like to have a gamble and it happens all the time where the machine goes wrong i'm tole they will send the moeny in a cheque or I can pick it up then the man comes next week.
Any Ideas.
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Sarky
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Posted 09 April 2005 - 08:01 AM
Unfortunately 100 active members on an FME site isn't enough to sway the manufacturers.
You can't really blame the manufacturers. They can only make machines that operators will buy. If a manufacturer produces a machine that is really great to play yet it doesn't take as much money as a Bar-X they won't sell any. The operators don't care about fun they care about cash box size. What is the manufacturer to do?
As for pub machines, I agree with the comments in this thread that the £25 jackpot is too high, especially when taken in tandem with the gradual reduction in payout settings. It's not uncommon to see AWPs set to 74%. No wonder they're no fun to play! I'm glad that the triennial was aborted this time around because of the new gaming act. It would've seen jackpots go to £35 and stakes to 50p.
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Posted 09 April 2005 - 01:51 PM
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It would seem as thay did not get cart blance to build resort Casinos all over the place as was expected, thay have gone over to plan B put crap casino machines in every arcade in the country under the guise of section 16, the Elvis one by Barcrap is just a clone of the Elvis machine that has been in Vegas for years made by (now this aint going to come as a big surprize to any one) IDG now who ownes barcrap and Maygay. I have only put one pound once in a party thingy by Astra won me quid back collected it and walked away. I personaly dont care for a machine where you just shove yiour dosh in the thing and press the button and watch the reels spin. I agree with most of the posters here that its time for machines with game play and lower jackpots to return, I take my Nices to the local seaside place most weeks, and we prefer to play the older machines that thay have in there along with the bar X's and the original 3 player Party Time, for a £10 we often get a good hour or so's entertainment and some times we come home in profit, I have often had a £25 -£30 streak from the party time and also £15 from the simpsons and simpsons beer guide. and we all have some fun as well. The way things are going we will shortly see 2p, 5p and 10p play random machines with £100 jackpots YAWN.
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It would seem as thay did not get cart blance to build resort Casinos all over the place as was expected, thay have gone over to plan B put crap casino machines in every arcade in the country under the guise of section 16, the Elvis one by Barcrap is just a clone of the Elvis machine that has been in Vegas for years made by (now this aint going to come as a big surprize to any one) IDG now who ownes barcrap and Maygay. I have only put one pound once in a party thingy by Astra won me quid back collected it and walked away. I personaly dont care for a machine where you just shove yiour dosh in the thing and press the button and watch the reels spin. I agree with most of the posters here that its time for machines with game play and lower jackpots to return, I take my Nices to the local seaside place most weeks, and we prefer to play the older machines that thay have in there along with the bar X's and the original 3 player Party Time, for a £10 we often get a good hour or so's entertainment and some times we come home in profit, I have often had a £25 -£30 streak from the party time and also £15 from the simpsons and simpsons beer guide. and we all have some fun as well. The way things are going we will shortly see 2p, 5p and 10p play random machines with £100 jackpots YAWN.
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Posted 24 July 2005 - 01:27 PM
Section 16/21 machines are a symptom of the decline in fruit machine player numbers.
It's been said before, of course, but the greediness of operators who set their machines as low as 72% coupled with poor game design/unattainably high jackpots, has alienated the majority of casual AWP players.
"Oh no, the cashbox takings are down... What can we do.. The cashbox matters above all else..."
Rather than going back to basics and trying to give people a game for their money, the "industry" has (of course) gone for the fast buck option in £500 jackpots.
An arcade local to me has recently installed two Barcrest S16's, the Elvis one and Cashino.
Both of these beasts are quite capable of sucking in thousands of pounds a day, and indeed one "regular" did £5,000 down the back of the Elvis machine in its first week on site (about £1,000 a day).
Whereas the normal 30p low-techs struggle to take even £300 a week, the Section 16's are taking at least £3,000 EACH, PER WEEK. They are constantly played, whereas the Bar-X Sevens now gather dust. And all this for a third of the licence fee of a traditional AWP.
The carefully crafted games ensure that nobody plays on less than the maximum stake for long. Playing a single or few lines ensures missed jackpots galore on the winlines. As the stake is increased so does the displayed "percentage" - from 88% up to 94% for £2 a spin.
This is not about the future, or looking after customers, or giving customers a game. It is all about CASHBOX NOW, and screw everything else. Players are getting battered for thousands by these things and are having to give up. I wonder how many new players will be tempted in by £2 a spin - no sane non-gambler would entertain the idea !
It's been said before, of course, but the greediness of operators who set their machines as low as 72% coupled with poor game design/unattainably high jackpots, has alienated the majority of casual AWP players.
"Oh no, the cashbox takings are down... What can we do.. The cashbox matters above all else..."
Rather than going back to basics and trying to give people a game for their money, the "industry" has (of course) gone for the fast buck option in £500 jackpots.
An arcade local to me has recently installed two Barcrest S16's, the Elvis one and Cashino.
Both of these beasts are quite capable of sucking in thousands of pounds a day, and indeed one "regular" did £5,000 down the back of the Elvis machine in its first week on site (about £1,000 a day).
Whereas the normal 30p low-techs struggle to take even £300 a week, the Section 16's are taking at least £3,000 EACH, PER WEEK. They are constantly played, whereas the Bar-X Sevens now gather dust. And all this for a third of the licence fee of a traditional AWP.
The carefully crafted games ensure that nobody plays on less than the maximum stake for long. Playing a single or few lines ensures missed jackpots galore on the winlines. As the stake is increased so does the displayed "percentage" - from 88% up to 94% for £2 a spin.
This is not about the future, or looking after customers, or giving customers a game. It is all about CASHBOX NOW, and screw everything else. Players are getting battered for thousands by these things and are having to give up. I wonder how many new players will be tempted in by £2 a spin - no sane non-gambler would entertain the idea !
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Posted 24 July 2005 - 03:55 PM
The random number generators in these section 16 machines produce either a win or lose. The wins are displayed as they have been pulled from the RNG, but the losing combinations are carefully crafted to look like near misses OR 'If I had staked more, then I would have win'. Well I suppose that would encourage you to lose more money.
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