26 replies to this topic

[Gablaholic]

Maybe we'll see Epoch emulated soon now that Maygay are no longer developing on the platform. Would be a breath of fresh air instead of the stream of rehashes.

[mythicos]

Personally I think this layout is a total and complete waste of energy and time.
When all is said and done it will not be an 'emulation' in the true sense of the word.
Firstly you are not emulating Homer's meltdown as that is an epoch machine and cannot be 'emulated' and thus there is'nt alot of point in bothering.
Don't get me wrong, I have downloaded and enjoyed many a machine from this site but what is the point in playing something that 'looks' like Phsycho cash beast when it is'nt PCB?.

PCB is a classic for a reason, it's a awesome machine to play.
Bangin away was a sack of recycled dog poo (you know, someone eats dog poo then poos it out again) - it really was THAT bad.

So how can you tell yourself it is worthwhile doing when it's not going to play or even sound like the real thing?

That would be like taking a ferrari shell and plonking a skoda engine in it.. Who are you trying to fool? yourselves?

All you will do is fool people into thinking that epoch machines can be emulated and ask for them, at which point you will probably do what seems to be the norm and banish them to hell for asking such a question.

Don't you think it's a tad hypocritical for people to say "NO YOU CANT EMULATE PARTY TIME THICKO" and then say to them "here, here's homers meltdown".

Hmmmmm

[tracey2]

You have some very strong views their Mythicos which is fair enough but don't forget its all abit of fun at the end of the day.

[hurtand165]

Personally I think this layout is a total and complete waste of energy and time.
When all is said and done it will not be an 'emulation' in the true sense of the word.
Firstly you are not emulating Homer's meltdown as that is an epoch machine and cannot be 'emulated' and thus there is'nt alot of point in bothering.
Don't get me wrong, I have downloaded and enjoyed many a machine from this site but what is the point in playing something that 'looks' like Phsycho cash beast when it is'nt PCB?.

PCB is a classic for a reason, it's a awesome machine to play.
Bangin away was a sack of recycled dog poo (you know, someone eats dog poo then poos it out again) - it really was THAT bad.

So how can you tell yourself it is worthwhile doing when it's not going to play or even sound like the real thing?

That would be like taking a ferrari shell and plonking a skoda engine in it.. Who are you trying to fool? yourselves?

All you will do is fool people into thinking that epoch machines can be emulated and ask for them, at which point you will probably do what seems to be the norm and banish them to hell for asking such a question.

Don't you think it's a tad hypocritical for people to say "NO YOU CANT EMULATE PARTY TIME THICKO" and then say to them "here, here's homers meltdown".

Hmmmmm

Layout creation is a hobby for most designers, we do it because we want to.

If we choose to make a hybrid, and we are also kind enough to let everybody else play it, why do you have a problem with that?

It seems obvious but if you don't like it and don't want to play it, JUST DON'T DOWNLOAD IT.

There is no point coming on here and criticising MY pcb layout when you are posting in an unrelated thread.

That pcb hybrid was my second layout, i made it because there was a demand for it to be made as a hybrid, people asked me to and i thought it would be somewhat worthwhile. I did not make it for myself, i actually own a pcb so i didn't make it to be able to play the machine.


As for people thinking epoch is emulatable, thats a load of crap, anybody with a set of eyes and a basic knowledge of this site can easily see that it is not emulatable. How difficult is it to look in the knowledgebase and read the topic about emulatable techs and the other one about can this machine be emulated?

It doesn't take a genius.

Finally, if you don't like the layouts we produce and freely distribute don't download them.

Failing that just make your own f*****g layouts, that way you know you will like them.



Hurtand165

[Bencrest]

does that mean homers bear guide can be emulated if we use roms from another machin , because if it can , Plz some1 do it , its the machine im waitin 4!

I'd say the closest match would be Snakes & Ladders Slides Again by Crystal - JPM, if it is a close match then it is definately possible.

With regards to this Mythicos user above, I have to agree with Hurtand and Tracey on this one. If you don't like them, don't download them.

It will be made clear when layouts like Homers Meltdown are released that they are Hybrids, do not use the official ROMs, and that the original machine can't be emulated but this makes a compromise.

If you don't like it, you know where the door is - you don't have to download or endorse every layout available but don't just come in and offer totally destructive criticism

Lets be honest, most machines are so bland that the only nice thing about them is the Artwork, so why not use artwork from a really good machine with a ROM from a cross-tech clone?

[ross]

the reason im makeing layouts is to past time a bit of a hobby like hurtand said

the bit were you say it dont play like the real thing or sound like the real thing doesnt matter the only thing that matter is enjoying the layout

if you dont like it DONT DOWNLOAD IT simple but dont take the piss or put down other ppl work it is a long proccess makeing a layout so just think about what you say next time

[mocochoco]

i totaly agree with you guys, we make the machines cos WE want to, posting them up here is just a bonus and people who dont make them should find themselfs lucky that that there are alot of people who put hard work and many hours into making these and then uploading for them for thier enjoyment. he sais that its a waste of time but im sure there are alot of people out there who will be eagerly awaiting ross's layout as they like the machine, regardless of whether it uses the same roms you still get a feel for the game, and the artwork will make a difference. and unfortunataly until the roms become available we have to make the best out of what we'v got. all im saying is dont critasize the people making them untill you'v had a go yourself, although im sure if you did have a go then you'd realise that that sort of critisism is unnessecary

its looking nice ross, keep up the good work mate

[fruitymad2003]

Personally I think this layout is a total and complete waste of energy and time.
When all is said and done it will not be an 'emulation' in the true sense of the word.
Firstly you are not emulating Homer's meltdown as that is an epoch machine and cannot be 'emulated' and thus there is'nt alot of point in bothering.
Don't get me wrong, I have downloaded and enjoyed many a machine from this site but what is the point in playing something that 'looks' like Phsycho cash beast when it is'nt PCB?.

PCB is a classic for a reason, it's a awesome machine to play.
Bangin away was a sack of recycled dog poo (you know, someone eats dog poo then poos it out again) - it really was THAT bad.

So how can you tell yourself it is worthwhile doing when it's not going to play or even sound like the real thing?

That would be like taking a ferrari shell and plonking a skoda engine in it.. Who are you trying to fool? yourselves?

All you will do is fool people into thinking that epoch machines can be emulated and ask for them, at which point you will probably do what seems to be the norm and banish them to hell for asking such a question.

Don't you think it's a tad hypocritical for people to say "NO YOU CANT EMULATE PARTY TIME THICKO" and then say to them "here, here's homers meltdown".

Hmmmmm

Like tracey said you have some strong veiws on this.

But to be fair you cannot 1 bit say it is a complete waste of time and effort. No layout is a complete waste of time and effort.

It wont be like the real thing. Ross never said..Heres Homers Meltdown 100%.
Myself and hurtand created a layout PCB HDX . We got lots of stick sayin it wont be like the real thing. A HDX is not really the real thing.
The post if you care to read it is over on poundrun. which has now closed but there is an read only version avalible of the forum.
The post is http://www.fruitemu....p?topic=10799.0 That one.

This post seems to be going the same way. Like hurtand said. Have you ever attempted a layout ? Released it ? When you do. The 'Buzz you will get is a good feeling and you will want to do another.
Ross wants to do a HDX. So what ? Dont like it. Dont play it. Simple as.
In my opion people will always moan when you have such a well loved machine that cannot be emualted 100% at the present time. We have to work with what we have.

Good luck with the layout. Its looking good so far. I would be happy to test this for you.

[mythicos]

I expressed my opinion and that's all tbh.

It's pretty ironic that a couple of the people who replied saying "we make layouts because we want to" have "NO MPU5" and so on in their signatures.

Anyways, to answer some people's opinions here, yes, I probably would make a layout if I wanted it but then I would'nt release it if I did'nt want to either.
As you all remind everyone, you make layouts because you choose to, and then you release them because you choose to. NOONE is forcing you to do anything, you do it because you want to.
The same then can be said for this WIP thread surely? therefore, is'nt it allowed for someone to reply with what he/she wants to without having people all jump down his/her throat over something non related to what he/she was trying to say?
When did I question anyone's abilities to make or release layouts? I did'nt did I?

If you're going to post something for all the world to see and then not like it when someone else points out the blazingly simple then don't bother.

Oh, and to affirm what it is I was saying please refer to "well if homers meltdown is being done why cant beer guide be done"

I rest my case.

[hurtand165]

As you all remind everyone, you make layouts because you choose to, and then you release them because you choose to. NOONE is forcing you to do anything, you do it because you want to.

Yes we do, and you download those layouts, the least you could do is show us some respect rather than having a go at us.

When did I question anyone's abilities to make or release layouts? I did'nt did I?

Who said you did, did i miss that post?


The thing that annoys me more than anything about this is not the fact that you said it was a waste of time, it is the fact that you come here and say it while not giving any thanks for any layout before.

I suspect you have a different username on the other sites, but here, as mythicos, we see nothing to show that you are appreciative. Then you start this bullshit, grow up and just be thankful for the efforts of designers.


Hurtand165

[mocochoco]

I expressed my opinion and that's all tbh.

It's pretty ironic that a couple of the people who replied saying "we make layouts because we want to" have "NO MPU5" and so on in their signatures.

Anyways, to answer some people's opinions here, yes, I probably would make a layout if I wanted it but then I would'nt release it if I did'nt want to either.
As you all remind everyone, you make layouts because you choose to, and then you release them because you choose to. NOONE is forcing you to do anything, you do it because you want to.
The same then can be said for this WIP thread surely? therefore, is'nt it allowed for someone to reply with what he/she wants to without having people all jump down his/her throat over something non related to what he/she was trying to say?
When did I question anyone's abilities to make or release layouts? I did'nt did I?

If you're going to post something for all the world to see and then not like it when someone else points out the blazingly simple then don't bother.

Oh, and to affirm what it is I was saying please refer to "well if homers meltdown is being done why cant beer guide be done"

I rest my case.

the reason iv got no mpu5 in my sig is to try and promote the fact that you cant get mpu5 on here, or at all, maybe that would stop people asking for it. Someone making a layout of an unemulatable is great, its giving us the opportunity to have a taster of what might come (someday).
and yes we do release layouts because we want to but not expecting people to to question why we'r doing it, and in this case its fair him releasing it if he wants because there WILL be alot of people who want to play this hybrid for fun knowing its not using the real roms and it shouldnt cause too many problems. there will ALWAYS be people asking for unemulatable roms!!

[mythicos]

Firstly to Hurtand.

No, I *don't* download them.
If I want a machine doing I do it myself, as you probably know the enjoyment of making your own layouts is FAR superior to that of just downloading someone else's and playing that.

So now that that's covered and out of the way I will AGAIN say what I was trying to say, and hopefully this time you guys will be able to understand it without getting all upset and telling me things like "If you don't like it don't download it" because that is equally as ignorant as me saying "I dont download it so don't release it".

Of course, I am not going to resort to saying either as I'm not that silly, or selfish.

NOWHERE did I knock ANYONE'S talent, kind heartedness or ability to make layouts, nowhere.
From the moment after I posted I am being reminded that I download them, if you don't like them don't download them and so on.

WHAT I was trying to put accross and sadly was sorely missed is the point that the whole aura of this site seems sensible and the whole lot of you seem sick to the back teeth of people requesting machines that can't be done.
Therefore, if you refrained from making 'hybrid' or whatever you want to call them (fake does the same job I feel) layouts then DO NOT go jumping on people such as myself or anyone else for asking for new machines.
If you did not encourage people to ask for them by making 'hybrid' layouts then you wouldnt have to deal with it, capice?

As for 'my' opinion over 'hybrid' layouts? it STILL stands.
Bangin away is crap, you can only polish a turd so much.. I havent *seen* this fabled PCB layout as I already played BA thankyou, and it was already crap, so seeing it wrapped up as PCB would have only tainted my HAPPY and AWESOME memories of playing PCB which was a KILLER fruit machine.

If you truly believe that fruit machines consist of nice graphics only then I feel sorry for you as you must have lost thousands of pounds over the years.
Personally, as with videogames, graphics do not matter one iota it is the GAMEPLAY that means more than anything, nice graphics are merely a bonus.
And thus with that said you may now (hopefully) be able to see where I am coming from.
Mutton dressed as beautiful roasted lamb with mint sauce and all the trimmings is STILL MUTTON.

[mythicos]

the reason iv got no mpu5 in my sig is to try and promote the fact that you cant get mpu5 on here, or at all, maybe that would stop people asking for it.

Maybe it would, right up until someone puts up a WIP thread for a hybrid DX (99% of forum users wont understand this phrase) and then you're right back to square one with aload of red confused faces and members being chastised.

Do you see?

[hurtand165]

No, I *don't* download them.
If I want a machine doing I do it myself

Ok so you don't download them...... oh wait.... didn't you say this in your first post?

Don't get me wrong, I have downloaded and enjoyed many a machine from this site

Get your story straight.


Hurtand165

[ross]

lol good one hurtand LOL

[mocochoco]

No, I *don't* download them.
If I want a machine doing I do it myself

Ok so you don't download them...... oh wait.... didn't you say this in your first post?

Don't get me wrong, I have downloaded and enjoyed many a machine from this site

Get your story straight.


Hurtand165

LOL

[mythicos]

I stand corrected.

I did say that, mainly because I did'nt want to appear rude I would imagine.

However, dragging me away from the point in question and what I posted about is'nt really what matters here.

From the moment I posted I am being hit with "oor if you don't like them don't download them" "oor I make and release layouts, why aint you saying thanks (sniff)" look, if it's thanks you're after.

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OK, now what difference will that make to your day? not alot I would imagine, but anyways, I am 100% serious in what I say, thanks alot for your hard work because it's what is needed to keep the scene going (And I do understand emulation scenes perfectly).

However, what *is'nt* needed is members being chastised and having posts locked and closed and then the very next day a layout designer coming along and saying "look, here's what looks like one of them new machines that are unemulatable being emulated, go on, take it but don't worry about the fact it makes me and everything I supposedly stand for look very stupid".

I knew only too well that voicing my opinion would probably lead to an onslaught of crap from the heirachy, mainly because in 99.9999% of emulation scenes it is always the same.
You say what's on your mind and immediately you unwantingly offend everyone that contributes.

As for me not posting before etc, well I took great time and effort to explain to another user that Atronic cannot be emulated and why, and why it would be very difficult.
I did'nt say "that cant be emulated SO DONT ASK M8" and lock a thread did I?

Have you ever stopped to think why alot of people dont post?

You can drag this in whatever direction you like, attack me from any angle you wish to about it.
I never once said I was ungrateful (though Ive been accused of it) tell me, how is it ungrateful to voice my opinion over something I dont want?
Should I download it and then voice my opinion? no, because then that WOULD be ungrateful.

It is not possible to be ungrateful for not wanting something you dont want, it might be a little pokey to say out loud I dont want it and why but surely Im entitled to an opinion without being told Im ungrateful and dont say thanks?

Youll know when Ive downloaded one, because unlike most emulation members I will say thanks.

[fruitymad2003]

However, what *is'nt* needed is members being chastised and having posts locked and closed and then the very next day a layout designer coming along and saying "look, here's what looks like one of them new machines that are unemulatable being emulated, go on, take it but don't worry about the fact it makes me and everything I supposedly stand for look very stupid".

So what you are saying is... Dont release Hybird Dx's ?

[mythicos]

And thus my point still stands.

I dont think a machine should be emulated unless it can be truly 'emulated'.

This isnt fruit-sims.com or fruit-hybridemus.com is it?

It's fruit-emu.com which is perfectly nice.

Just because I understand emulation in it's correct term does not make me ungrateful or anything else.

In future when someone voices an opinion on a subject they care about try not to say "dont download it then" because that's stuff from 2 years ago.
Instead try to see what the person is saying without taking offence (because there was'nt any meant) and see what it is they are getting at without flying off the handle and hitting back with nonsenical posts about thankyous and downloads.

Thankyou !

[mythicos]

However, what *is'nt* needed is members being chastised and having posts locked and closed and then the very next day a layout designer coming along and saying "look, here's what looks like one of them new machines that are unemulatable being emulated, go on, take it but don't worry about the fact it makes me and everything I supposedly stand for look very stupid".

So what you are saying is... Dont release Hybird Dx's ?

Well thank crikey, now we are getting somewhere !
NO ! I am not saying DONT do anything or DO do anything either.
All I am doing is voicing my opinion over Hybrid DXs.
See? Im really rather nice and calm and innofensive.

You're nice guys, you run a nice clean well intentioned site and I praise you for that.
However, being a quiet (well, normally) member I am finding it increasingly irritating to watch this place get very 'dictator -ey'.
Over the past few months I have noticed layout designers saying (oh and the admins) NO PARTYTIME HERE, DONT ASK ETC, yet someone then comes along and says "hey, I did a partytime HDSDX".

If you cant see the sillyness in this I am worried, yet as decent chaps you can surely now see a part of one of the points I made.
If these machines cannot be 'emulated' - in the purest sense of the word then IN MY OPINION they shouldnt be 'done' (I wont say emulated because they are truly being 'emulated' per se).

What you very clever guys and gals need to clock onto is that 99% of the members here neither do not know how to make a layout, or HOW it is made.
All they see is the end 'machine' and then go off to download and play it.
And thus, when you offer them a homers meltdown layout that then eggs them on to ask about other 'unemulatable' machines that you then tell them they cant have (and sit back and watch as a select few members take the piss out of them).

Thats just a part of it, please try not to make this emulation forum the same as all the others.