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[jackpotjon05]

Been hearing a lot of stories regarding online games and how good/bad they are and wandering if anyone could shed some light on the REAL truth behind these games and how they work, and are they just as bad or worse than FOBT'S?

Had a real up and down time with them lately and found myself 100's up a few weeks ago, but then 100's down on another day.

They say they are random, but how do they work exactly?

I'd imagine if you are playing a machine in an arcade, it's technically 1 machine and 1 percentage vs you and no-one else and eventually you WILL get a return in time.

But how does this work when 1000's of people are playing on same game as you all around the UK?

It's a bit like playing a 4 player community I suppose, anyone can get it, take your winnings but multiplied by 1000's of players.

Does this mean you could lose hundreds and still never guarantee a payout?

Seems like scary stuff, so thought I would ask the question, as I do enjoy it but it does seem very scary when you think about it, so thinking of giving it a miss forever from now on.................

Are they ok or stay well clear?

 

 

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[vectra666]

I tried asking the same questions on a online site but they wouldn't give me a straight answer. I feel you're only playing against yourself so for instance if you win a grand on say leovegas it'll take most if not all back before a modest payout happens again. So your account acts like a fruit machine with a apparent 95% payout.

[fruitman69]

Believe it or not, some are totally RNG based, and there are a few that are compensated, by the time you worked out which its probably too late. There is some truth to whats been said above, and a lot of games do give you a win the first time you play them.

 

Generally though, whatever you do your never going to win long term so why try to in the first place??

 

So my advise would be to stay well clear of all slots for real money either online or off.

 

If you must have a play just stick to ones that clearly state in the rules that each and every game is independent as you will see that don't all say that, and just don't chase losses.

[russ8s]

Most games you can play for free

[gemini17]

 

Been hearing a lot of stories regarding online games and how good/bad they are and wandering if anyone could shed some light on the REAL truth behind these games and how they work, and are they just as bad or worse than FOBT'S?

Had a real up and down time with them lately and found myself 100's up a few weeks ago, but then 100's down on another day.

They say they are random, but how do they work exactly?

I'd imagine if you are playing a machine in an arcade, it's technically 1 machine and 1 percentage vs you and no-one else and eventually you WILL get a return in time.

But how does this work when 1000's of people are playing on same game as you all around the UK?

It's a bit like playing a 4 player community I suppose, anyone can get it, take your winnings but multiplied by 1000's of players.

Does this mean you could lose hundreds and still never guarantee a payout?

Seems like scary stuff, so thought I would ask the question, as I do enjoy it but it does seem very scary when you think about it, so thinking of giving it a miss forever from now on.................

Are they ok or stay well clear?

 

 

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Hi Jon

 

Most online casinos work on a random number generator system as stated by fruitman.

Most pay a percentage above 94% but like all slots this is achieved over many thousands of spins.!!

I have been quite lucky on some sites and but have also(like many) lost too.

I tend to join a site,benefit from it's opening offers and then shop around again lol.

It's like any gambling,spending money you can afford to gambol without going over that amount.

Many sites have limits you can set upon joining-they can be daily,weekly or monthly set.

 

I was hooked to slots over 20 years ago and lost 50k+ but now I'm much more controlled with gambling-I hardly ever gambol in arcades(other than when im on holiday)-and I limit myself to a set amount online. But again only if they have something to offer me.

You have to shop around and check out the many offers they have online-if a site gives me more than a chance to win back my money then il have a punt,if not then il give them a wide birth.

That said like Ross has mentioned you can play the majority of games online for free-which I get as much enjoyment out of,if not more.

 

Jay

Edited by gemini17, 03 January 2016 - 10:53 PM.

[vectra666]

Problem with the opening offers as in free spins usually x50 wagering minimum then you've the deposit bonuses around x35 wagering, OK if you want a bit of fun but I tend to avoid them in case I hit big straight off. I perfect bingo sites as wagering a lot less

[gemini17]

Problem with the opening offers as in free spins usually x50 wagering minimum then you've the deposit bonuses around x35 wagering, OK if you want a bit of fun but I tend to avoid them in case I hit big straight off. I perfect bingo sites as wagering a lot less

Thats what I mean by shopping around with gaming sites.

Wagering happens across the board,even some of the bingo sites now upping the wagers.

But not all sites have huge wagers and not all free spins carry them either,

There are some casinos where u can still cash out and forfeit bonus's etc-but again you have to read up on there t&cs.

Been with too many sites too long now lol-but know what you mean mate with 50x wager etc-some I won't entertain period!

And some now have the bonus+deposit at 50x so with £20 deposited and £20 bonus you gota wager £2000!!!!,before cash out-and they also limit you with the stake you can bet -talk about odds stacked against the player

 

Jay

[letmein]

There's a famous line from a 1980's film..

"The only way to win is not to play".

I've lost many thousands through the late 70's-80's, however in the past 18 months I've only gambled a total of £5, how?,

easy, just play the EMU's for at least 4 hours a day and you'll soon realise the amount of  "virtual" money the machines take and how little they actually pay out over given time.

 

Get your fix on the EMU's, keep your cash for what really matters.

 

 

M. 

[vectra666]

Or buy your own machine, far cheaper in the long run and it'll show you how shit machines are today I mean my reflex had a £140 run then it took another £300 of plays to give the next £140 at least it didn't cost me a penny to find that out.

[gemini17]

There's a famous line from a 1980's film..

"The only way to win is not to play".

I've lost many thousands through the late 70's-80's, however in the past 18 months I've only gambled a total of £5, how?,

easy, just play the EMU's for at least 4 hours a day and you'll soon realise the amount of  "virtual" money the machines take and how little they actually pay out over given time.

 

Get your fix on the EMU's, keep your cash for what really matters.

 

 

M. 

More than agree

 

That said it is all bout control-which I know is easier said than done,especially coming from a former addict,as I was!

If you can set a limit and stick to it then happy days-if you can't and know you can't then stay away!!

I may have a punt now and again online but have never had a mad moment since my addiction days over 20years previous.

But with all ive said above, I do think gambling is thrown in r faces in more ways than one and around the clock we live within

I also have other concerns too-

We are still(to my knowledge),the only country in the world that allows minors to gambol.

Children can gambol in a number of establishments which have gaming machines of all varieties eg, £5 jackpot machines,2p.10p pushers and quiz machines to name just a few.

This is where problems with gambling begin and im sure most members on here started at a young age.

I don't believe any child should gambol and we give them the complete wrong message with gambling. And even if there are only a small percentage of children that become addicted through gambling,1 is too many.

Gambling should be aimed at an adult audience period and I would even change scratch cards to over 18 as opposed to 16 as it is now.

And there are a huge number of adults who have more than a problem with gambling,and there is little/no help out there for them.

Governments at home and abroad still do not see the huge problem gambling is-as they take so much money from it.

 

Gambling should be fun but sadly all too often it becomes a life threatening infection.

 

Jay

[vectra666]

I totally agree Gemini I started major gambling when I was around 12-14 hanging around chipshops, kebab shops etc even had a games come arcade at top of town (silver rooms) had a pool table etc although never frequented that place much but it was always filled with under age gamblers playing on £8-£15 jp machines. I'm ashamed to say throughout my gambling life of nearly 30yrs I'd say I've blown around £100,000+ in the devils slot and done various ways to get my "fix"

As said in previous topics on this subject, they got rid of fruit machines in chippies etc but scratch cards they're everywhere even on the tills (wilkinsons for instance) you aren,t supposed to gamble past a £5 jp machine under 18 yet you can gamble a quid to win a million at 16. You won't stop gambling for children as its everywhere even the grabby machines and ticket machines are gambling. i.e you put 20p in a grabby with the chance to win a jackpot "teddy". school fete's are also gambling related. tombola's numbers ending in a "5" or "0" splat the rat if you hit it you win a cash prize

 

Fobt's are the worse offenders £100 a bleeding spin suppose its the same with online gambling though that's upto £500 a spin lol.

Back to online gambling I think there's also to much advertising glamourising gambling mainly aiming at women in soap programmes and the amount of bookie adverts in sport programmes.  

[gemini17]

I totally agree Gemini I started major gambling when I was around 12-14 hanging around chipshops, kebab shops etc even had a games come arcade at top of town (silver rooms) had a pool table etc although never frequented that place much but it was always filled with under age gamblers playing on £8-£15 jp machines. I'm ashamed to say throughout my gambling life of nearly 30yrs I'd say I've blown around £100,000+ in the devils slot and done various ways to get my "fix"

As said in previous topics on this subject, they got rid of fruit machines in chippies etc but scratch cards they're everywhere even on the tills (wilkinsons for instance) you aren,t supposed to gamble past a £5 jp machine under 18 yet you can gamble a quid to win a million at 16. You won't stop gambling for children as its everywhere even the grabby machines and ticket machines are gambling. i.e you put 20p in a grabby with the chance to win a jackpot "teddy". school fete's are also gambling related. tombola's numbers ending in a "5" or "0" splat the rat if you hit it you win a cash prize

 

Fobt's are the worse offenders £100 a bleeding spin suppose its the same with online gambling though that's upto £500 a spin lol.

Back to online gambling I think there's also to much advertising glamourising gambling mainly aiming at women in soap programmes and the amount of bookie adverts in sport programmes.  

Totally agree mate.

It is all elaborated/advertised in ways that attracts us to part with our money

Children can be prevented and stopped from gambling by peer pressure from the public and laws in the country changing.

Yet the true preachers have to be those around them who are there to educate them and keep them safe from the many forms of gambling.

Alas the true devil is the internet which most children have in many forms at there finger tips-and advertising of gaming sites influences adult audiences as well as younger viewers.-as does the the tv,which as you mention is littered with gaming adverts.

On the topic of scratch cards-my partners brother has had a problem with them since there launch!-he regularly purchases them £100-£200 at a time,yet swears he does not have a problem.

Sadly as you express over the high stakes anyone can bet,this is the sad time we live within where limits r limitless!!-where restrictions are left to us to control and decide upon and not those around us,who in affect are unable to restrain customers-despite many establishments highlighting on posters for us to keep in control and set our own limits!!!

And likewise with scratch cards,who in a shop will turn you away and say you can't purchase (x) amount of cards??-would be the assistant saying goodbye to there job.

 

Jay

[jackpotjon05]

Just another thing I thought of yesterday........

 

They say if you hit a 'progressive' win on the Marvel games for example, that it's purely down to luck of hitting the button at the precise moment at the right time.

 

Apparently there are hundreds of a millisecond difference between when you hit it and someone else getting it, or you?

 

Now can anyone answer this..............

 

If that is the case and the game I was playing a few nights ago was running slow because of either my internet speed or their server and had to wait 5-10 seconds (which is what happened by the way) inbetween spins, would that therefore affect your chances against other players of hitting a 'progressive' or no?

 

You could tell that not many were ''on'' that night as the progressive on a Saturday/Friday night was to say ''very quick'' and yet the night I played it was very slow indeed, which told me that not many could have been playing.

 

It was quite interesting actually, as the features and wins were brilliant to start, as the progressive was fast, but as the night got very late and yet everything slowed down, including wins and features, so did the progressive????

 

They say apparently it doesn't matter what time in the 24 hour clock you play, it will still pay out, but I am starting to believe this is total nonsense.

 

Lets say it's 9pm on a Friday night, 2000 people are playing at £2 per spin......... That's £4000 EVERY PUSH EVERY 2-3 SECONDS.

 

Of course this machine is now going to pay well.

 

Now it's Sunday night, everyone else is going back to get ready for work and go to bed, it's now 1.30am for example.

 

There are only a few people online now, less money being put into the so called ''pot'' if you like, so therefore less wins can be generated.

 

Any truth in this guys?

 

What do you think, also in regards to server/internet speeds?

Edited by jackpotjon05, 05 January 2016 - 03:07 PM.

[vectra666]

They know exactly what you're going to win when you press the start button. It's pretty determed if you like. I remember playing online bingo once and the winner was called by the CH person even before the actual game started so once you've purchased your tickets/spin they know already what you've won before the reels stop spinning. As regards to play time i suppose the quieter it is the more chance you'll have at winning a progggy some ppj's have a maximum so will payout when reached so those are the ones to look out for. As for ppj's if you're a lower stake like me you've got little chance even oldie jackpot party hardly went off on lower stakes.
In the end unless you actually work inside the online companies we'll never know!

[fruitman69]

Hi Jackpotjon,

 

 

Unless your the one that coded the system theres no real way to tell just exactly how its works, however my understanding of those sort of games is that  when you click spin it picks a random number from the server and if that's the lucky number your going to trigger the progressive win.

 

so it could be something like  1 in 500,000  for 25p, stake  and  1 in 62,500  for when your on £2 stake  ( I expect its in reality much higher )  but you get the drift.

 

So a slower internet wont make any difference as such as its only when you press the button that the RNG picks.

 

 

But like I said unless you know exactly how it works internally your never gonna know and they are not likely to ever tell you how or the criteria of it triggering.

 

PS I have sent you something to your PM you might find interesting.

 

Regards,

Edited by fruitman69, 05 January 2016 - 04:25 PM.