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[RB]

Nurse pass me the Vasoline.........

Hang around there are a few of my shit layouts soon to arrive.....

[mythicos]

If I agree with you one more time today Alth Ill explode

Sorry, but I have to admit that this place has become very l33t lately.

Not only do you have the band of regulars pouncing all over the newbies but Im beginning to notice new layout designers being slated off for being inexpierienced.

Funny how people here have always taken the piss out of FF for being cliquey and l33t yet love a step up to the soapbox.

[ady]

Some good and bad points here..........


As I said I think this is fairly good...especially as this is from a guy who has only been releasing for a very short time. Moco has asked me several things in the past, I have tried helping and I found he listens puts it into practice and comes back and say's if it was successful or not, so this emits the 'throw-together' idea.

We have said a million times that 'X' is slating off 'Y'........I honestly don't think its like that, people are entitled to comment and 99 times from a 100 these points help the creator no end.

I dissagree with the idea that the forums are basically getting 'out-of-order' to the new members, crikes I get slated every other day too...a bit of fun in my eye's....Before it's said i'm blowing my trumpet i'm not but take the last few day's, via MSN PM's and emails I think I must have spent at least 6 hours 1-2-1 with 3 different new people helping with prob's, If they made a post and I could add a constructive reply then I would---take the past 2 points and hows that getting to someone??

Hopefully Moco you won't be put off by this thread....I mean it must have had an impact or this wouldn't get peoples attention!....I know this isn't about you-it has just slightly gone off topic but to prove a point I have posted your Four releases below....I challenge anybody to download them in that order and then say your not learning from point's posted.

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[mythicos]

Ad, Im not having a go at you personally, I hope its not seen that way...

This place is becoming more and more like FF was by the day, and when i say "was" I mean that in the worst possible way.

I understand your points and realise they were from a constructive viewpoint, but unfortunately handing out criticism to a layout designer is never truly constructive and ends up destructive.

As joshua says at the end of war games.

"good evening professor falken, the best way to win the game is not to play"

I think thats apt for a layout you dont like the look of

[ady]

Ad, Im not having a go at you personally, I hope its not seen that way...

lol mythicos, no I know that especially as I support Moco as you will see in my comments at the start of the thread.

Your quote to "the point is" sum's it up really.

[pash]

right well at the risk of expanding this shit storm heres my 2ps worth

hurtand what you said was true BUT the way you put it across was a little harsh considering mocho`s experience and it is easily interpreted as a blantant slagging rather than constructive criticism which i believe it is.

This machine is always gonna get high praise as it is a newer machine which are always appreciated more by our newer members.

Mocho a good layout you have come a long way in a short time take the comments the way they were meant, i know what its like releasing then realising your forgot to do something then every bugger picks up on it keep going and you will get even better well done.

[duplu]

I understand your points and realise they were from a constructive viewpoint, but unfortunately handing out criticism to a layout designer is never truly constructive and ends up destructive.

As I always say, there is no such thing as constructive criticism, there is only 'praise' or 'criticism'.

Personally I thought the layout was fine.

[Pgamblin]

RB pass me my chewing teeth pls.

this release (allthough may have a few minor problems) is a big leap for the guy and constructive critism is often helpfull if sometimes feels like a bollocking. I personally love the emulation and as i havent played the original i dont know what to expect. i also have the same error with pound coins but thats because i altered the payout percentange and whacked the speed up to nearly 2 million to force it.

There is no l33t designer as they all start at the same level and learn how to do it. Some people (hurthand , dad etc) have been doing it for a while and every layout is something good for our memebers as its another machine to savor and play. People who are just starting to make layouts wil find it fairly difficult first time round and maybe even the 10th machine will have a few bugs but the point is they tried and made something available for you to play.

I am not taking any sides with this one as i know the quality of Hurthands layouts and can only hope that everyone one day will be as good as these guys but in the mean time we have new people creating the layouts who need your support and guidence.

Hurthand was kind to offer some critism so mochoo's next layout will be without these minor bugs and will then be releasing layouts as good as the others.

As for the whole Lately some of the old members have been picking on the new ones i dont have a clue what you mean .................... we've been doing it for years not just lately

[hurtand165]

Hurthand was kind to offer some critism so mochoo's next layout will be without these minor bugs and will then be releasing layouts as good as the others.

Thats what i was going for, i was not trying to attack the guy at all, just show him that it was not as perfect as everybody said.

If nobody had the balls to point out those problems to him he would just carry on knocking out layouts of the same quality without learning and without improving.

Maybe my comments were abit heavy handed, i actually thought they were quite reasonable, they were just read in a way i never intended.


Hurtand165 (notice no H in the middle pg.. haha)

[mocochoco]

right......first off id just like to say that no matter what some people think, i really did try hard on this layout and all the advice iv been given in the past i have learnt from. saying that.. there are bound to be faults in it, and they do need to be said. i just think that there are better ways of putting it rather than making it out as a bit of an attack.

also you'v got to remember that it not like we get paid to do the layouts, we do them because we want to and enjoy it. personaly i think critasism in that way could scare off some people from continuing to release layouts from fear of being blasted. i dont feel like that though and will take in what hurtand had to say as there were valid points in what he was saying.

i just feel that in the short time i have been in the scene that i have learnt that there are some people who are here to give other people a hard time (not getting at hurtand, just a general opinion) and this just doesnt seem logical to me.
a thread like this just shouldnt happen i dont think, its ticked me off a bit to be honest.
its not like iv gone around making out that i am a great layout designer....far from that. iv just done the best i could, and hopefuly the mistakes iv learnt from this one wont be in the next.

so thanks hurtand for pointing it out, and i hope that wasnt an attack but rather helping me out the only way you knew how!

[Pgamblin]

Hurtand165 (notice no H in the middle pg.. haha)

And all these years u thought you literally had a band hand.

Thanks Urthand165 teehee...

[hurtand165]

For crying out loud people, read my first post, i was just pointing out a few areas that could be improved upon, i was not really attacking the guy.

And just so you all know, he has made more than 4 layouts.


Hurtand165

[hurtand165]

Ok then dad so you read it, but you obviously didn't understand the way it was written.

It was NOT intended as an attack, it was just meant to show that the layout was far from perfect and to hopefully give him some idea where he could improve next time.

True, i may of been a bit heavy handed but as i said, i was not trying to offend the guy.


Anyway, i will not be offering anymore advice to new designers, as far as i am concerned they can work it out for themselves.


Hurtand165

[mocochoco]

Anyway, i will not be offering anymore advice to new designers, as far as i am concerned they can work it out for themselves.

Did i download the wrong layout?

It is ok but i would not say it was brilliant, you all seem to be looking past the obvious flaws, here is a small list.


The nudge lamps look like they are only lit in the centre.

On alot of the lamps the edges daken when they are lit, that just shows that the layout has been rushed and not lamped properly.

The reels look streched and still have the border.

The 7 seg displays are too skinny.

The £1.20 lamp is jumpy.


I could go on but i really can't be bothere.


Hurtand165

forgive me if im wrong hurtand, but i fail to see the avdive in this post anyway!! just critasism! so would you be so kind to show me where it was in the first place?

[hurtand165]

forgive me if im wrong hurtand, but i fail to see the avdive in this post anyway!! just critasism! so would you be so kind to show me where it was in the first place?

The nudge lamps look like they are only lit in the centre.

On alot of the lamps the edges daken when they are lit

The reels look streched and still have the border.

The 7 seg displays are too skinny.

The £1.20 lamp is jumpy.

They were all things you needed to work on, if just drew your attention to them as you obviously hadn't seen them before release.


Hurtand165

[hurtand165]

No need to spit your dummy out. I'm sure many new designers would welcome your help as an experienced layout designer. You need to lead by example.

I have not spat my dummy out, i will still be here offering help and advice on how to use the emulators, i will still be trying to write articles for the knowledge base, if another guide ever needs to be wrtten i will more than likely have a crack at that (i have written 4 now).

What i will not be doing is publically offering help and advice when it comes to designing a layout, if they want to see how i make my layouts they can go to my site and read the illustrated guides.


Hurtand165

[ady]

Possible to put this to bed guy's?.....Few points of view from all angles.


Good or bad no real harm done is there......


Looking foward to my next release now.....gulp