144 replies to this topic

[Bungle]

Ya i understand there,but is that not per day? But again we cant just simply have a hit and run thing going on or it will end up with a possible VIP area where creators will upload there work and unless you donate no access or no layout been made at all. We really dont want to go down that route.

ahhh you mean a closed scene,sorry but i'll have to agree to disagree,its meant to be about sharing the very thing we love with others not hiding away in the shadows being greedy,in that case what would be the point?

[shaun2097]

Don't try to be to clever shaun,don't insinuate im a dummy just because i didnt know there was a guide available,what about the rest of the stuff i wrote,no comment or should i write a dummies guide for full replies to all issues in a post? lol

 

lol

[evo1]

ahhh you mean a closed scene,sorry but i'll have to agree to disagree,its meant to be about sharing the very thing we love with others not hiding away in the shadows being greedy,in that case what would be the point?

No that was just my thoughts TBH ,me been over the top but wouldnt like to see it like that. Need more members to get involved that all.

Edited by evo1, 05 October 2018 - 08:54 PM.

[Bungle]

No that was just my thoughts TBH ,me been over the top but wouldnt like to see it like that. Need more members to get involved tHey

yeah pretty sad really,sharing has gone outta the window and become a money venture in many areas,except of course for Wizard who has shared all his hard work of coding to make it all possible,shame everyone else didnt have the same attitude,then it would thrive,but supression as far as i can see is high on the fruity agenda

[stevedude2]

Nice idea from Fruitnutter there but it needed thinking through a bit more.  Cannot ever fault the enthusiasm though.  A lot of members contribute nothing at all so credit for trying to offer something useful to people

 

I still think the FME scene needs a nice big database as a handy reference-point where people can go and look up a game and find out info on it, pictures, whether a layout has been done and who by, and what site(s) it is hosted at and what version of MFME it runs on.  There could be other stuff like saved RAM files and so on added as well.

 

For a lot of people it's just really cumbersome now trawling through loads of sites trying to find something.  I remember Ross was doing FMEdb but it ground to a halt unfortunately.  We need something like this and people need to get behind it and populate it.  People will still have to come here or elsewhere to download in the end anyway.  No layouts or ROMs would be hosted, just information.

 

That is what the scene needs right now, information all in one place.

Edited by stevedude2, 05 October 2018 - 10:36 PM.

[ross]

Nice idea from Fruitnutter there but it needed thinking through a bit more.  Cannot ever fault the enthusiasm though.  A lot of members contribute nothing at all so credit for trying to offer something useful to people

 

I still think the FME scene needs a nice big database as a handy reference-point where people can go and look up a game and find out info on it, pictures, whether a layout has been done and who by, and what site(s) it is hosted at and what version of MFME it runs on.  There could be other stuff like saved RAM files and so on added as well.

 

For a lot of people it's just really cumbersome now trawling through loads of sites trying to find something.  I remember Ross was doing FMEdb but it ground to a halt unfortunately.  We need something like this and people need to get behind it and populate it.  People will still have to come here or elsewhere to download in the end anyway.  No layouts or ROMs would be hosted, just information.

 

That is what the scene needs right now, information all in one place.

its something im still developing but with the size of the project it was never going to be done quick. who knows, might be back in the future if it gets to point where its useful.

[Bungle]

Nice idea from Fruitnutter there but it needed thinking through a bit more.  Cannot ever fault the enthusiasm though.  A lot of members contribute nothing at all so credit for trying to offer something useful to people

 

I still think the FME scene needs a nice big database as a handy reference-point where people can go and look up a game and find out info on it, pictures, whether a layout has been done and who by, and what site(s) it is hosted at and what version of MFME it runs on.  There could be other stuff like saved RAM files and so on added as well.

 

For a lot of people it's just really cumbersome now trawling through loads of sites trying to find something.  I remember Ross was doing FMEdb but it ground to a halt unfortunately.  We need something like this and people need to get behind it and populate it.  People will still have to come here or elsewhere to download in the end anyway.  No layouts or ROMs would be hosted, just information.

 

That is what the scene needs right now, information all in o

 

Nice idea from Fruitnutter there but it needed thinking through a bit more.  Cannot ever fault the enthusiasm though.  A lot of members contribute nothing at all so credit for trying to offer something useful to people

 

I still think the FME scene needs a nice big database as a handy reference-point where people can go and look up a game and find out info on it, pictures, whether a layout has been done and who by, and what site(s) it is hosted at and what version of MFME it runs on.  There could be other stuff like saved RAM files and so on added as well.

 

For a lot of people it's just really cumbersome now trawling through loads of sites trying to find something.  I remember Ross was doing FMEdb but it ground to a halt unfortunately.  We need something like this and people need to get behind it and populate it.  People will still have to come here or elsewhere to download in the end anyway.  No layouts or ROMs would be hosted, just information.

 

That is what the scene needs right now, information all in one place.

well said stevedude2 couldnt agree more

and ross good luck with your project look forward to seeing the end result and i know these things can take an age

good on ya

Edited by Bungle, 05 October 2018 - 11:08 PM.

[unclechicken]

Change it to 2/3 download per day, and when you click on download, make a box appear saying where you could download the files from if you donated (so you have to click OK), eg this site and the other sites where the layouts are hosted.

 

That might make it more fair for the hosting sites.

[Mavroz]

It was a rushed uncommunicated project that has become derailed. The idea of circumventing the emulation sites for downloads was the first failure.

Not sure why someone made them comment, where the "greed" is shining through? This again makes no sense. It is for the love of the scene that people host these sites where hopefully others can come, download a game, play it and leave feedback for the creator. If they wish to stick around the scene and help it grow, a small donation is made to unlock member privileges that allows more frequent downloading of machines. These donations pay for the hosting and upkeep of the sites.
There is no greed, no money making, no profit. No one is held to ransom.

Nothing will be gained from software that enables anyone to take from these sites without such as a hello, thank you or goodbye. How will this keep the scene moving forward?

This software could bring "greedy" people out of the woodwork as it would enable them to mass download, place onto other media and possibly advertise for sale on auction sites..... profiteering from others work.

Maybe something can be incorporated into the sites security to stop software such as this enabling mass downloads etc without joining .

If the hosting sites and forums are not around, the scene dies or ends up going (back) underground which will be no benefit to anyone just taking their first steps into FME.

[Bungle]

It was a rushed uncommunicated project that has become derailed. The idea of circumventing the emulation sites for downloads was the first failure.

Not sure why someone made them comment, where the "greed" is shining through? This again makes no sense. It is for the love of the scene that people host these sites where hopefully others can come, download a game, play it and leave feedback for the creator. If they wish to stick around the scene and help it grow, a small donation is made to unlock member privileges that allows more frequent downloading of machines. These donations pay for the hosting and upkeep of the sites.
There is no greed, no money making, no profit. No one is held to ransom.

Nothing will be gained from software that enables anyone to take from these sites without such as a hello, thank you or goodbye. How will this keep the scene moving forward?

This software could bring "greedy" people out of the woodwork as it would enable them to mass download, place onto other media and possibly advertise for sale on auction sites..... profiteering from others work.

Maybe something can be incorporated into the sites security to stop software such as this enabling mass downloads etc without joining .

If the hosting sites and forums are not around, the scene dies or ends up going (back) underground which will be no benefit to anyone just taking their first steps into FME.

 

It was a rushed uncommunicated project that has become derailed. The idea of circumventing the emulation sites for downloads was the first failure.

Not sure why someone made them comment, where the "greed" is shining through? This again makes no sense. It is for the love of the scene that people host these sites where hopefully others can come, download a game, play it and leave feedback for the creator. If they wish to stick around the scene and help it grow, a small donation is made to unlock member privileges that allows more frequent downloading of machines. These donations pay for the hosting and upkeep of the sites.
There is no greed, no money making, no profit. No one is held to ransom.

Nothing will be gained from software that enables anyone to take from these sites without such as a hello, thank you or goodbye. How will this keep the scene moving forward?

This software could bring "greedy" people out of the woodwork as it would enable them to mass download, place onto other media and possibly advertise for sale on auction sites..... profiteering from others work.

Maybe something can be incorporated into the sites security to stop software such as this enabling mass downloads etc without joining .

If the hosting sites and forums are not around, the scene dies or ends up going (back) underground which will be no benefit to anyone just taking their first steps into FME.

Sorry mavroz,I can understand charging to join a site to help with its upkeep, and I think if people have the means, a couple of quid a month is no biggie,But I personally do feel the scene is, and has become greedy and i will stick to that,its always been the same since the days of Maroneys hovel in one way or another,although then no charges were ever made or implied to the general public to play the games on their computer via fruit.exe,mfme or whatever,but the emultors tools were hidden and only given to the select clique,we are all lucky it did not stay like that,if anyone should be making money from this its the fruit machine companies and WIZARD for his astounding emulator,he could probaly live very comfortably of the back it.I wonder how many millions of copies of mfme are floating about?Even at a pound a pop thats a lot of money.

 

Let me tell you, I left the scene many years ago after i paid for a set of reelbands for a certain machine,One of the high ranking members on fruit forums pm'd me about borrowing the reelbands to scan,and I out of the goodness of my heart sent them to him and they were never returned now that pissed me off,SEE THE GREED THERE?,I come back to check the scene and notice charges were being made,donations etc etc.To me that says its about money! No Question!

P2P nowadays is a wonderful thing,and I see no reason why every layout ever made should not be torrented and made freely available to the public,just look at planet emu you can download any rom you like for free no signup,no cost!!!! the scene should be the same for the love not the money.

 

I paid for my membership subs here, so I could download the cracking layouts that 6.1 have brought,and big up to you creators who have made them,cos it's bloody hard,some of them are simply amazing.And ofcourse to The Wizard for his wicked emulator which without we'd all be sat there with our thumbs up our arses.

So really, technically speaking I have been made to put my hand in my pocket for something that should be free,with no other way of getting them,because the sharing aspect unless cash is involved is as tight as a fruit filled puckered anus.I didnt pay that money for the upkeep of the site,I paid to download more files as im sure all the others have too.P2P Them,minus the roms ofcourse,Wizard asks nothing for his emulator and thanks,now there is a guy who really loves the scene,good on you

 

There will always be people who will try to make a fast buck like the dvd's Youv'e seen on ebay,as far as im concerned they are commiting a crime against the scene and should be punished in some way, but how?,any lawyers around to explain those implications,i would love to know.And does anyone know if anyone has ever been convicted of selling this material? via ebay or other sites.If not why not?

Regardless of how this site makes it's income,however you look at it we are paying to download layouts that should be free and thats the point i'm making!

Sharing is caring and caring is sharing!,p2p layouts and then no worries about bandwidth costs in that area,then a person has the free choice to join the scene or not for a small fee for the love of it,it should be about love of the fruit emu scene and not hard cash.

mavroz the scene has always been underground in one way or another and the charging to download more layouts,i feel and believe is forcing it further down those tracks.

How did the first sites in the fruit emu scene survive when it all started,they did though,and this site and others are just a continuation of that in a different form with a monetry incentive,its like dangling a carrot in front of a donkey.If the donkey has to pay for carrots in some way he will !!!

RANT OVER!!!

Edited by Bungle, 06 October 2018 - 06:02 AM.

[vectra666]

Uhh hello bungle where does it state on this site or others you have to PAY to play, ever since I joined this site (2010) and others I've only paid once and that was for the resources pot on this site, of course various members have asked if I could donate funds for resources of which I eventually did. I feel I contribute in other ways I've always joined in with topics etc and now I make layouts for FREE!!
The emulator and layouts ARE made for free, always have and always will be as we do this due to its A, a hobby we all love and B, I'm sure I read somewhere that what we do can't be bought due to certain reasons I can't recall right now.
But this isn't why we or some disagree with this programme.
You've simply come on here spouting off about paying for
layouts which is simply untrue and false.

The main reason I and others disagree with this programme is the fact that although it's a good idea and could be implemented within this site, the way I see it. It could drive away potential members from this and other sites and reduce revenue.
If we get less members ok the bandwidth would be reduced via less downloading but we'd also get less resource gathering which would lead to less layout creating etc etc.
And I like many other creators choose what site we release our work on to support the sites we visit, that's why you'll never see a DAD new release on here or a Reg release due to if you want them you need to join up to their sites (for free) and support their sites in the meantime.
By introducing this programme on here is a kick in the teeth for this site and its supporters.

Edited by vectra666, 06 October 2018 - 06:29 AM.

[TommyC]

Not got a clue what the program is not do I need to? I upload my layouts to here,dad's and desert island fruits. That's the way I wish it to stay so please don't host my layouts through your program I to don't agree with the being forced to pay for layouts. No where does it say on this site if you donate you can download more layouts,the point of the extra downloads from.donating is a thank you from the site for supporting it.

[Mavroz]

As said above, no one is forced to pay anything.

 

If they "Donate", they get extra privileges such as being able to download "X" amount of layouts in a session or access paid members areas. No Charges are forcably being made!

 

I think you have your facts confused here, as you say, "No Question!".

 

You state, "I left the scene many years ago after i paid for a set of reelbands for a certain machine,One of the high ranking members on fruit forums pm'd me about borrowing the reelbands to scan,and I out of the goodness of my heart sent them to him and they were never returned now that pissed me off,SEE THE GREED THERE?,I come back to check the scene and notice charges were being made,donations etc etc.To me that says its about money! No Question!"

 

Many years ago.... But you say the scene has NOW become greedy ?? Could you explain?

 

You seem to have had a personal issue of theft with another person "many years ago", that is nothing to do with the FME scene, that is not the FME scene's fault, nor can it be blamed for individual circumstances.

 

I still fail to see where the above issue is "greed" ? It isn't greed, it is pure selfishness by one person, at the worst, theft.

 

Selfishness will never change. I have become more selfish over the last few years. I have sourced many,many machine roms/resources, buying them, borrowing them for the scene. Unfortunately when i have asked for things i want, several times, the excuses roll from tongues with the greatest of ease. These things i requested are buried, at the back of the shed, need rooting out, the dog is guarding them, etc etc. You can imagine where i am coming from. It has got to the extent now where i thought, haha, no more. What i source now is mine and..... others who i look to with respect that help and like to be helped.

 

My final note on this is that FME involves no monetary requirements whatsoever. People can download the emulator and the games completely free of charge. They don't have to pay to join "most" FME sites, other than to enhance their level and download more items in a period of time.

 

You are so wrong with what you say Bungle, maybe the name is a reflection although i hope not..

 

RANT OVER!!!

[Reg]

And I like many other creators choose what site we release our work on to support the sites we visit, that's why you'll never see a DAD new release on here or a Reg release due to if you want them you need to join up to their sites (for free) and support their sites in the meantime.
By introducing this programme on here is a kick in the teeth for this site and its supporters.

Great post and never has this site, DADs of my site ever forced somebody to pay ( or even The Mecca ).

The layouts have always been free - but the being able to get 200 at once has not. In fact the ONLY site that has some degree of restrictions is this one where you can pay to open more downloads. However, it still lets you download without paying.

No other FME site apart from Fruit-Emu has download restrictions that can be unlocked by spending cash if you want it all very quickly.
Ah Mavroz, you said what I was trying to say but so much better.

[Bungle]

Uhh hello bungle where does it state on this site or others you have to PAY to play, ever since I joined this site (2010) and others I've only paid once and that was for the resources pot on this site, of course various members have asked if I could donate funds for resources of which I eventually did. I feel I contribute in other ways I've always joined in with topics etc and now I make layouts for FREE!!
The emulator and layouts ARE made for free, always have and always will be as we do this due to its A, a hobby we all love and B, I'm sure I read somewhere that what we do can't be bought due to certain reasons I can't recall right now.
But this isn't why we or some disagree with this programme.
You've simply come on here spouting off about paying for
layouts.

The main reason I and others disagree with this programme is the fact that although it's a good idea and could be implemented within this site, the way I see it. It could drive away potential members from this and other sites and reduce revenue.
If we get less members ok the bandwidth would be reduced via less downloading but we'd also get less resource gathering which would lead to less layout creating etc etc.
And I like many other creators choose what site we release our work on to support the sites we visit, that's why you'll never see a DAD new release on here or a Reg release due to if you want them you need to join up to their sites (for free) and support their sites in the meantime.
By introducing this programme on here is a kick in the teeth for this site and its supporters.

Hey vectra you have stated in your post above about "reduced revenue",reduced revenue for what exactly?.if thats not about money i'll eat my own head,and I'm not spouting, I'm just saying what many others don't have the balls to say, thats all.I am entitled to speak my own mind, just as you are, and I will do so.

 

Im not saying people should not pool together money to buy things that benefit the scene,I have done it myself and been shit on in the process. what i am saying is that all layouts should be freely available to everybody without incurring any cost whatsoever,and I disagree the program would damage the scene,personally a great idea I feel.If people would rather get their layouts and "CIRCUMVENT" websites, then why shouldn't they? ,that's the sort of thing that "impacts" and  has "mamed" the scene IMO.

Basically people are being forced albeit in a transparent way to pay to download more layouts,no question about it.Look at mame for instance need i say anymore. NO CHARGE all done for the love of the scene.thats how it should be but its nowhere near and doubt it ever will be,especially in this scene.

And all this,its my layout!,my hard work! and ill do with it as i like attitude just seems rather pointless.

share it for the love not the vanity "please".

 

I take it thats the end of the help with LPD then but if thats how it has to then so be it.

but ty for your comments all the same.

[Bungle]

I have decided not to continue replying in this thread make of it what you will.

I bow out gracefully and have been silenced by the clique.

peace out

[vectra666]

You pay a 'donation' to help the sites with their hosting costs, Not to pay for layouts. As a thankyou for supporting the site you're then given extra privileges as in access to the VIP areas which atm are pointless, and extra download allowances.
Since I joined this site eight years back as I've said I've never "donated" to the sites hosting costs but I have accumulated over 1000 layouts for free.
Ok it's taken 8yrs but in that time I have Always joined in with making topics and being involved and since sept 2012 have contributed to the scene in making layouts for free for members who support this and other sites to enjoy and maybe one day they'll start creating which they have
I.e richy1976 etc and may the cycle continue.
There have been times where I've almost thrown the towel in due to certain conflicts but due to my subborness and love of the hobby I've stayed lol.
But what gets me and others again it took me 8yrs to download 1000games but in that time I've enjoyed every step (well most) of the way. Where as this programme you could in theory download 1000 games in a week without the need to join in and be involved with any fme site.

Newbies will always want the latest dond machines as they think if they play these for free they'll beat the system, and make a mint. well that's never gonig to happen! They don't care about the history of machines and the ability to be able to play older ones, they want the new ones and don't care how they get them. Regardless of the work taken to make it for them to be able to play them.

Edited by vectra666, 06 October 2018 - 07:26 AM.

[Mavroz]

No one has to be silenced by an imaginary Clique. 

 

Another thing of fiction i feel.

 

It is just strange to read comments and statements that are so far from the truth it is bizarre.

 

There is speaking one's own mind and it being taken seriously if the spoken words are factually correct.

 

Again you state, "what i am saying is that all layouts should be freely available to everybody without incurring any cost whatsoever..."  They are !!! How many more times?

 

"If people would rather get their layouts and "CIRCUMVENT" websites, then why shouldn't they? ,that's the sort of thing that "impacts" and  has "mamed" the scene IMO."

 

Do you understand what you are saying? If these websites become unused and unwanted, where will layouts etc be uploaded to? Where will they be hosted for "circumvention" software to be used?

 

I thoroughly understand the "it is my layout and work." attitude. May i request you put a few days/weeks into making a quality DX layout, then see people selling it as a package online, making money from your work and see how it feels.

 

If this is how you feel, then you are sadly in the wrong place i am afraid.

 

Peace out and enjoy the downloads.

[Geddy]

God guys,someone tries to add something I personally think could be really good for the scene and everyone starts biting the poor guys head off,bloody filthy,no wonder its been so friggin turbulent throughout time,and so many peeps have gone awol it's just not good for morale.I can't understand why people wouldnt want their creations dispersed amongst the public,so they can enjoy playing them just as much as the layout designers enjoyed creating them,lets face it,it's always been the same,secrecy and cliquey,marred with greed and backstabbing as far back as i can remember,take the small ammount of peeps who had the tools to create layouts and noone else was allowed them,only due to a hacked 9.4 it would possibly still be the same.all i can say is thank god the actual fruit machine companies have not got the same attitudes as I can see here.I thought this scene wasnt about money but it seems to me thats exactly what its become,im bloody damn well saddened by it.

 

 

Like Pook said, HOMEWORK.  The guy has been around the scene long enough (under a different nickname) to know what the 'score' is.  I'm fairly sure he was aware of the possible outcome of this.  I mean even Wizard posted a 'is it okay if I release a new emulator...' type thread before he did it.  Would it have been good form to post this tool as a WIP first to gauge response.. I think so.

 

Same secrecy, cliquey backstabbing etc etc... you know why?  Because people like yourself and fruitnutter etc turn up back here with new nicknames too 'afraid' of your past to admit who you really are then 'demand' we follow your tune.

 

....that is what I'm damn well saddened by.

[Reg]

 

Like Pook said, HOMEWORK.  The guy has been around the scene long enough (under a different nickname) to know what the 'score' is.  I'm fairly sure he was aware of the possible outcome of this.  I mean even Wizard posted a 'is it okay if I release a new emulator...' type thread before he did it.  Would it have been good form to post this tool as a WIP first to gauge response.. I think so.

 

Same secrecy, cliquey backstabbing etc etc... you know why?  Because people like yourself and fruitnutter etc turn up back here with new nicknames too 'afraid' of your past to admit who you really are then 'demand' we follow your tune.

 

....that is what I'm damn well saddened by.

 

Hi Geddy - obviously we work from the same info that you see here is what I see at DIF as Moderators etc.

 

Why this this sleeper account from the original poster allowed to stand - should this not be closed - as far as I am aware his "real" account is still active and I think there's a little piece from the Admin about duplicate accounts etc on the main page ?

 

Thanks.