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[uptown47]

I was just thinking the other day whether there were ever any machines produced that used the actual "odds" in order to make sure that the punter lost overall but played perfectly legitimately.

In other words, it was pure chance whether you spun a win in or not and there was enough combinations on the reels to ensure that the machine still won overall?

Or would such a machine not be legally allowed as (ironically), without "fixing" the wins, it couldn't guarantee to comply with the law that enforces a certain percentage payout?

[MikeyMonster]

There were some machines which had a (in principle) purely random repeat chance, they had a plinko style drop game with pins to bounce the ball off, and a section below alternating repeat no repeat.

 

This was advertised as truly random - and i have no reason to believe it was not.

 

Not quite the question you asked, but the closest i know of.

 

With regards to your last line - there were plenty of machines which never paid their % - legal or not.

 

Their is a youtube video, of someone who has bought a Family Guy machine - with a supposed 78% payout (or thierabouts)

 

The Lifetime meters - show that after over £22000 of credits, the machine was only at about 66% - this is never getting back to its advertised %

[uptown47]

Wow, that Family Guy machine is due a jp or two!! :-)

I'd not heard of the repeat chance being decided by that method before but I do know the kind of mechanism you're talking about.

Interesting stuff. Thanks :-)

[RHM]

Playing Casino Crazy if you're good enough about 2/3 of features are a jackpot. Mind you at £8 jackpot it can afford to do it even its not meant to Lol.

[stevedude2]

I think Impulse did a game with a true random hi-lo gamble, but it didn't do very well.

 

BGT did a game called Random Replay with repeat chances played on a real bagatelle in the middle of the top glass.  They did a couple of other games using the bagatelle but I never saw them anywhere.

[CharlieRaymondo]

I'm sure Barcrests Gamball was chance in some way as it had a ping pong ball in the top glass which was used for some sort of gamble/repeat chance.

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[CharlieRaymondo]

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[uptown47]

Thanks for the great info! :-)

[edwardb]

The answer to the original question is "yes and no".

 

Truly random AWPs were tried a few times but all failed for a number of reason. Firstly, operators (pub companies..) hated them - they wanted guaranteed money in the cashbox week in, week out. A machine that did £800 one week and -£800 the next week was not going to get rented (when machines were ordered). Secondly, players usually hated them. They were too unpredictable. With a compensated game, you kind of knew where you stood, but a random game could bite your arm off and keep going. 

 

Many countries had truly random games by law, and some were ported or converted to the UK. Grandslam is a good example, even though this was compensated, it started life as a Dutch AWP. I've done a number of similar games for Norway, even recently for online games.

 

BGT's Random Replay did have a random repeat chance, but the positioning of the red and green channels was controlled depending on the state of the compensators. The ball unit was biased towards the far right hand side channel. We had one at Mazooma and rigged it to keep firing the ball, and record which position it fell into. I can't recall the exact numbers, but over 100,000 balls fired, it hit the far right channel way more than the others. So put a red light there, and you can have a little more control over the repeat chance.

 

Read my posts on compensation for more info.

 

Cheers

Ed

[uptown47]

The answer to the original question is "yes and no".

 

Truly random AWPs were tried a few times but all failed for a number of reason. Firstly, operators (pub companies..) hated them - they wanted guaranteed money in the cashbox week in, week out. A machine that did £800 one week and -£800 the next week was not going to get rented (when machines were ordered). Secondly, players usually hated them. They were too unpredictable. With a compensated game, you kind of knew where you stood, but a random game could bite your arm off and keep going. 

 

Many countries had truly random games by law, and some were ported or converted to the UK. Grandslam is a good example, even though this was compensated, it started life as a Dutch AWP. I've done a number of similar games for Norway, even recently for online games.

 

BGT's Random Replay did have a random repeat chance, but the positioning of the red and green channels was controlled depending on the state of the compensators. The ball unit was biased towards the far right hand side channel. We had one at Mazooma and rigged it to keep firing the ball, and record which position it fell into. I can't recall the exact numbers, but over 100,000 balls fired, it hit the far right channel way more than the others. So put a red light there, and you can have a little more control over the repeat chance.

 

Read my posts on compensation for more info.

 

Cheers

Ed

 

Thanks for the info Ed. Really interesting. Cheers :-)

[RHM]

Didn't the old jpm fairgrounds have a dodgy dice in the them making it look like the machine had shook the dice?

 

And that old bell fruit only fools and horses had a wonky dice as well.