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[Dr DX]

yes there are certain things that make funny jokes and certain things that don't fella, one day perhaps you will grow up a bit and understand this


the army doesn't teach you to respect any old idiot and it teachs you to defend yourself and stand up what for you believe in. It also teaches you how truely stupid the general public can be

it also teaches you what a stuck up pompus prick you are , you think just because your in the army you can look down your big nose at other people.

my piece said

Sgt Bloodshed

[Jimmy_mac]

. It also teaches you how truly stupid the general public can be

fantastic sweeping statement there, the general puplic are truly stupid.

Tell me, how do i raise my self up a few classes so im no longer a part of the general public as you obviously dont consider yourself to be within that group

[Dr DX]

fantastic sweeping statement there, the general puplic is truly stupid.

Tell me, how do i raise my self up a few classes so im no longer a part of the general public as you obviously dont consider yourself to be within that group

jimmy what hes actually hinting at as in public = us are civis

[Jimmy_mac]

sarge i couldnt give a f*** at what he hinting at, its a sweeping statement none the less

[fistandantilus]

it also teaches you what a stuck up pompus prick you are , you think just because your in the army you can look down your big nose at other people.

my piece said

Sgt Bloodshed

not looking down my nose at anyone, I just think people should respect other peoples health, what this entire thread was about. I pointed out a simple fact and got a load of abuse right from the off because of it. You gave bencrest a load of abuse and then moved on to me, my mistake was trying to reason and then getting pissed off by it all.

It is my and your right to think some of you on this forum is an idiots (not all by any means and I am sorry if anyone thought this).

I feel strongly on this subject and just think it is a crying shame that smokers who have commented in this forum generally seem to be too selfish to see the potential danger to the health of bystanders.

As for my comment for the general public it has nothing to do with the army. Someone shouts bomb and the public kill themselves in a stampede trying to escape from something they have no clue its location, a classic example. A crash happens on the motorway and a pile up is caused by people in the other lane gorping at the accident, generally groups of people seem to be far more idiotic than individuals, football hooligans for example lol, the list is endless. Again I think your been far too pedantic with my statements

[Jimmy_mac]

Views have been posted on either side, i think the selfish remark is a bit harsh, many of us smokers have tried to give alternatives, possible solutions, ways that both side can be happy.

But all has been thrown back at us, we are asking for a compromise, a way that all can be happy... and there are definately ways this can be achieved

since you edited your post a bit i thought i would mine...

so what the feck was your general public comment all about then, why post it in here if not to point a finger at those within the thread. Now your explaining it with crowd situations. Are you implying this situation to the smokers here. Personally i dont go round in gangs with a pack o 20 each and hunt down non smokers just to piss em off

[fistandantilus]

Views have been posted on either side, i think the selfish remark is a bit harsh, many of us smokers have tried to give alternatives, possible solutions, ways that both side can be happy.

But all has been thrown back at us, we are asking for a compromise, a way that all can be happy... and there are definately ways this can be achieved

How can you compromise when your potentially irriversably damaging someone's health through no fault of their own? what you going to do, smoke half as much on sundays?

the simple fact is if someone doesn't want to breathe in second hand smoke they should have to, its your habit not theirs. It should be down to you to make the compromise and either smoke at home or outside

[fistandantilus]

A non-smoker complaining about smoking in a pub is a little like going to a steak house and asking what the veggie option is, btw who is being selfish?

alth

does a person eating a bacon sandwich in front of a veggie damage their health? what a stupid argument

Non-smokers do not deny your right to smoke, its your choice. We just demand the right to be able to safe guard our health from your harmful habit

[Jimmy_mac]

you really aint listening are you, compromises to give a choice, ive already given the idea of multiple licenses to allow smoking and non smoking pub, then you have the choice not to go in the place. That way its your own stupid f*****g fault if you get someone blowing smoke in your face

[fistandantilus]

can I ask you a simple question? would you smoke next to someone's children?

[Jimmy_mac]

what the flying f***, look at licensing you twat, you need a license to allow children into a pub, then they must only be allowed in certain areas.

Let me ask you a question

Would you drive at 90mph towards you neighbours dog?

Stupid question?

Exactly you tool

[fistandantilus]

not on about pubs, I am on about anywhere?

the simple fact is I guess most of you would answer no. If thats the case, think long and hard about why you would answer no. Then tell me one reason why a bystander is any different to a child healthwise?

[Jimmy_mac]

How can you compromise when your potentially irriversably damaging someone's health through no fault of their own? what you going to do, smoke half as much on sundays?

the simple fact is if someone doesn't want to breathe in second hand smoke they should have to, its your habit not theirs. It should be down to you to make the compromise and either smoke at home or outside

yes it damn well should be down to a compromise, this is where we start to move into the politics of the situation.

This is not a prohibition country, its will not become a nanny state. We all have the freedom of choice, if it involves doing something LEGAL and killing myself then so be it.

However you have the right not to be killed by what im doing and so therefore should be able to choose if you enter into a situation where something im doing may be harmful for you

[Jimmy_mac]

not on about pubs, I am on about anywhere?

the simple fact is I guess most of you would answer no. If thats the case, think long and hard about why you would answer no. Then tell me one reason why a bystander is any different to a child healthwise?

But this whole debate is basically about smoking within pubs.


Yes the ban will encompass a wide varieity of areas, but this debate has so far centred around the main area that everyone is interested in. Pubs. which therefore made that question completly irrelevant.

But in answer, no your quite right i wouldnt, in the same respect that i would not rush over to the nearest person not smoking to light my cigarette. Young or old dont make a blind bit of difference to my smoking habits.