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#21 cliffc

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Posted 22 December 2005 - 06:42 AM

God forbid anyone should find any faults in your code Gary - and they will.


Hi

As far as I know (and i could be wrong here and if I am someone will tell me i am sure lol), Most coding is not done by one person its done by a team of people, so for example, one guy may do the graphic code, some one else the game code, ect, then all the code is brought together at the end, therefore a code problem could come to light in one of the machnes that gary had worked on but it my not be a problem with the bit he worked on.

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#22 darren222

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Posted 22 December 2005 - 12:25 PM

New chip has been released which cures the problem

when was this new chip released? hope i havnt missed out :cool:

#23 tracey2

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Posted 22 December 2005 - 12:53 PM

Free play????????????????????
Well I jumped into the river
Too many times to make it home
I'm out here on my own, an drifting all alone
If it doesn't show give it time
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#24 nails

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Posted 22 December 2005 - 01:42 PM

otherwise known as demo mode.

#25 cliffc

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Posted 22 December 2005 - 02:18 PM

otherwise known as demo mode.


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But unless I am missing something if in demo mode when you get the JP which if in demo mode i assume you can force it to come in, it wont payout as when most machines are in demo mode thay dont. Or other than being able to put the machine into demo mode with door shut is this the whole idea behind the emptyer the fact that it still pays out.

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#26 darren222

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Posted 22 December 2005 - 03:16 PM

the fact that it still pays out.
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correct, but theres a catch ;) anyone fancy dropping me a pm, i know the MTR but cant seem to get it into 'demo mode' if anyone can help me with this i could give something in return/ something fairly new maybe DNA or something

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Posted 22 December 2005 - 03:31 PM

correct, but theres a catch ;) anyone fancy dropping me a pm, i know the MTR but cant seem to get it into 'demo mode' if anyone can help me with this i could give something in return/ something fairly new maybe DNA or something


So Fruit-Emu is turning into an 'under the table' emptier/cheat forum?

Theres many forums dedicated for this...and this isn't one of them!

Nails didn't start the thread for this reason...so let's not let it go that way!

#28 darren222

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Posted 22 December 2005 - 03:33 PM

So Fruit-Emu is turning into an 'under the table' emptier/cheat forum?

Theres many forums dedicated for this...and this isn't one of them!

Nails didn't start the thread for this reason...so let's not let it go that way!

fair enough :confused:

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Posted 22 December 2005 - 06:11 PM

Right chaps, let's put this one to bed shall we?

Firstly, Nails - what your original post is saying is 'You can get Slotto on free-play, how can the game be random?'

What the f*** sort of argument is that? How can an intermittent fault in the way the machine handles messages under certain situations have anything to do with the way the actual game operates?

Answer - It doesn't.

Let's not forget that Party Games Slotto was one of Astra's first video-based products for the UK market, and it was tested thoroughly before production, as is every new version of the shell and ACP to this day, plus any game revisions. OK, a fault has slipped through the net, but it took someone a year to find, and with over 3000 Slotto games out there to find problems on, even the tricky ones will be found eventually.

Secondly, it's not an emptier (or EMPTIER as Nails puts it). You'll be hard pressed to empty the machine, or make a decent amount of money from it, as many have found out, including Nails probably. Gary, the reason this has taken a year to come out is because it's bloody hard to recreate. No-one has made any sort of decent money on it, mainly because of the nature of the fault. Under certain circumstances you can get the game to give you a £2 credit for nothing, effectively putting the machihe in a negative state (-£2). From then on you can play the machine for nothing as long as you don't win anything big enough to bring it back to positive. If you spent £50 in negative state (and it's not f*****g demo mode or free play for f***'s sake), and then won £60, you would end up with a tenner, and the machine would return to normal. The only way to make decent money is to fluke a jackpot before the game gets to minus £500 and collect the difference. The whole process is a pain in the arse and not really worth doing unless you are really desperate, and sadly I suspect a few on here are exactly that.

Now can we talk about something else please? :)
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#30 skabaz

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Posted 22 December 2005 - 06:21 PM

so glad you cleared that up steve as i wasn't even going to mention so the all the hype could be hugely deflated in 1 swift go.

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#31 frankie4fingers

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Posted 22 December 2005 - 07:18 PM

That is one cruel avatar baz :D
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#32 chav666

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Posted 22 December 2005 - 07:43 PM

once again Stevedude is the fountain of wisdom!!!!!! I am not being sarcastic by the way. MTR my arse.

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Posted 22 December 2005 - 10:31 PM

I stand corrected Steve, was only going from snippets of hear say that I heard from several sources. But its nothing deliberate from what you say and just a bit of slack coding.

and as for the comment from themission, I test my code, I double check and triple check everything from pecentage calculation to trying shit that no one else would think about trying to make the machine fall over. Double backups are made of the vital ram at every credit change and stake chance and these are then checked at regular intervals to make sure there is no corruption, if there is then the machine will attempt to correct it. *IF* a mistake was to slip though it would not be anything as critical as the mistakes Bell Fruit made. I assume you are a machine programmer as well then from your comments

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Posted 22 December 2005 - 11:00 PM

No probs Gary :)

Just thought I'd butt in and stop the avalanche in its tracks...:)
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Posted 23 December 2005 - 12:24 AM

i aggree with adydb, this is a forum to chat about emulation/real fruit machines etc. and not a place for blaitant cheating.

im happy to talk about the problems that hit the machines, and happy to answer private mails, but not to talk openly about them on a forum.

#36 TheMission

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Posted 23 December 2005 - 05:29 AM

AFAIK the Slotto fault is exactly as Steve describes and just hasn't been picked up before now.

Whilst your theory of how any commerically released software should be totally fault-free Gary is admirable, it simply isn't attainable in the real world. The larger and more complex any Engineeering project is, and the more people that are involved, the greater the potential for errors creeping in - we are all human after all. I read so much rhetoric about programmers being 'bent' or 'sloppy' here and elsewhere, and it makes me wonder how everyone else can be so perfect at their jobs and never f*** up. Truth is, as one ex-RAF Technician I used to work with put it: "If you've never made a mistake at work, you've obviously done f*** all work."

We are still downloading 'security updates' to XP - and whatever your views of Microsoft I suspect they only employ what they consider to be more than competent Software Engineers. Titanic wasn't supposed to sink. The Tacoma Narrows Bridge wasn't supposed to self-destruct in relatively light winds. The World Trade Centre towers were meant to withstand aeroplane collisions but didn't due to previously unforeseen consequences - thirty years after being commissioned.

By all means continue to throw stones at people you've never met lads. Just be sure you're not in a glass house when you do it.

Rant over. :)

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Posted 23 December 2005 - 10:17 PM

and as for the comment from themission, I test my code, I double check and triple check everything from pecentage calculation to trying shit that no one else would think about trying to make the machine fall over.

Double backups are made of the vital ram at every credit change and stake chance and these are then checked at regular intervals to make sure there is no corruption, if there is then the machine will attempt to correct it. *IF* a mistake was to slip though it would not be anything as critical as the mistakes Bell Fruit made. I assume you are a machine programmer as well then from your comments


Define corruption. :)

The Bell Fruit thing was a school boy error and no doubt whoever wrote it won't repeat the mistake but most bugs are far more subtle than that and their causes often elude inexperienced engineers. I can tell by the way you write that you haven't been doing it for very long - but rest assured you've got a few howlers to come. :)

#38 darren222

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Posted 24 December 2005 - 02:02 AM

heres another for your list nails-
Advised program updates to Bellfruit/Mazooma S16 machines has NOT cured the problem, unable to verify at this time, advise switch machines off until further information available.
Please email me if you have any more details.

Site Administrator - Technical Department
(copy and paste from fruitforums)

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Posted 24 December 2005 - 03:42 AM

Just an observation here about the alleged fault...

been to three different arcades this week... JEM Leisure in Long Eaton, Nobles in Beeston, & Silvers (Thomas's) in Leicester.....

All three sites have the spin button disabled on the machines, & the only way to play them is by hitting spin on the actual screen, so wondering if this is involved in some way???

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Posted 24 December 2005 - 08:59 AM

Just an observation here about the alleged fault...

been to three different arcades this week... JEM Leisure in Long Eaton, Nobles in Beeston, & Silvers (Thomas's) in Leicester.....

All three sites have the spin button disabled on the machines, & the only way to play them is by hitting spin on the actual screen, so wondering if this is involved in some way???


funny u should mention my old workplace, thomas's in leicester. yes i did used to work there many years ago, geez back down memory lane again :-)

i understand derek who looks like (del boy) who is manager still works there and danny 1 of the engineer's now lives and works in a arcade in mabelthorpe.

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