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[combatzone]

Why can't mazooma machines be emulated

wat makes then so hard to emulate

Curious to know, mazooma are my favourite machine maufacturer

please help!!!

[Bencrest]

Mazooma use Scorp4/Scorp5 (Bell Fruit Scorpion) technology, and so far only up to Scorp2 have been emulated in the public domain.

[nails]

Mazooma use Scorp4/Scorp5 (Bell Fruit Scorpion) technology, and so far only up to Scorp2 have been emulated in the public domain.

is there any emphasis on `in the public domain` there

[Bencrest]

Possibly.

I don't have a copy mind

Maybe thats because it doesn't exist. Then again, maybe not.

[mythicos]

I think the main reasons that s4 hasnt been emulated/released (delete as applicable to whether you think it's been done or not) is because it's still a current technology.

Until very recently it was 'owned' by a company that you just don't f*** with.. There are 2 companies you don't f*** with and one is IGT (owners of barcrest and so on) and Gaussleman (who owned QPS, mazooma, BFM and Nova and also eurogames and others).

A long time ago a deal was struck with QPS much like the empire deal.. however, when Gaussleman were asked for permission they freaked out and said "no way jose" at which point it was realised they were pretty damn uptight about emulation.. and being the owners of QPS and etc at that time it was clear that they shouldnt be upset.

And thats just the sense reasons, there are others.. namely S4 uses a bios not unlike a ps1 and you then open a legal can of worms as to whether you either want to implement it in an emu (illegal) or code your way around the protection (illegal).

Now Im not saying other protections havent been coded around (bwb encryption, CHR's and so forth) but they were for machines that didnt exist in the money making world anymore.. hacking your way around modern code is stupid and asking for trouble, publically of course.

Now I know that BFM don't use S4 for anything anymore, but it's not all about BFM.. thousands upon thousands of S4 machines were manufactured and reside in the same cabinet as S5 machines (the eclipse) so rebuild manufacturers are going to use what they have for now..

I do know that S5 (scorpion 5) is very similar to S4 (scorpion 4) and they use the same sound.. I also know that alot of machines toward the end of BFM's use of S4 could be either S5 or S4, this would point out that they can easily code their games into each tech... so the reason QPS and mazooma havent totally switched to S5 yet is plain, why replace all those MPU's in used machines when you have one just as capable for nothing?

And like epoch that's the problem.. even though Maygay no longer use epoch other companies do..

BFM dont use S4 anymore but everything released by mazooma in the last 2 years (grandblaster cash, gettin ziggy, jumping jack cash, never mind the jackpots) are all S4, and they still havent switched onto S5.

So, if we wrote an emu to provide older mazooma machines we would then open a floodgate for all the newer ones to be emulated also.. a very bad idea.

[skabaz]

well put mythicos!!!

some qps and mazooma machines were released in barcrest and jpm cabinets but i am unsure of what tech are in them.

bellfruit will still provide a new release machine with scorpion 4 tech if you request it as its cheaper but they do not supply test machines with scorpion 4 tech.

baz

[MAGIK]

The easiest way to explain to explain why current techs and machines are not emulated is this- would you shove money in it at 25p a go in a pub/club/ arcade when you could play it at home for free? course not. So if everyone could just log on here and download crazy fruits say, the actuall machine would no longer be taken money, and the operator would be making a loss. You could potentially make the fruity industry go bust by emulating all current techs.

[mocochoco]

The easiest way to explain to explain why current techs and machines are not emulated is this- would you shove money in it at 25p a go in a pub/club/ arcade when you could play it at home for free? course not. So if everyone could just log on here and download crazy fruits say, the actuall machine would no longer be taken money, and the operator would be making a loss. You could potentially make the fruity industry go bust by emulating all current techs.

well i dunno about that..... people are still gonna pump money into the f***ers whether they can play them on here or not. At the end of the day i cant really see people pumping money into the machines that are currently about for the 'fun' factor.... cos they'r all shite!

The main downfall would be that poeple could play them on here and get a bit of a better idea of how they play and features etc.... and then probably go and play the machine in the wild knowing they'v got a slight advantage cos they dont have to pump loads in just to learn how the machine plays.

[Bencrest]

What a load of shit has been posted above -

Unless recent machines were available in an actual gambling format (i.e played for credits and with actual monetary prizes) I think MORE people would play machines in pubs, as they would feel they had an advantage, and could 'practise' playing before risking money on the real thing.

What has happened these days IMHO is rather than people considering playing a machine, theres a core of 'gamblers', be they 'pro' players or just addicts - people who will play with the intention of making money, and the average bloke will not touch them - or if they do they will stake an insignificant amount, say £1, probably due to the lack of entertainment per £1.

Given that, quite how making more recent machines available for free in a non-monetary form will hurt takings I do not know.

Luckily I'm still not playing machines at the minute

[mocochoco]

What a load of shit has been posted above -

if that was aimed at me........ then i think you read my post wrong cos your post is pretty much saying exactly what mine is lol

[MAGIK]

well, you explained it a lot better than me, but its just my opinion, one of many diffrent ones.

[avengah]

A quick question regarding Scorpion 4 and 5, and Mazooma. I have seen three Mazooma machines - Nuns and Roses, Cabin Fever and Bobby Dazzler, which play at a certain speed, but there are a few of them (not many, mind) that play significantly faster. Would I be right in thinking that the ones that run faster are running on Scorpion 5, while the slower ones are on S4? I don't know, but I can't think of any reason why some are faster than others except that they might be using updated technology.

[skabaz]

possibly because all 3 of those machines were released on scorpion 4 and 5.

baz

[Bencrest]

what mine is lol

Nah, bloke above you Moco

Sorry I don't make stuff clear at night, TBH I've only had about 6 pints this month but all 6 were on that night, and despite being a big chap I've been somewhat of a 'lightweight' when it comes to Alkyhol recently

[avengah]

possibly because all 3 of those machines were released on scorpion 4 and 5.

baz

So if the game is running very fast, then it's the Scorpion 5 version? Is that correct?

[skabaz]

i'm saying possibly because i haven't really noticed myself.

baz