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[CBDSonline]

I have a couple of small problems with a Club Pontoon that i have just rescued from a smelly garage.

1) coin mec.

the tubes and actuators are as follows Left (large yellow) Center (Large yellow) Right (small blue)
Inserting 10p the mec gives the correct credit for the machine payout and the sorter drops the 10p into the small blue tube.
Inserting 20p the mec gives the correct credit for the machine payout and drops the 20p into the first large yellow tube ( but the tube and actuator are too big and the 20 drops straight into the payout tray past the actuator. you get a credit and your coin back)
Inserting 50p i dont know as i aint got any OLD 50p's but i think they will be sorted into the midde large yellow tube.
Inserting £1.00 gives the correct credit and the sorter drops the £1.00 straight into the bottom collection tray.

I would say the coin mec is working as it should and sorter is working as it should so why would the first tube be a large yellow tube and actuator because there is no way it was made for 20p's its just too big. Will i need to change the 1st tube to a smaller one for the 20p's ????

2) Coin mec Wiring. I have a loose black wire coming from the sorter plug. I dont know where it is supposed to go but it has a cripmed connector on the end and looks as if its from some sort of multiplug.. Any ideas as to what it is, what it does and where it is supposed to go ???

3)Coin Mec. Is it possible to change the mec to take new 50p's ?? i have read here and there it might be possible to reflash the eeprom chip ? the coin mec is an MK 2 unit but i have never taken one off and apart so i dont know if its possible. Any advise would be great, New hex dump with new 50p included etc etc.. i can reflash most kinds of eeprom if it has one and is possible to do.


Thanks in advance
Chris

[mrmystery83]

Is it the Global Gaming version or one of the older tech ones? You might struggle getting parts if it's an older one.

[CBDSonline]

The only thing i know about the machine is it's a barcrest with an MPU4 board. Pontoon rom 3.3 The Coin mec has MK 2 stamped on the side of the plastic housing. The coin mec accepts new 10p's 20p's OLD 50p's and £1.00 coins. it seems to want to pay out in 10p's 20p's and 50p's.

[mrmystery83]

The only thing i know about the machine is it's a barcrest with an MPU4 board. Pontoon rom 3.3 The Coin mec has MK 2 stamped on the side of the plastic housing. The coin mec accepts new 10p's 20p's OLD 50p's and £1.00 coins. it seems to want to pay out in 10p's 20p's and 50p's.

Sounds like an older one to me then. Don't know how you'd go on getting parts for it. But if it's only coin chutes and stuff you need you might be ok. You'll possibly need a manual for it. Maybe someone on here has one?

[CBDSonline]

I have hunted the mpu4 service manual down but it only lists the electronic connections for the coin mec on the mpu4 board. it dont say what mec is fitted etc.. If i can find a smaller coin chute and slide mech i think i could manage without 50p's... but as it pays out mostly in 50p coins i really need a coin mech that takes new 50p's

[mrmystery83]

I have hunted the mpu4 service manual down but it only lists the electronic connections for the coin mec on the mpu4 board. it dont say what mec is fitted etc.. If i can find a smaller coin chute and slide mech i think i could manage without 50p's... but as it pays out mostly in 50p coins i really need a coin mech that takes new 50p's

Never known a machine that pays out in 50p's before i guess it must be before the days when all wins were rounded to the nearest pound. Although some machines do pay out 20p's. Most coin mechs these days take the new 50p but the problem is finding one that'll fit your machine. I'd have thought most of them would as long as it was an older one. Failing that you might need to do some sort of conversion job on it which could be a bit messy. Not sure how you'd go about doing that.

Sorry i couldn't be more help but i'm not very technical.

[CBDSonline]

thanks so far.

Today i lost the rag with it and wipped out the coin mech and sorter. Its a bleeding Mars me or ms 115 (think it was ME115) the lable is on the side closest to the cab and cant be seen untill the mech is removed.

Can the old Mars 115's be reprogrammed . i noticed a socketed DIL chip through one of the openings in the housing that may be an eeprom ?

Does anyone have a destruction / diag manual for this mech ?

Last problem.. after stripping and cleaning the 3 tube and solenoid mechs they are all old coinage tubes and mechs. 2 x 50p and 1 x 10p the 1 x 10p tube has a clear tube inserted to make the diameter smaller for the new 10p's but the 50p's are still large. i can live with this at the mo the thing is the coin mech and sorter routes 20p's to the first tube when it should dump them into the bottom cash tray so the routing plug must be wrong. Is it possible to change the routing plug so the sorter and mec can use 2 different tubes for 50ps. It must have been set to do this at the start of its life b4 someone changed the coin mech and sorter to a new 10p one. The reason for this is i had a win of 80p and when i collected it all i got was 1 x 20p and 3 x 10p (50p) total but if its ment to pay in 50's and 10's (cos it only has 2 x 50p tubes and 1 x 10p tube) it would have been 1 x 50p and 3 x 10p's

I am confusing myself here. lol.

[CanonMan]

The older Mars coin mechs can be reprogrammed, but the bipolar PROM chips that are used to hold the coin configurations, have been obsolete for years and can be very difficult to get hold of. There are a few people around who have a stash of them, though.

Special equipment has to be used to program the mechs, and swapping a PROM from a mech that does handle new coins won't necessarily work due to component tolerances between mechs and all that...

[CBDSonline]

Thanks CanonMan.

Do you know what other validators and sorters would fit ? there is a cash flow 126 dfx one ebay at the mo and a mars ME 126 mech (validator and sorter) sitting on ebay at a reasonable price.

[eyleyro]

Probably no help, but my pontoon and blackjack have the Mars ME126, take all new coinage except 50ps, though have a bag of old ones to hand anyway. I know nothing about the mechanics of it to be honest and have actually disconnected the tubes so cash put in comes straight out into payout tray as machines are in garage and can't remain full. I do have some digipics pre-disassembly though, and can look up part numbers in the machine if that's of any value. Let me know.

[skabaz]

you will need to replace the mech with a me 115.
cashflow mechs are no use for your machine.

looking through the thread it looks like either the coin mech is knackered or the routing plug is the wrong one.

it will be very difficult to get this sorted as there are no manuals for this machine kicking about and the manual would have the specific routing for this machine.

baz

[CBDSonline]

thanks eyleyro if i can grab a working me126 from ebay i might need to ask a few questions on the routing plug and the main harness wiring.

Once i get it working on new 50p's then i can start work reducing the tube size so they dont fall right through back to the payout tray.

Are the coin tubes original ? 2 x yellow 50p and 1 x blue 10p

[CBDSonline]

Thanks bazpeeb. do you know if anyone can recalibrate the me115 ? or where i might be able to grab a secondhand mech that accepts new 50's

My missus has a lesuirelink site visit orderd today for her works nudger, Some punter blocked the note accepter with a ripped up tenner.
Wonder if they have Old machine spares lying round in a workshop somewhere. Also have to visit one of the local arcades and ask the owner if she has some parts.. I will get the pontooon working in full flow again. it might take time but she will works as she should.

[eyleyro]

hmmm, if that's the colours they're supposed to be then probably not (see attached). Just dug out he manual too, but it's probably the same one everyone else has, the generic MPU4 field Service manual. Good luck!

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[CBDSonline]

Thats it eyleyro. spot on and you have an me126 validator and sorter mech ? Bazpeeb says it will not work unless i picked his last message up wrong.
I also have the generic MPU4 field Service manual but it dont say alot about the coin side of the machine....

[CBDSonline]

As per normal my lack of short term memory strikes again. the coin validator is a Mars MS115..

Just back from a furity graveyard. got a couple of coin chutes that are the right size for new 50's and 2 ms111 coin valisators to play with.

Inside one of the newer cabs was a sticker with routing info on. it said either an ms111 or a ms126 must be fitted to this machine

[CBDSonline]

eyleyro

on you mech (me126) does it fill both 50p tubes or dont you know.. Does the coin sorter have a routing plug in it? is the routing plug attached to the main mech wiring ?

I have a working me126 accepting new 10's and 50's and i have rewired the routing plug but i cant get it to fill both 50p tubes. I think there are 2 black wires comming from the main mech wiring that acts like an overide so the sorter can fill both 50p tubes but i dont know where the black wires go to in the routing plug. (if they even got to the routing plug)

[eyleyro]

pm'd you.