Pachislo ( Japanese Slots ) FAQ v1
Started by Bencrest, Aug 16 2006 09:13 PM
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#1
Posted 16 August 2006 - 09:13 PM
I decided to start a bit of an FAQ here. My reason? So that people know what to expect from the machines, because what they are described as, and what they are, can be different things.
Heres my Pachislo FAQ Thread V1.0, suggestions, ideas, e.t.c. are welcome - Note this is a newbie type guide, so I haven't covered in depth stuff, this is a rough guide
Heres a picture of one of my machines (turned off) to give you a rough idea of what one looks like :
http://www.nigelguy....emu/Zetz1bc.jpg
Q1) How do you play Pachislo?
Well, you basically play it like a normal slot machine (that is, not a UK machine with feature trails e.t.c, you play it like a USA Slot Machine).
Theres no Holds (as such), no Nudges, no Number trail.
You insert your tokens, pull a 'start game' handle downwards (normally at the left of the machine), and this starts the reels spinning. Rather than the reels stopping themselves however, you then stop the reels by pushing buttons mounted just below them. Normally you stop them in whatever order you feel like, unless the machine signals you to stop in a certain order. In theory you should be aiming to hit whichever symbol equals a Big Bonus entry on each reel (it's normally 3 x 7s) but don't be surprised if you get too in a row and the 3rd one nowhere near (see Q2 below!)
You will win small prizes (up to 15 tokens) for stopping different symbols on a winline, say 3 Bells. On my machine above, Zetz, there are actually 7 winlines, but most machines will have 5, 3 horizontal, and then 2 diagonally. If you get 3 of a particular symbol (in the case of Zetz it would be 3 x Red or Blue 7s), you will enter a Bonus (see below, Q1b)
Q1a) If you don't have any nudges or features, where is the entertainment?!
Instead of a feature board or a number trail, what you get instead are 'Chance Events'. These are where you are playing the game, and you get a 'Signal'. It might be an extra reel comes into play, and if it stops on a particular symbol, you win a Bonus, or a prize. It might be a video plays on an LCD screen, and the outcome of that (say winning a fight, stopping a symbol on a roulette wheel, e.t.c.) determines if you win a Bonus, or a prize. You don't normally have any intervention in such events, although on some machines you may be able to choose from a multiple choice options - for example, taking a left or a right path. I am pretty sure though that unless the machine feels it is ready to award something, then it decides what to pay BEFORE you'd made your choice, and what you've chosen becomes irrelevant.
I'd better just reiterate some of that. They DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT play like a UK machine, so if you are expecting a smaller version of a UK machine you will be disappointed. They are however very entertaining (IMHO) in their own right. Thats why I have 3 of them in my bedroom
Q1b) What is this stuff about ' Bonus '?
Pachislo machines tend to pay out smaller wins (normally between 2 tokens and 15 tokens), and eventually either a Regular or Big Bonus.
These 'Bonuses' are basically streaks, whereby you will win a large amount of small wins in succession, normally with some insanely loud music, lightshow, and if you have an LCD or LED display, some form of video action as well.
Generally you will either get a Regular Bonus, or a Big Bonus. It's a basic generalisation but it's safe to say a Regular bonus will normally pay out about 1/3 of a Big Bonus.
So a 'Bonus', is really the equivalent of a Jackpot, but because in Japan the maximum prize is basically 15 tokens at a time, to allow for a large payout they link many of these 15 or so token wins together. My highest Bonus payout on one of my machines stands at about 570 tokens, to give you a rough idea.
Q2) Aren't these Japanese machines Skill based?
Not really. They are Skill in the sense that a UK SWP (Skill With Prizes machine, such as an ItBox game) is skill. Quite often, it simply isn't the case. Have you played something like Bullseye on an ItBox? Noticed that on the prize board, you aim for something like £5 and the dart clearly slips into the Black, thereby awarding nothing, and giving you a more difficult and quite ambigous question? That shows how the definition of 'Skill' can be warped.
Well thats about how skill a Pachislo machine is. The 'skill' part is basically only used to get around Japanese gaming law, as it is in the UK sense. Thats why SWP machines in the UK can be set to 30% payout. On a Pachislo, the reels are allowed to 'slip' up to 4 positions from the symbol you stop them on. Not a great deal of skill involved if a symbol can vanish from the reel display at will, unless the machine decides to award it!
While this may sound like it would lead to a really boring game, that isn't the case normally - there will be plenty of small wins and actions from the LED / LCD / extra reels to keep you entertained before you hit a Bonus. It isn't any different to a UK machine really - if it doesn't want to award a Jackpot, you'll never get enough nudges for one, as an example.
Q3) What currency do they take?
Well, they don't take currency at all (or are not designed to, but as they only perform very basic coin checking, they often will accept things like 10p pieces, either with no, or basic modifications...)
They actually accept Tokens, which the Japanese normally refer to as 'Medals'. In a Pachislo Parlour (bascally a Japanese Amusement arcade), what you basically do is go to the Change Desk, and buy an amount of Medals for a particular exchange rate (as a rough guide, lets say 1000 Yen for 1000 Medals). You then play these through the machines, and change up your winnings (if any!) at the end. The trade in rate may be, for example, 750 Yen of value for your 1000 Medals.
Q3a) What do you mean '750 Yen "of value" '?
Well, you are not supposed to win cash prizes from Pachislo. Having said that, the Yakuza are involved in gambling over there and there are some places you can win money from. HOWEVER, the basic idea is you will win 'prizes', worth whatever value of Medals you won. These can range from say Pens, with your favourite TV character on them, up to electrical goods.
Q4) How much do Pachislo machines weigh, and how big are they?!
They generally weigh in the region of 35>40kg, and an average size would be about W 1.5ft x D 1.5ft x H 3ft (45cm wide, 45cm deep, and 90cm tall).
Heres my Pachislo FAQ Thread V1.0, suggestions, ideas, e.t.c. are welcome - Note this is a newbie type guide, so I haven't covered in depth stuff, this is a rough guide
Heres a picture of one of my machines (turned off) to give you a rough idea of what one looks like :
http://www.nigelguy....emu/Zetz1bc.jpg
Q1) How do you play Pachislo?
Well, you basically play it like a normal slot machine (that is, not a UK machine with feature trails e.t.c, you play it like a USA Slot Machine).
Theres no Holds (as such), no Nudges, no Number trail.
You insert your tokens, pull a 'start game' handle downwards (normally at the left of the machine), and this starts the reels spinning. Rather than the reels stopping themselves however, you then stop the reels by pushing buttons mounted just below them. Normally you stop them in whatever order you feel like, unless the machine signals you to stop in a certain order. In theory you should be aiming to hit whichever symbol equals a Big Bonus entry on each reel (it's normally 3 x 7s) but don't be surprised if you get too in a row and the 3rd one nowhere near (see Q2 below!)
You will win small prizes (up to 15 tokens) for stopping different symbols on a winline, say 3 Bells. On my machine above, Zetz, there are actually 7 winlines, but most machines will have 5, 3 horizontal, and then 2 diagonally. If you get 3 of a particular symbol (in the case of Zetz it would be 3 x Red or Blue 7s), you will enter a Bonus (see below, Q1b)
Q1a) If you don't have any nudges or features, where is the entertainment?!
Instead of a feature board or a number trail, what you get instead are 'Chance Events'. These are where you are playing the game, and you get a 'Signal'. It might be an extra reel comes into play, and if it stops on a particular symbol, you win a Bonus, or a prize. It might be a video plays on an LCD screen, and the outcome of that (say winning a fight, stopping a symbol on a roulette wheel, e.t.c.) determines if you win a Bonus, or a prize. You don't normally have any intervention in such events, although on some machines you may be able to choose from a multiple choice options - for example, taking a left or a right path. I am pretty sure though that unless the machine feels it is ready to award something, then it decides what to pay BEFORE you'd made your choice, and what you've chosen becomes irrelevant.
I'd better just reiterate some of that. They DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT play like a UK machine, so if you are expecting a smaller version of a UK machine you will be disappointed. They are however very entertaining (IMHO) in their own right. Thats why I have 3 of them in my bedroom
Q1b) What is this stuff about ' Bonus '?
Pachislo machines tend to pay out smaller wins (normally between 2 tokens and 15 tokens), and eventually either a Regular or Big Bonus.
These 'Bonuses' are basically streaks, whereby you will win a large amount of small wins in succession, normally with some insanely loud music, lightshow, and if you have an LCD or LED display, some form of video action as well.
Generally you will either get a Regular Bonus, or a Big Bonus. It's a basic generalisation but it's safe to say a Regular bonus will normally pay out about 1/3 of a Big Bonus.
So a 'Bonus', is really the equivalent of a Jackpot, but because in Japan the maximum prize is basically 15 tokens at a time, to allow for a large payout they link many of these 15 or so token wins together. My highest Bonus payout on one of my machines stands at about 570 tokens, to give you a rough idea.
Q2) Aren't these Japanese machines Skill based?
Not really. They are Skill in the sense that a UK SWP (Skill With Prizes machine, such as an ItBox game) is skill. Quite often, it simply isn't the case. Have you played something like Bullseye on an ItBox? Noticed that on the prize board, you aim for something like £5 and the dart clearly slips into the Black, thereby awarding nothing, and giving you a more difficult and quite ambigous question? That shows how the definition of 'Skill' can be warped.
Well thats about how skill a Pachislo machine is. The 'skill' part is basically only used to get around Japanese gaming law, as it is in the UK sense. Thats why SWP machines in the UK can be set to 30% payout. On a Pachislo, the reels are allowed to 'slip' up to 4 positions from the symbol you stop them on. Not a great deal of skill involved if a symbol can vanish from the reel display at will, unless the machine decides to award it!
While this may sound like it would lead to a really boring game, that isn't the case normally - there will be plenty of small wins and actions from the LED / LCD / extra reels to keep you entertained before you hit a Bonus. It isn't any different to a UK machine really - if it doesn't want to award a Jackpot, you'll never get enough nudges for one, as an example.
Q3) What currency do they take?
Well, they don't take currency at all (or are not designed to, but as they only perform very basic coin checking, they often will accept things like 10p pieces, either with no, or basic modifications...)
They actually accept Tokens, which the Japanese normally refer to as 'Medals'. In a Pachislo Parlour (bascally a Japanese Amusement arcade), what you basically do is go to the Change Desk, and buy an amount of Medals for a particular exchange rate (as a rough guide, lets say 1000 Yen for 1000 Medals). You then play these through the machines, and change up your winnings (if any!) at the end. The trade in rate may be, for example, 750 Yen of value for your 1000 Medals.
Q3a) What do you mean '750 Yen "of value" '?
Well, you are not supposed to win cash prizes from Pachislo. Having said that, the Yakuza are involved in gambling over there and there are some places you can win money from. HOWEVER, the basic idea is you will win 'prizes', worth whatever value of Medals you won. These can range from say Pens, with your favourite TV character on them, up to electrical goods.
Q4) How much do Pachislo machines weigh, and how big are they?!
They generally weigh in the region of 35>40kg, and an average size would be about W 1.5ft x D 1.5ft x H 3ft (45cm wide, 45cm deep, and 90cm tall).
Ben
Hopefully recovering from years of compulsive gambling and wanting to be gamble free forever.
Recommended reading - http://www.gamblersaloud.com/ (yes, I bought the book, very happy with it!)
Hopefully recovering from years of compulsive gambling and wanting to be gamble free forever.
Recommended reading - http://www.gamblersaloud.com/ (yes, I bought the book, very happy with it!)
#2
Posted 17 August 2006 - 02:29 PM
Thanks for the guide Ben.
I agree, the fact there is very little to actually physically do, they are a lot more entertaining than your usual run of the mill UK machine.
I have owned a Sinbad Adventure machine (with an 18" LCD screen) for just over a week now and am thoroughly enjoying it.
I agree, the fact there is very little to actually physically do, they are a lot more entertaining than your usual run of the mill UK machine.
I have owned a Sinbad Adventure machine (with an 18" LCD screen) for just over a week now and am thoroughly enjoying it.
#3
Posted 17 August 2006 - 03:32 PM
Thanks for the guide Ben.
I agree, the fact there is very little to actually physically do, they are a lot more entertaining than your usual run of the mill UK machine.
I have owned a Sinbad Adventure machine (with an 18" LCD screen) for just over a week now and am thoroughly enjoying it.
Cheers, the guide will be a WIP for a while, I'll add stuff to it here and there.
Sinbad Adventure is a fantastic machine, I'd love to get one but think 5 machines in one room is enough
Glad you are enjoying it
Ben
Hopefully recovering from years of compulsive gambling and wanting to be gamble free forever.
Recommended reading - http://www.gamblersaloud.com/ (yes, I bought the book, very happy with it!)
Hopefully recovering from years of compulsive gambling and wanting to be gamble free forever.
Recommended reading - http://www.gamblersaloud.com/ (yes, I bought the book, very happy with it!)
#4
Posted 17 August 2006 - 05:20 PM
5 machines? i can imagine....lol
Thank god for my summerhouse.....got the Pachislo, 4 UK fruities and my pride and joy....a converted MAME cabinet with over 5500 games!!!
I might grow up one day
Thank god for my summerhouse.....got the Pachislo, 4 UK fruities and my pride and joy....a converted MAME cabinet with over 5500 games!!!
I might grow up one day
#5
Posted 17 August 2006 - 06:50 PM
5 machines? i can imagine....lol
Thank god for my summerhouse.....got the Pachislo, 4 UK fruities and my pride and joy....a converted MAME cabinet with over 5500 games!!!
I might grow up one day
I'm in the process of clearing out the UK machines, I've become disillusioned with the idea of playing them in life to make any money, and don't play the ones at home anywhere near as much as I used to.
Anyway I've ordered the last of my machines now, it should be here on Tuesday, it's a Pachinko to go with my Lord of the Rings. I picked up a reasonable machine stand from Argoose today (sorry, I mean Ross 32" TV stand)... fits nicely behind the bed and is rated for 100kg. A bit low but then I play on my office chair anyway, never saw the attraction of playing on a stool at home
The bed/games room will contain (come next Tuesday)
1) Yamasa - Neo Pharaoh Zetz (Pachislo)
2) NET - Super BlackJack (Pachislo)
3) Sammy - King Camel (Pachislo)
4) Sankyo - Lord of the Rings (Pachinko, in a cabinet)
5) Sankyo - Fever Neo Queen (Pachinko, in a cabinet)
In total I've got (between the machines) about 4500 tokens for the 3 Pachislos, and 4500 balls for the 2 Pachinkos (a typical fever paying about 2250 balls).
I've had Austin Powers in the dining room for the past 4 weeks and still haven't bothered to turn it on. Will stick it in the local paper for £100 ONO I think.
Ben
Hopefully recovering from years of compulsive gambling and wanting to be gamble free forever.
Recommended reading - http://www.gamblersaloud.com/ (yes, I bought the book, very happy with it!)
Hopefully recovering from years of compulsive gambling and wanting to be gamble free forever.
Recommended reading - http://www.gamblersaloud.com/ (yes, I bought the book, very happy with it!)
#6
Posted 27 July 2008 - 06:58 AM
Hello,
Sorry to bring up an old thread, but ebay used to be flooded with these things.
However I can't track down anyone selling any.
Does anyone know any suppliers, I'd love a full size UK machine, but have no room!
Sorry to bring up an old thread, but ebay used to be flooded with these things.
However I can't track down anyone selling any.
Does anyone know any suppliers, I'd love a full size UK machine, but have no room!
Player three it's YOU!
#7
Posted 27 July 2008 - 10:33 AM
SINBAD ADVENTURE FRUIT MACHINE on eBay, also Fruit Machines, Fruit Machines, Coin-Operated, Video Games (end time 29-Jul-08 22:29:49 BST)Hello,
Sorry to bring up an old thread, but ebay used to be flooded with these things.
However I can't track down anyone selling any.
Does anyone know any suppliers, I'd love a full size UK machine, but have no room!
quite a few on ebay mate a laura croft one for £150. on the first page(not this one of course )
#8
Posted 27 July 2008 - 03:44 PM
I have had a street fighter 2 one for about a year now, and its still fun to play. Can be annoying if you put the percentage really low though as it really eats the tokens.
#9
Posted 29 March 2009 - 11:04 PM
Hi everyone,
Anyone know where I can find out some info about this...
Thanks
Anyone know where I can find out some info about this...
Thanks
#10
Posted 29 March 2009 - 11:15 PM
Try this file for help
http://www.stealthho...odeo-newigt.pdf
I see you've got E6 in the credit display, is that the error you are having problems with? Did it occur at say the end of a bonus round, or after a large payout? If so, you probably just need to do a soft reset - this is normally either done by turning your door key in the opposite direction, OR by using a reset button inside the machine. A soft reset retains the machine memory of how much has gone in/out, it's just a way of clearing an error. Depending on your machine and/or settings, you might need to reset after every bonus round. I imagine it's an anti-fraud method.
Check the above manual for more help
http://www.stealthho...odeo-newigt.pdf
I see you've got E6 in the credit display, is that the error you are having problems with? Did it occur at say the end of a bonus round, or after a large payout? If so, you probably just need to do a soft reset - this is normally either done by turning your door key in the opposite direction, OR by using a reset button inside the machine. A soft reset retains the machine memory of how much has gone in/out, it's just a way of clearing an error. Depending on your machine and/or settings, you might need to reset after every bonus round. I imagine it's an anti-fraud method.
Check the above manual for more help
#11
Posted 30 March 2009 - 12:17 AM
Have had an Alladin II pachi, great fun. Just in case you dont know it, there is a site devoted to these, http://www.pachitalk.com/
No I am NOT affiliated in any way, just found that site useful for moddin/reset issues
No I am NOT affiliated in any way, just found that site useful for moddin/reset issues
#12
Posted 30 March 2009 - 08:12 AM
Thank you ever so much for the help.
Truthfully I am an eBay trading assistant and the machine is an item that a client wants to sell. He knows nothing about it and I knew less!
It is a fascinating machine and I can understand the interest in them. I'll do some research for him using the sites you've given me and I'll pass on the info about resetting with the key.
I actually like the machine myself and was wondering what I could do with it until I read the post about the summerhouse - awesome idea.
I expect the client will sell it at some point but he only wanted some info about it for the time being.
Is there anywhere other than eBay I could get a rough idea of value? Please.
Thanks so much much for your help.
Truthfully I am an eBay trading assistant and the machine is an item that a client wants to sell. He knows nothing about it and I knew less!
It is a fascinating machine and I can understand the interest in them. I'll do some research for him using the sites you've given me and I'll pass on the info about resetting with the key.
I actually like the machine myself and was wondering what I could do with it until I read the post about the summerhouse - awesome idea.
I expect the client will sell it at some point but he only wanted some info about it for the time being.
Is there anywhere other than eBay I could get a rough idea of value? Please.
Thanks so much much for your help.
#13
Posted 30 March 2009 - 12:13 PM
Have had an Alladin II pachi, great fun. Just in case you dont know it, there is a site devoted to these, http://www.pachitalk.com/
No I am NOT affiliated in any way, just found that site useful for moddin/reset issues
For all those who can't afford the machine or do not have the space......You can get this one on your Nintendo DS as well:)
You're right as well it is great fun, probably my most played DS game! Have had a good 3000 plus run off it but also 1700 plus spin suck on NORMAL mode only lol
As well as that I have BATTLE BONUS machine also by Sammy and Rio de Carnival...Which won't get off paying! SHame really as I do want some normal play from it lol
This is a site for EMULATION purposes of older machines. Not playing strategies.
If you are more interested in playing modern machines,
visit Jackpottyforums
(DOND is around now on this site..... How long was this sig out of date...!)
#14
Posted 30 March 2009 - 06:44 PM
Yeah there not bad machines i have had 2 of them they were King Pulser & Popeye with the lcd screen. But got board with them in a few months & swaped them both for Physco Cash Beast, after all i would say i like the uk machines better!!
#15
Posted 30 March 2009 - 11:06 PM
Im thinking to buy a Japanese gaming machine Ultraman Club ST it looks good and im able to buy it for £100 with £30 shipping from England,im new to this type of game and thinking that some of you guys could either convince me to buy or not to buy ?.The machine has been exported to the uk and will be fully tested and cleaned plus a 1 year warranty.Let me know what you think and how long it will take before i get fed up with it,thanks.
#16
Posted 01 April 2009 - 04:44 PM
Thanks for the info. The owner now intends keeping it as he's fallen in love with it! He doesn't have the key or any tokens - would anyone know where I could get either? Thanks
#17
Posted 01 April 2009 - 04:46 PM
Thanks for the info. The owner now intends keeping it as he's fallen in love with it! He doesn't have the key or any tokens - would anyone know where I could get either? Thanks
yup from these
http://www.pachitalk.com/
#18
Posted 01 April 2009 - 06:41 PM
I decided to spoil myself with my first pachislo machine i could have bought a cheaper model but why would i want to do that? i would have ended up buying a delux model at some point.If anyone has this machine and can give me any hints or tips that would be great,here is a preview on youtube http://http://uk.you...h?v=eHj9Njw6LlY
ps where can i buy some more coins for the machine?
ps where can i buy some more coins for the machine?
Edited by SMAAAARTY, 01 April 2009 - 07:01 PM.
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#19
Posted 01 April 2009 - 06:45 PM
I decided to spoil myself with my first pachislo machine i could have bought a cheaper model but why would i want to do that? i would have ended up buying a delux model at some point.If anyone has this machine and can give me any hints or tips that would be great,here is a preview on youtube http://http://uk.you...h?v=eHj9Njw6LlY
SMAAAARTY the link is dead m8
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