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[schnook]

so we have leaked mpu5 ans scorp all we need now is the software for s16. elvis and others i presume run off harddrives or dvdroms with software based
due to the heavy amount of video they use. i may be wrong.
so how hard is it to get these things emulated. i have seen the agemame for older video based fruitys what about these beasts....

[ady]

I look forward to your programming

[CrAzYbAr]

Probably near imposssible IMHO, I dont think we can program or emulate a RNG(random number generator) for a while.

[renoufchr]

i think it will be a v long time before we see that emulation

epoch will be before that and i expect a long wait for that to

[nails]

how we all said together that mpu5 wasnt out, how we all gasped as we found out mpu5/scorpion4 had been out for years...

i would have thought the easiest part was the RNG. you mean to tell me your AMD/Pentium isnt capable of generating a random number??

[Dr DX]

CB's computer sure isint

you hit the "nail" on the head there nails i was going to write a simular reply apart from the part that i diddnt know it had been out for years :s

[ady]

how we all said together that mpu5 wasnt out, how we all gasped as we found out mpu5/scorpion4 had been out for years...

i would have thought the easiest part was the RNG. you mean to tell me your AMD/Pentium isnt capable of generating a random number??

I totally agree Nails on the RNG comment.

[raversnature]

Hi. this may or may not be helpful as regards emulating s16 machines.
i work as an area technician in the uk maintaining and programming these and other high tech amusement and casino equipment.
Astra games ( Novamatic group of companies ) make Party games Slotto/ Little devils slotto Reel King and others. Astra uses the I.O.3 integrated MPU connected to a fairly standard PC in a custom case. it uses Windows XP-Embedded as the operating system with 1GB of DDR mem and 40GB HDD of which only about 20GB is used. comms is by means of standard serial for the game and CCTALK for the acceptors. security of the software is by means of the F.P.G.A. chip mounted on the I.O.3 MPU. which protects the ACP Roms on the MPU. the R.N.G. unit would be quite easy to emulate as it is not protected by any form of security as far as im aware.

Barcrest S16 units:- Elvis,Elvis top20,Rainbow Riches,Lucky Strike. and others mounted in the advanced Rio cabinets under the MPU-5.
These work as follows:- the PC is again fairly standard, O.S. is Windows XP-Embedded ( XPE ) 40GB HDD,1GB DDR Mem comms is by means of USB to Serial from the R.N.G. USB to the touchscreen and Serial SPi for the note and coin acceptors the PC does not have any direct security as such but has a flash programmed MPU-5 program card which is secured pretty good. there is usb comms between this which controls crediting, meters and other auditing functions. the R.N.G. unit is also quite a simple affair which delivers a random number to the machine when request signal is sent to it. Hope this helps, to explain fully how the operation of the units work is beyond the space that would be allowed for replies on this forum. I have a full Backup of Elvis if someone could tell me how to upload it ( Ghost image 2.5GB ). Good forum keep up the good work.!!!!

[Nudgeman]

I believe the RNG bit will be quite tricky. Albeit the generation could be performed by a simple scientific calculator, however there is a problem. The program looks for a dongle which authorises the random number. This stops a clever crook with electric modulation copy hardware from 'generating' a pseudo RNG using a bit of home made wiring made earlier. Getting around a dongle will be a hard part of this emulation, generation of 'authentic' numbers will be supremely tricky, although I've no doubt there are people on here in the know.

Some games such as Barcrest's Elvis run on PCs + dongle protection whilst other games such as CMS (Thomas Estates) Haunted House have their own dedicated in house hardware. Albeit modified hardware recycled from existing builds, understanding this dedicated hardware and translating it to PC is a mammoth task in itself.

Whilst I wasn't overly surprised that an MPU5/Scorp4 surfaced, I would be immensely surprised to see any type of s16 emulator within the next two years WITH THE EXCEPTION of some of REFLEX GAMING'S stuff, namely VEGAS 500/FORTUNE 500 and a couple of others.

That said I wonder if someone out there is now playing Slotto on their PC reading this with a smug grin on their face. If they are...a big shout to them. HI!

I estimate those Reflex Games will be here in two-three years time and not long after ELVIS will follow + Rainbow Riches, Max, Grail, Cash, Grand Cash etc. Then Slotto.

Depending who we have on here and how well linked to Thomas Estates they are we could see 8 Liner, Samurai, Haunted House and other CMS/Deith etc, but before then expect Gamesoft, Project and Concept to appear.

[ady]

Hi. this may or may not be helpful as regards emulating s16 machines.
i work as an area technician in the uk maintaining and programming these and --------Etc Omitted---------- on this forum. I have a full Backup of Elvis if someone could tell me how to upload it ( Ghost image 2.5GB ). Good forum keep up the good work.!!!!

Fantastic First post raversnature....

Welcome to Fruit-Emu.....

Thanks

ady

[Dr DX]

very intresring post indeed, had no idea they used pc parts, the backup cannot be hosted here (once i get my server up ill give you a shout) enjoy your stay here just like i do mate and take part in the forum!

Dr

[ady]

very intresring post indeed, had no idea they used pc parts, the backup cannot be hosted here (once i get my server up ill give you a shout) enjoy your stay here just like i do mate and take part in the forum!

Dr

Bri thats all it is mate..........check it out on booting next time you get a chance, the back-up could but I doubt Duplu would appriciate it!...nor raversnature uploading lol

[nails]

Hi. this may or may not be helpful as regards emulating s16 machines.
i work as an area technician in the uk maintaining and programming these and other high tech amusement and casino equipment.
Astra games ( Novamatic group of companies ) make Party games Slotto/ Little devils slotto Reel King and others. Astra uses the I.O.3 integrated MPU connected to a fairly standard PC in a custom case. it uses Windows XP-Embedded as the operating system with 1GB of DDR mem and 40GB HDD of which only about 20GB is used. comms is by means of standard serial for the game and CCTALK for the acceptors. security of the software is by means of the F.P.G.A. chip mounted on the I.O.3 MPU. which protects the ACP Roms on the MPU. the R.N.G. unit would be quite easy to emulate as it is not protected by any form of security as far as im aware.

Barcrest S16 units:- Elvis,Elvis top20,Rainbow Riches,Lucky Strike. and others mounted in the advanced Rio cabinets under the MPU-5.
These work as follows:- the PC is again fairly standard, O.S. is Windows XP-Embedded ( XPE ) 40GB HDD,1GB DDR Mem comms is by means of USB to Serial from the R.N.G. USB to the touchscreen and Serial SPi for the note and coin acceptors the PC does not have any direct security as such but has a flash programmed MPU-5 program card which is secured pretty good. there is usb comms between this which controls crediting, meters and other auditing functions. the R.N.G. unit is also quite a simple affair which delivers a random number to the machine when request signal is sent to it. Hope this helps, to explain fully how the operation of the units work is beyond the space that would be allowed for replies on this forum. I have a full Backup of Elvis if someone could tell me how to upload it ( Ghost image 2.5GB ). Good forum keep up the good work.!!!!

i`d post it, if i was you!

[schnook]

Wow , definitely a nice first post and a backup of elvis. i am sure your inbox is well full.
regarding these yes i knew they were pc based. i actually acquired some good info from a guy in skegness butlins from an Elvis machine last august when they got rechipped due to an exploit. showed me around the machine, the 3 seater with video board 3 records bonus wheel version. said he could see em being emulated easier than mpu5. when asked why he wouldnt comment. so whether it was just a flippant comment or he has one. who knows..

[TheMission]

I should point out that they aren't all PC based, and some manus are starting to reverse the trend and use newer embedded techs in their machines for one simple reason - PC based systems have some real shortcomings - one is called Windows

[stevedude2]

Plus the royalty you have to pay Microsoft for every Windows-based machine sold

That's why Astra have moved over to Cool Fire 2 on a lot of their stuff.

[f1fan]

I seen inside one once and noticed its got flashmemory inside, think it was the coronation street s16 machine i was surprised when i seen when it was open as engineer was doing something inside it as i was walking past.

Wonder what the Flashmemory for ?

[raversnature]

the flash memory is a 128MB CF card that contains the machines game software running on 2 HEBER video controllers some versions operated on PLUTO 6 MPU's

[niallquinn]

Hi. this may or may not be helpful as regards emulating s16 machines.
i work as an area technician in the uk maintaining and programming these and other high tech amusement and casino equipment.
Astra games ( Novamatic group of companies ) make Party games Slotto/ Little devils slotto Reel King and others. Astra uses the I.O.3 integrated MPU connected to a fairly standard PC in a custom case. it uses Windows XP-Embedded as the operating system with 1GB of DDR mem and 40GB HDD of which only about 20GB is used. comms is by means of standard serial for the game and CCTALK for the acceptors. security of the software is by means of the F.P.G.A. chip mounted on the I.O.3 MPU. which protects the ACP Roms on the MPU. the R.N.G. unit would be quite easy to emulate as it is not protected by any form of security as far as im aware.

Barcrest S16 units:- Elvis,Elvis top20,Rainbow Riches,Lucky Strike. and others mounted in the advanced Rio cabinets under the MPU-5.
These work as follows:- the PC is again fairly standard, O.S. is Windows XP-Embedded ( XPE ) 40GB HDD,1GB DDR Mem comms is by means of USB to Serial from the R.N.G. USB to the touchscreen and Serial SPi for the note and coin acceptors the PC does not have any direct security as such but has a flash programmed MPU-5 program card which is secured pretty good. there is usb comms between this which controls crediting, meters and other auditing functions. the R.N.G. unit is also quite a simple affair which delivers a random number to the machine when request signal is sent to it. Hope this helps, to explain fully how the operation of the units work is beyond the space that would be allowed for replies on this forum. I have a full Backup of Elvis if someone could tell me how to upload it ( Ghost image 2.5GB ). Good forum keep up the good work.!!!!

Upload it to ABEM or ABEFM or rar it into smaller parts, ie 100meg each and upload to rapidshare or varient, and post the links.

[Guitar]

Alternatively you could put it up on bit-torrent and upload the hash file to this site. If you need to know how I'd be glad to tell you plus this way you only have to upload it once and the file should stick around a while rather than being deleted. And it wont be in 26 little bits. Plus the more people who have the file means quicker downloads for the others.

Of course if you already know what bit-torrent is and what its for I'll shut up now.