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[jamesb99_1999]

Ok just wanted to thank everyone who has help me with this project so far.

As for progress, I've managed to add sound and also squashed a small bug where the wild symbols were not paying right.

Appearance wise nothing has changed so there is little point in putting up another screen shot yet.

However I am expecting more material soon which I hope will make the game look much nicer.

As I mentioned before, it already plays quite well but these things never play quite the same as the real game so I am experimenting with different playing profiles to see which seems most accurate. I suspect the real game adapts its profile depending on whether it wants to pay out of not by for example making 7's more likely to be picked or throwing out more cherries - I'll experiment with the same thing & see if that plays any better.

Already thinking about what to do afterwards & got a couple of games in mind but will let you know when this one is closer to completion.

From what I can gather these machines don't use random numbers to generate each symbol, they have a win table of £ values of for example 10000 values. with only 1 of those being jackpot, 100 being £100, 200 being £50, 300 being £20 etc.. and 8000 being no win. If they didn't have this type of scenerio builder there would be many more jackpots -1 symbol etc. than there are.. It's a pain in the arse to build this sort of profile, but it's the only sort that seems like the real machines as I tried to go through the 100% random symbol route and on most S16 this just plays unlike the real machines.

Hope this helps.

rgds J

[gavt1976]

it is a easier machine to win money on because before i played it this old lady put £2,000 in and won nothing, so i put in £100 and i took out £1,500 out of the machine

[lincs1]

it is a easier machine to win money on because before i played it this old lady put £2,000 in and won nothing, so i put in £100 and i took out £1,500 out of the machine

did u see this old lady put £2000 in? this must be her life savings

[gavt1976]

yes i did see her put the money in

[TheMission]

it is a easier machine to win money on because before i played it this old lady put £2,000 in and won nothing, so i put in £100 and i took out £1,500 out of the machine

So I take it you're saying it was 2 grand 'up' and therefore 'ready to pay'. That, quite frankly, is bollocks.

BTW James, Slotto does generate each symbol individually I believe, as do my S16s.

[gavt1976]

if a machine can pay out a lot of money then so be it, at lease i had the luck of playing it, but everytime i go into a casino i always come out of there up and i dont lose, if you win, you win and if you lose then you lose, then go and play on something else.

[fruitman69]

So I take it you're saying it was 2 grand 'up' and therefore 'ready to pay'. That, quite frankly, is bollocks.

BTW James, Slotto does generate each symbol individually I believe, as do my S16s.

The Megaslot i did also picks the symbols randomly and not a set "win" it is all a matter of working out the right amount of each symbol per "reel"



Steve

PS if we knew the exact chance / or amount of each symbol of each on these games they would be easy to get to play the same

[gavt1976]

i have got to say mate that megaslot sim is a great game with great graphics

[niallquinn]

i have played the game for real today and i put in £100 and walked away with £1,500 so i am glad that you are doing the game

No you didn't, I saw you in The Unicorn Hotel, then the Hornblower, and then The Black Swan.

[gavt1976]

you dont know me, because i have never been in them pubs ok

[niallquinn]

Also there's no arcade in Ripon. Where's the arcade you won the 1.5k? Harrogate, York, Leeds? ... Sharow? Pateley Bridge?

[gavt1976]

i have won in leeds

[jamesb99_1999]

=BTW James, Slotto does generate each symbol individually I believe, as do my S16s.

I'd bet everything I have on this not being the case - otherwise you could never control certain of the percentages, and there are combinations that come up repetitively (whereas other combinations for example 00000,00040,00000 that will never come up, seriously when you have played them as much as me that should be come obvious).. I have followed the engineers comments in the threads and they seem to agree with the random profile theory.

What does anybody else think?

[Hairybum]

hi i see people play these s16 machines all day some put £1000s in get naff all some very little and win a jackpot regulars players say they are not as random as they make out i dont what i think anyway soon be gone on to b3 machines crappy bingo 50p £500 or maybe £1 a go then just sit back and wait for some one to feed it then u will get a jackpot just like club machines.

also can you tell me what i need to run these sims on my pc keeps coming up

"class not registered you need the following to be installed on your machine
MSSTDFMT.DLL"

a i have not got a clue none off them run rainbow/casino/mega cash thanks.

[gavt1976]

Hairybum asked jamesb99_1999 he will tell you what to do mate

[fruitman69]

I'd bet everything I have on this not being the case - otherwise you could never control certain of the percentages, and there are combinations that come up repetitively (whereas other combinations for example 00000,00040,00000 that will never come up, seriously when you have played them as much as me that should be come obvious).. I have followed the engineers comments in the threads and they seem to agree with the random profile theory.

What does anybody else think?

James as far as i know Slotto picks a random number and if its not a JP it picks the 15 random symbols each time and of course you can still control the % overall if the overall math has been done correctly.....


Steve

[Daza5056]

But ain't it funny that when it doesn't chuck in a win the amount of 7s it throws in on reels 3, 4 & 5

These are there just to "tease" you into having another go by thinking 'if only I got a 7 on reels 1 & 2'

I would imagine that each win has a set number of profiles and that the RNG throws in a number to correspond to a win or lose and then the machine pick a random profile to show that win/lose.

RANDOM can mean many things -- The machine can still work on a percentage if the random means that the RNG picks a number and determines if you win or lose and then the machine picks a RANDOM amount between £1 and £500 to give you OR vice versa, the machine decides wether it wants to let you win or lose and the RNG decides on the amount of win you get - hence lowering the percentage by the given amount.

[TheMission]

I'd bet everything I have on this not being the case - otherwise you could never control certain of the percentages, and there are combinations that come up repetitively (whereas other combinations for example 00000,00040,00000 that will never come up, seriously when you have played them as much as me that should be come obvious).. I have followed the engineers comments in the threads and they seem to agree with the random profile theory.

What does anybody else think?

Then you've just lost everything James, and in the process demonstrated your fundamental lack of understanding of random games. When you say 'engineers', do you include anybody who actually writes S16 (or any games for that matter) software for the real world? I write S16 games for a living - and I can categorically state right now that you are wrong.

fruitman69 has it spot on...

[nails]

im sure i read the math part somewherebefore, it went something like this -

jackpot 7`s 0.0001 % (of rolling in)
bars (for example) 0.005
k`s 0.010
q`s 0.015

etc etc

so when all the math was added up, you could say, based on probabiltiy over XXXXX thousand plays, you could achieve XYZ = 94.14%

can anybody elaborate on this, im sure im right.